Womens attitudes to previous sexual encounters see mod note post #1

Buzz Killington the third · 12-07-2014 05:03PM

Magaggie wrote: »

"Get a girlfriend" - like getting a carton of milk in Tesco.
A nice subservient woman from a country where women know their place.

Coming to a tesco near you; Russian Brides

ragnarl · 12-07-2014 05:04PM

LordNorbury wrote: »

I've gone on dates with loads of Irish women and not one of them fit into your extremely negative stereotype.

I've gone on dates and had lots of Irish girlfriends who do fit this stereotype as have some of my friends and in fact if you read the posts by women on this thread you have great examples of women who fit this stereotype.

LordNorbury · 12-07-2014 05:05PM

ragnarl wrote: »

I've gone on dates and had lots of Irish girlfriends who do fit this stereotype as have some of my friends and in fact if you read the posts by women on this thread you have great examples of women who fit this stereotype.

I haven't met one single Irish girl who has been with 500 men, I don't think anyone else on thread would have bumped into one either...

ragnarl · 12-07-2014 05:06PM

eviltwin wrote: »

Most Irish women and men don't have numbers in the hundreds, most I know would have a number of partners but most of those would be relationships rather than casual sex. Those who have had a more colourful past are not any the worse for it. I don't know where you get the impression that 100+ lovers is normal for Irish women but its not, maybe you need to take your blinkers off.

Well if you read the posts in this thread several women are defending women who have hundreds of partners and castigating guys who have a problem with it.

eviltwin · 12-07-2014 05:06PM

ragnarl wrote: »

I've gone on dates and had lots of Irish girlfriends who do fit this stereotype as have some of my friends and in fact if you read the posts by women on this thread you have great examples of women who fit this stereotype.

Talk about making assumptions. I defended the right of anyone to have a large number of sexual partners, does this mean I 'slut around'?

ragnarl · 12-07-2014 05:07PM

eviltwin wrote: »

Talk about making assumptions. I defended the right of anyone to have a large number of sexual partners, does this mean I 'slut around'?

It's the attitude I'm talking about, reread my post I think you misunderstood.

shalalala · 12-07-2014 05:09PM

ragnarl wrote: »

Good post here.

Unfortunately society has changed markedly and women are now encouraged to have multiple sexual partners and feel great about it. This is a far cry from when our grandparents were in their 20s and got together and went from strength to strength. Women didn't slut around and get encouraged to have sex with hundreds of men back then.

Fortunately there are some women who don't behave like this, although it's becoming rarer and rarer. Society as a whole has changed and generally Irish women are becoming more and more slutty and entitled. This attitude is obnoxious and im happy to say I have a beautiful foreign girlfriend who values herself more than to be slutting around and having one night stands every week. In her culture that is actually frowned upon. Shes a great girlfriend, doesn't act like a tramp and takes good care of me as I do to her. If we ever break up, I have every intention of getting another girlfriend from the same country as her if I can.

To the OP I would say that you are playing a losing game by having an Irish girlfriend in this day and age. These girls generally feel like they just achieved something great if they have banged 100 guys and as a guy you are looked down on if you think that a girl being an absolute tramp is a bad thing.

I agree with this up to a point. I am Irish, I don't sleep around and nor do most of my friends, male and female.

I don't like girls being called sluts unless you were willing to call men in exactly the same circumstances the exact same. If I was dating a man that had been a part of that gang bang I would be disgusted by him and would finish it.

I have an opinion of sex that in the ideal world it should be in a happy relationship. Whatever form that relationship takes. As long as it isn't damaging anyone. I would argue that a number as high as in the 100s that there would be a certain amount of psychological damage that would have occurred. Both for men and women.

sometimes I feel like I am seen as naive or prudish for having such an attitude and expecting any partners to feel the same way about sex. Most of the time I don't care what others think but sometimes it bothers me. That isn't right.

Sexual liberation is one thing but people should know what respecting themselves is. Have a firm idea of that for themselves and stick to it. It isn't for me to tell them what their version of respect is.

If she told the OP she was clean. Fair enough. I was lied to in the past about this and I never really forgave the lie of it. I had been safe, kept my number low, asked all the right questions and because he couldn't tell the truth I caught something (treatable). So I wouldn't be inclined to blame the OP for trusting his gf on that one!

eviltwin · 12-07-2014 05:09PM

ragnarl wrote: »

It's the attitude I'm talking about, reread my post I think you misunderstood.

The attitude of live and let life, not judging someone or jumping to conclusions about them?

ragnarl · 12-07-2014 05:14PM

shalalala wrote: »

I agree with this up to a point. I am Irish, I don't sleep around and nor do most of my friends, male and female.

I don't like girls being called sluts unless you were willing to call men in exactly the same circumstances the exact same. If I was dating a man that had been a part of that gang bang I would be disgusted by him and would finish it.

I have an opinion of sex that in the ideal world it should be in a happy relationship. Whatever form that relationship takes. As long as it isn't damaging anyone. I would argue that a number as high as in the 100s that there would be a certain amount of psychological damage that would have occurred. Both for men and women.

sometimes I feel like I am seen as naive or prudish for having such an attitude and expecting any partners to feel the same way about sex. Most of the time I don't care what others think but sometimes it bothers me. That isn't right.

Sexual liberation is one thing but people should know what respecting themselves is. Have a firm idea of that for themselves and stick to it. It isn't for me to tell them what their version of respect is.

If she told the OP she was clean. Fair enough. I was lied to in the past about this and I never really forgave the lie of it. I had been safe, kept my number low, asked all the right questions and because he couldn't tell the truth I caught something (treatable). So I wouldn't be inclined to blame the OP for trusting his gf on that one!

I liked your post and it was refreshing to read. I agree with all the points you made.

People are free to do what they want and that's fair enough but for me, I would steer clear of women who've had a very high amount of partners and who think this is great behaviour and that guys who don't like this type of behaviour are wrong.

We all have a choice of who we choose to associate with and have in our lives (if they want to be in our lives as well) so everyone is entitled to make that choice.

LordNorbury · 12-07-2014 05:22PM

ragnarl wrote: »

I liked your post and it was refreshing to read. I agree with all the points you made.

People are free to do what they want and that's fair enough but for me, I would steer clear of women who've had a very high amount of partners and who think this is great behaviour and that guys who don't like this type of behaviour are wrong.

We all have a choice of who we choose to associate with and have in our lives (if they want to be in our lives as well) so everyone is entitled to make that choice.

Yup, and another choice people are allowed to make is to be single, and that choice thankfully today doesn't have to mean a life of sexual abstinence or celibacy, unless of course you want it to, which is equally fine if that is a decision that suits you.

ragnarl · 12-07-2014 05:24PM

LordNorbury wrote: »

Yup, and another choice people are allowed to make is to be single, and that choice thankfully today doesn't have to mean a life of sexual abstinence or celibacy, unless of course you want it to, which is equally fine if that is a decision that suits you.

People are entitled to do what they want. The problem arises when other people start castigating them for their decisions. If someone wants to have a high number of sexual partners that is perfectly fine. If someone doesn't want to be in a relationship with someone like that or someone who holds that mindset, that is also perfectly fine. Everyone is different with their own preferences, and is entitled to have these preferences.

LordNorbury · 12-07-2014 05:25PM

ragnarl wrote: »

People are entitled to do what they want. The problem arises when other people start castigating them for their decisions. If someone wants to have a high number of sexual partners that is perfectly fine. If someone doesn't want to be in a relationship with someone like that, that is also perfectly fine. Everyone is different with their own preferences, and is entitled to have these preferences.

But sure in your first post on this thread 10 minutes ago you were calling every single Irish woman a slut?

ragnarl · 12-07-2014 05:27PM

I won't respond to idiotic posts im afraid.

LordNorbury · 12-07-2014 05:30PM

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ragnarl wrote: »

Women didn't slut around and get encouraged to have sex with hundreds of men back then.

ragnarl wrote: »

To the OP I would say that you are playing a losing game by having an Irish girlfriend in this day and age. These girls generally feel like they just achieved something great if they have banged 100 guys and as a guy you are looked down on if you think that a girl being an absolute tramp is a bad thing.

ragnarl · 12-07-2014 05:31PM

if people want to do ANYTHING, provided it doesn't break the law, then it's perfectly fine and nobody can tell them otherwise. People can have their own opinion on it (e.g slutting around isn't good) but have no right to tell people what to do or think. They have their own right not to associate with people who do things they dislike or share a mindset they dislike. Unfortunately this seems to be difficult for you to comprehend. I'm afraid I can't explain it in simpler terms so hopefully you can understand this time. If not, we can leave it there.

eviltwin · 12-07-2014 05:32PM

ragnarl wrote: »

I won't respond to idiotic posts im afraid.

You're the one dismissing an entire nation of women on some perception they are 'sluts' and you call other posts idiotic? Do you include your mother or sisters in that group btw?

ragnarl · 12-07-2014 05:37PM

eviltwin wrote: »

You're the one dismissing an entire nation of women on some perception they are 'sluts' and you call other posts idiotic? Do you include your mother or sisters in that group btw?

Lets use our intelligence here. Surely there is no way I can know that every Irish woman is a slut and obviously every Irish woman isn't. I was generalizing about the general societal attitudes which are seen to full effect from a lot of the women in this thread by the way vs the general societal attitudes of some foreign countries. You don't seem to be making logical sense here so I'll have to end our conversation on this subject and not reply to your further messages.

BeerSteakBirds · 12-07-2014 05:39PM

I am not judgemental at all. In fact I am very liberal. It is an interesting question though: If you were to go into a bakery , would you like a breadroll where the dough was rolled by the hands of a baker who had worn latex gloves (for example) or would you like one which 100 different men or even one man had stuck their mickeys into ? Which muffin is better ?

My only issue with the lady in question OP , would be was she 1) a hypocrite or 2) a liar.

Freedom (of both of you) to choose your own paths, justice, fairness and truth should always prevail.

ragnarl · 12-07-2014 05:41PM

BeerSteakBirds wrote: »

I am not judgemental at all. In fact I am very liberal. It is an interesting question though: If you were to go into a bakery , would you like a breadroll where the dough was rolled by the hands of a baker who had worn latex gloves (for example) or would you like one which 100 different men or even one man had stuck their mickeys into ? Which muffin is better ?

My only issue with the lady in question OP , would be was she 1) a hypocrite or 2) a liar.

Freedom (of both of you) to choose your own paths, justice, fairness and truth should always prevail.

Indeed. The OP was the one who made the mistake really by not doing his due diligence. I hope he has learned something from my posts here.

LordNorbury · 12-07-2014 05:42PM

ragnarl wrote: »

Lets use our intelligence here. Surely there is no way I can know that every Irish woman is a slut and obviously every Irish woman isn't. I was generalizing about the general societal attitudes which are seen to full effect from a lot of the women in this thread by the way vs the general societal attitudes of some foreign countries. You don't seem to be making logical sense here so I'll have to end our conversation on this subject and not reply to your further messages.

The only person with the generally negative attitude to Irish women is yourself. I never heard society in general agreeing with your assessment that all Irish women are best avoided, as they are all sleeping, or "slutting around" as you put it, with 500 men.

LordNorbury · 12-07-2014 05:44PM

ragnarl wrote: »

Indeed. The OP was the one who made the mistake really by not doing his due diligence. I hope he has learned something from my posts here.

#Blocked

username123 · 12-07-2014 05:46PM

h.bolla wrote: »

Im not very PC.... and where I come from its a general term. If a girl sleeps around shes a slut. Thats just how it is.

You seem to have a general trend for not taking responsibility for your own actions. Your use of language is not "just how it is". It's a choice you make to use the words you use. The word didn't type itself. You typed it.

ragnarl · 12-07-2014 05:47PM

LordNorbury wrote: »

The only person with the generally negative attitude to Irish women is yourself. I never heard society in general agreeing with your assessment that all Irish women are best avoided, as they are all sleeping, or "slutting around" as you put it, with 500 men.

For the last time, im talking about the attitude that women sleeping with a high number of guys (slutting around as I put it) is a great thing to do and guys who think this is unacceptable in a girlfriend are "wrong" to have this view. In a nutshell this is the attitude im talking about. I only said 500 because that was the example put forth by the OP and we had plenty of women saying it was perfectly fine and men should have no problem with it but im talking about high numbers in general.

username123 · 12-07-2014 05:48PM

Buzz Killington the third wrote: »

I'd say if your hypothetical daughter follwed her admittance of a high number of sexual partners with an admittance that the majority of her experiences involved strangers and drinking games you'd hit the roof. Especially upon admittance of public masterbation!

I'm not sure why you are personalising about me like this? Is it particularly threatening to you that I hold a liberal view of sexual activities? I think that says more about you than me tbh.

eviltwin · 12-07-2014 05:51PM

ragnarl wrote: »

For the last time, im talking about the attitude that women sleeping with a high number of guys (slutting around as I put it) is a great thing to do and guys who think this is unacceptable in a girlfriend are "wrong" to have this view. In a nutshell this is the attitude im talking about. I only said 500 because that was the example put forth by the OP and we had plenty of women saying it was perfectly fine and men should have no problem with it but im talking about high numbers in general.

That attitude does not exist. I'm an Irish woman, I've never been told or encouraged to sleep with a large number of men, I've never been encouraged to sleep around full stop. Where are you getting this rubbish from?

ragnarl · 12-07-2014 05:52PM

username123 wrote: »

I'm not sure why you are personalising about me like this? Is it particularly threatening to you that I hold a liberal view of sexual activities? I think that says more about you than me tbh.

This is just a very poor post and again mods should crack down on it. Why on earth would it be "threatening"? She knows this is ridiculous and is just trying to antagonize the poster and then ends with a judgement on the poster based on her irrational and ridiculous claim that he is "threatened" by her views. Idiotic post really.

username123 · 12-07-2014 05:56PM

ragnarl wrote: »

This is just a very poor post and again mods should crack down on it. Why on earth would it be "threatening"? She knows this is ridiculous and is just trying to antagonize the poster and then ends with a judgement on the poster based on her irrational and ridiculous claim that he is "threatened" by her views. Idiotic post really.

This holds a lot of weight coming from someone who thinks every Irish woman is a slut.

Tigger · 12-07-2014 05:59PM

a sixsome :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

i'm not judging but i'm a little taken aback

RichardoKhan · 12-07-2014 06:01PM

Late to thread but I really hope the OP has been to his doctors or a clinic for tests.......

Buzz Killington the third · 12-07-2014 06:06PM

username123 wrote: »

I'm not sure why you are personalising about me like this?

If you don't want people to reply to you on something you said, then don't say it.

username123 wrote: »

Is it particularly threatening to you that I hold a liberal view of sexual activities? I think that says more about you than me tbh.

No, it's in no way threatening and frankly I don't believe you have a liberal view. I think that your opinions are delusional. You made a very provocative post stating that if your daughter did this you wouldn't take issue with it. If that is the case, then you have some serious soul searching to do... Or something... I don't know, but it's a screwed up attitude, it's not 'liberal'. And it says a lot about you, not me!

Womens attitudes to previous sexual encounters see mod note post #1

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