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Palestinaisn being slaughtered and a prick with a cowboy hat is on frint page

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    greenflash wrote: »
    Hamas fire their (admittedly sh1t) rockets from schools, hospitals and residential apartment blocks, knowing that Israel will track the launch sites and return fire. Rather than protecting their fellow Palestinians or evacuating the areas, Hamas wait for the Israeli strikes with cameras at the ready, so they can put pictures of dying babies on the internet as soon as possible. ..............

    Taking the full Israeli line there.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,608 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    dj jarvis wrote: »
    come on Makikomi - send in the blue berets between Hamass and the IDF and you have south Lebanon circa 1980 all over again - not sure the Irish have the stomach for burying their boys , just so the IDF and Israeli backed groups can use the Irish as target practice

    becasue , we all know , it will be the Irish put in the most dangerous positions

    Well we were a target for all sides, both Israeli, Christian and Muslim.

    Speaking of which, you do know who the longest held kidnap victim in Lebanon is... You probably don't, its an Irish lad ~ kidnapped by a Palestinian faction.

    But disregarding him, because I know he will be. You haven't given me an answer, but I suspect I've provided you with one ~ why hasn't there been louder calls for a UN protection force on the Gaza/Israel/Egyptian border?.

    Yes, I suspect its an Israeli mistrust of the UN but in equal measure I suspect its a mistrust of Hamas who are afraid of a UN probe into their activities, although that could be negociated out of a UN mandate to allow Hamas free reign over its subjects.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭dj jarvis


    Well we were a target for all sides, both Israeli, Christian and Muslim.

    Speaking of which, you do know who the longest held kidnap victim in Lebanon is... You probably don't, its an Irish lad ~ kidnapped by a Palestinian faction.

    But disregarding him, because I know he will be. You haven't given me an answer, but I suspect I've provided you with one ~ why hasn't there been louder calls for a UN protection force on the Gaza/Israel/Egyptian border?.

    Yes, I suspect its an Israeli mistrust of the UN but in equal measure I suspect its a mistrust of Hamas who are afraid of a UN probe into their activities, although that could be negociated out of a UN mandate to allow Hamas free reign over its subjects.

    you are dead right , i did not know of this story ,any links?
    and as for giving you an answer ? you never asked me a question , i asked your opinion.

    but i would be correct in inferring that Israeli backed militia and IDF in south Lebanon killed more Irish UN troops than any other affiliated side.
    i have heard this mentioned by past members of the PDF who were stationed in camp shamrock , not excluding the PLO and as you said , the kidnapping


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,219 ✭✭✭✭biko


    dj jarvis wrote: »
    can you put up a MOD approved list of conflicts that fit into your narrow view
    I don't speak for the Ministry Of Defence.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭dj jarvis


    biko wrote: »
    I don't speak for the Ministry Of Defence.

    ah - humor - appropriate response insinuated

    end of communication


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 285 ✭✭Jim Rockford


    davmol wrote: »
    So,the isralies had some of their citizens murdered and as usual have to kill 10-20 palestinians for every 1 israelie they lost.Scores of innocents will be murdered including a few littel girls already killed and Garth brooks gets teh headline of each newspaper.

    what kind of world is this that a plonker who sings sh1t songs can get the headlines while innocent people are murdered by the Israeli war machine?!1:mad:

    Sure move to Gaza and enjoy your doom porn and killings there


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,608 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    dj jarvis wrote: »
    you are dead right , i did not know of this story ,any links?
    and as for giving you an answer ? you never asked me a question , i asked your opinion.

    but i would be correct in inferring that Israeli backed militia and IDF in south Lebanon killed more Irish UN troops than any other affiliated side.
    i have heard this mentioned by past members of the PDF who were stationed in camp shamrock , not excluding the PLO and as you said , the kidnapping

    First off I've been out for the world cup final tonight and have had a few beers so excuse any random'ness.

    As for the IDF/DFF killing more or less than other warring factions, I'm really not sure and I don't want to start keeping a tally of scores. Needless to say there was more than the Irish battalion there and all contingents lost troops to all sides of the conflict so knowing who killed more or less would be very hard for me to say, but at a guess I'd say it was equal measure, we were a target for all sides and a shelter for some.

    Oh the kidnapped soldier, his name is Private Kevin Joyce (18) from the Arran Islands
    A breakthrough has finally been achieved in a 20-year investigation into the disappearance of an Irish soldier in Lebanon.

    Kevin Joyce has been 'missing presumed dead' since April 1981 - the United Nations' only missing-in-action 'blue beret'.

    The Inisheer-born private was kidnapped from his UN observation post in south Lebanon by a Palestinian faction a year before the Israelis invaded the region.

    Until now, those behind the abduction and suspected murder of the soldier, who was 19 at the time, have refused to admit responsibility.

    However, a spokesman for the Irish Defence Forces has confirmed that talks are under way aimed at finding Joyce's remains.

    The Irish battalion of Unifil has only seven months left to find the missing soldier's remains - the unit finally pulls out of Lebanon in November.

    'Negotiations are still going on,' he said. 'There has been contact with a number of groups. The Irish battalion are dealing with this.'

    The battalion is working with the Maronite Bishop of Tyre and the Lebanese Minister for Missing and Displaced Persons, Senator Mirwan Hamadi.

    It is understood that Palestinians from refugee camps in south Lebanon have agreed to discuss the whereabouts of Joyce's remains - the first time anyone has admitted knowledge about the missing soldier.

    John Laffery, president of the army's union, PDFORRA, travelled to south Lebanon with Joyce's family last week to oversee the investigation into his disappearance.

    'This is a festering sore for the Defence Forces,' he said. 'Every soldier that has served in Lebanon over the past 21 years owes to Kevin Joyce that we do everything to find him. Talks are under way and we hope his remains can be found before the Irish battalion pulls out in November.

    'All the Joyce family want is to take Kevin's remains back to Ireland so he can be given a Christian burial on Inisheer.'

    Joyce's comrade, Hugh Doherty, was shot dead during the raid on their post near the village of Dyar Ntar on 27 April 1981. Pte Doherty, who had just turned 20, was shot three times in the back. Joyce meanwhile, according to UN intelligence reports, was taken to a Palestinian refugee camp in Tyre.

    He was shot dead a few weeks later following a gun battle between Palestinians and UN soldiers in south Lebanon. The shoot-out at Deir Amis between the Palestinians and Fijian blue berets sealed Joyce's fate. The young Irish solder was killed in retaliation for the deaths of several Palestinian militiamen.

    Further investigations by Irish UN officers over the following 12 months established that a Lebanese man working for a Palestinian faction, Abu Amin Dayk, led the gang that killed Doherty and seized Joyce.

    Dayk himself was executed in May 1984 by the Shia Muslim Amal militia for alleged crimes against local Lebanese. He was publicly hanged near the village of Marrakeh.

    One Irish officer who tried to track Joyce down actually met Dayk shortly before Amal arrested him.

    'Dayk was in his mid-thirties. He was of slight build. He had black hair and spoke in a very deep monosyllabic tone,' the former officer said. 'I remember during that meeting he appeared to be very nervous. You could tell that he was aware that his enemies were closing in.

    'It was weird being in the same room as the man we suspected had been behind the Dyar Ntar attack. He was very uneasy during the meeting. He kept looking out the window. When people like Dayk sought a meeting with Unifil you could be sure their power was waning.'

    Over the years Irish investigators were fed various red herrings about Joyce's disappearance , including that he was killed in an Israeli air raid on the Ein Hilweh refugee camp during the 1982 invasion and that he had defected to the Palestinian side and started fighting with the guerrillas.

    13 years on and his body still hasn't been given up.. But regardless of all that I really don't (and won't) get into a 'tit for tat' blame game and scoring points.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,309 ✭✭✭✭Sam Kade


    Poor old Garth gets the blame for everything these days. He was even used as a decoy in a Dubs v rest of the country today.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,219 ✭✭✭✭biko


    If you have an iphone you can install this app Red Alert : Israel
    It will sound every time a rocket is fired at Israel.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭dj jarvis


    biko wrote: »
    If you have an iphone you can install this app Red Alert : Israel
    It will sound every time a rocket is fired at Israel.

    no point having one for the Palestinians - it would be going off all the time.
    this has kind of backfired for you - excuse the pun


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭Arthur Beesley


    Shows how much we care about the Palestinaisn.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    Shows how much we care about the Palestinaisn.

    People don't. If they did they would be protesting against Hamas. Instead Israel is an easy target.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 285 ✭✭Jim Rockford


    Palestinians are killing Israelis and Israelis are killing Palestinians and so Palestinians are killing Israelis and Israelis are killing Palestinians.
    It's been that way since the 40's at least.

    When people were being slaughtered in NI the Dublin news seldom reported it, they were more interested in moving statues and Fr Ted, and the war in Beirut. The more things change the more they stay the same.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,764 ✭✭✭mickstupp


    mad muffin wrote: »
    People don't. If they did they would be protesting against Hamas. Instead Israel is an easy target.
    Yeah, it's totally mad that they'd pick on Israel. After all, bombing the **** out of the place, targeting homes and families and murdering innocent people, that's not actually a problem is it. It's totally acceptable! Justifiable even. It's probably for their own good. The Israelis have to pull those triggers, no doubt about it. Because what's the alternative? Diplomacy? Peaceful negotiation? Nah. Impossible. That's not a real choice. Therefore, air strikes.

    Anyway the Palestinians aren't really innocents, are they? They're squatters, sitting in Israeli homes on Israeli land... they just don't know it yet. They haven't seen the bulldozers in that particular area, the ones that let them know they shouldn't be living where they've been living for generations. The Israelis will help them clear out once they've levelled the place. They're good that way.

    Best way to limit casualties is to murder innocents. Pull that trigger. Make that choice to fire instead of not firing. You wanna make a new-Israel-shaped omelette, you gotta break some eggs with air strikes and tanks.

    Hamas doesn't care about the lives of innocent civilians, that much I do agree with, because it's perfectly clear that Israel has no hesitation in murdering a child if they're being held in front of an enemy. Human shields mean nothing to Israel. Hamas knows that, and they know it provokes international condemnation when Israel does things like this. But that in no way excuses or justifies Israel's actions. They're choosing to aim at the bad guys and pull the trigger, doesn't matter what's in the way, because once an innocent person is used as a human shield, they stop being people in the eyes of the Israelis. They're just a number, collateral damage, and thus sad (not really) but unavoidable (not really).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭Lone Stone


    [URL="BREAKING NEWS
    Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas asks UN to put ‘Palestine under international protection’"]BREAKING NEWS
    Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas asks UN to put ‘Palestine under international protection’[/URL]


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,055 ✭✭✭Red Nissan




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 546 ✭✭✭Azwaldo55


    davmol wrote: »
    My reference was to the inncoent deaths of many young palestinian children due to Israeli 'Surgical strikes' on one of the most densely populated areas of the world.Lots of collateral damage.

    Almost a hundred dead and hundreds injured,the tollwill rise further before the Israelis are finsihed.

    at the last count there were NO Israeli fatalities

    Hamas deliberately fire from Palestinian residential areas, schools and hospitals and store their rockets in civilian homes and use civilians as human shields.

    They deliberately fire their rockets at Israeli civilians.
    I ask you what are Israel supposed to do?
    Allow these Islamic extremists impunity?

    Hamas have the same Islamic supremacist ideology as ISIS, Al-Qaeda, Boko Haram, the Talibans and many more branches of the worldwide network of Islamic extremist political and terrorist organizations.

    The ideology of these Muslim fanatics is death to Jews, death to the West and the creation of a global Islamic caliphate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 546 ✭✭✭Azwaldo55


    Lone Stone wrote: »
    [URL="BREAKING NEWS
    Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas asks UN to put ‘Palestine under international protection’"]BREAKING NEWS
    Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas asks UN to put ‘Palestine under international protection’[/URL]

    And what happens when UN forces are attacked with IEDs and UN soldiers are kidnapped and beheaded on youtube?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,373 ✭✭✭✭foggy_lad


    davmol wrote: »
    So,the isralies had some of their citizens murdered and as usual have to kill 10-20 palestinians for every 1 israelie they lost.Scores of innocents will be murdered including a few littel girls already killed and Garth brooks gets teh headline of each newspaper.

    what kind of world is this that a plonker who sings sh1t songs can get the headlines while innocent people are murdered by the Israeli war machine?!1:mad:
    Leave the music out of it because frankly Garth Brooks does it better than any of the Israeli or Palestinian music which is often played loudly on public transport.

    Palestinian music: http://youtu.be/EcAc3khlkRk


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,234 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Azwaldo55 wrote: »
    Hamas deliberately fire from Palestinian residential areas, schools and hospitals and store their rockets in civilian homes and use civilians as human shields.

    They deliberately fire their rockets at Israeli civilians.
    I ask you what are Israel supposed to do?
    Allow these Islamic extremists impunity?

    Hamas have the same Islamic supremacist ideology as ISIS, Al-Qaeda, Boko Haram, the Talibans and many more branches of the worldwide network of Islamic extremist political and terrorist organizations.

    The ideology of these Muslim fanatics is death to Jews, death to the West and the creation of a global Islamic caliphate.

    And the more women and children Israel splatter across the pavement with their reckless missile strikes, the more people will be pushed to join the extremists.

    Extreme violence begets extreme violence.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 546 ✭✭✭Azwaldo55


    Akrasia wrote: »
    And the more women and children Israel splatter across the pavement with their reckless missile strikes, the more people will be pushed to join the extremists.

    Extreme violence begets extreme violence.

    Hamas are putting their own people in harm's way by firing their rockets indiscriminately at Israelis with the intention of drawing down Israeli fire.

    Israel have to hit the rockets, the rocket launchers and take out the terrorists to protect their own people.

    Hamas are hiding among the Palestinians and when innocent women and children are killed - precisely what Hamas want - they get idiots to start screaming about so-called Israeli war crimes.

    Israel should push on and finish Hamas off once and for all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    Azwaldo55 wrote: »
    Hamas are hiding among the Palestinians and when innocent women and children are killed - precisely what Hamas want - they get idiots to start screaming about so-called Israeli war crimes.

    Israel is not just striking where rockets are being launched from, there striking Hamas in general, including for example the Gaza police chiefs home. So firstly to say that Israel is only reacting to rocket attacks is a lie. Also, would it be ok for Hamas to attack an Israeli home if say a member of the IDF lived there? Even if his family was there as well? I am sure if it was the other way around it would be called terrorism.

    They are also targeting just like last time, the civilian infrastructure, on the basis that Hamas runs it (which they would be, being the defacto government) as well.

    Also, the current conflict was one of choice from Netanyahu:
    How Politics and Lies Triggered an Unintended War in Gaza

    He knew Hamas was not responsible, but decided to escalate the violence for his own political purposes. Instead of arresting the suspects involved, he decided to have a go at Hamas, knowing full well his reasons were entirely fictional. The current conflict is one started by the Israeli government solely for there own political purpose, and I have no doubt supporters of Israel will ignore this fact as the always do.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    what exactly are you on about here? there is a difference between wanting a state who murders civilians to be held accountable for its crimes and dislike of a religion, do you believe those who criticise israel are anti-jewish?

    I'd be interested in hearing an answer to that, myself.

    It's funny, all the years I've criticised Mugabe and Zanu PF; nobody's ever called me anti-Zimbabwean.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,630 ✭✭✭folan


    old hippy wrote: »
    I'd be interested in hearing an answer to that, myself.

    It's funny, all the years I've criticised Mugabe and Zanu PF; nobody's ever called me anti-Zimbabwean.

    anti-Zimbabwean.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    Azwaldo55 wrote: »
    Hamas deliberately fire from Palestinian residential areas, schools and hospitals and store their rockets in civilian homes and use civilians as human shields.

    They deliberately fire their rockets at Israeli civilians.
    I ask you what are Israel supposed to do?
    Allow these Islamic extremists impunity?

    Hamas have the same Islamic supremacist ideology as ISIS, Al-Qaeda, Boko Haram, the Talibans and many more branches of the worldwide network of Islamic extremist political and terrorist organizations.

    The ideology of these Muslim fanatics is death to Jews, death to the West and the creation of a global Islamic caliphate
    .

    Hamas were democratically elected, weren't they? You can't compare them to the outfits you mentioned above. Unless you see all Muslims as one big homogenous blob.
    Azwaldo55 wrote: »
    And what happens when UN forces are attacked with IEDs and UN soldiers are kidnapped and beheaded on youtube?

    Hmm. When did Hamas last behead someone on youtube?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭The_Captain


    Azwaldo55 wrote: »
    I ask you what are Israel supposed to do?

    Not murder civilians would be a good start


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,410 ✭✭✭old_aussie


    Red Nissan wrote: »
    We'll lose some Blue Berets if that happens.

    Yeah, they'll soon turn on their protectors.....middle east track record.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭I Heart Internet


    Lone Stone wrote: »

    Abbas has the welfare of his fellow Palestinians and neighbours in Israel at heart.

    His request won't be welcomed by Israel - or, of course, Hamas.

    Hamas would only accept UN protection if it also allowed them to launch rockets at the same time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    Hamas would only accept UN protection if it also allowed them to launch rockets at the same time.

    Hamas, stuck to the ceasefire, until Netanyahu started arresting there people in the West Bank, knowing full well, they were not behind the kidnap and murder of the teenage settlers. Hamas are not stupid, reducing Gaza to rubble gets them nothing.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,410 ✭✭✭old_aussie


    Not murder civilians would be a good start

    Are these the same civillians that elected hamas to power with a majority of seats in parliment in 2006?

    The same civillians that elected hamas knowing the agenda of hamas was to wipe out Israel?

    Cause I really don't give a feck about them!

    Or, or is there another group of civillians in there that I'm not aware of?

    Israel at least lets them know that bombs are on the way to the given address.

    Luv ya Garth, hope to see you in Oz again


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