Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

John_Rambo · 06-07-2014 02:55PM

Cantremember wrote: »

I can't wait for me next big match at Croker. Holding a big dump now for some biddy's 1 metre wide front garden. She may expect the pyramid of poo, never mind the Bertie bowl.

Steam Roller wrote: »

Take a dump too in a garden. And enjoy it!

More reasons for the remaining three concerts not to go ahead. I'd say the real Garth fans are delighted with you two charmers!

secman · 06-07-2014 03:01PM

Steam Roller wrote: »

Galway ocean race in 2012 was over a 9 day period.

It attracted something like 800,000 visitors, so 88,000 a day. Most of the events were at the docks and is much smaller place.

How did galway manage an event for 9 days and dublin cant manage 5?

Galway people are a walk over lot, dubs a different kettle of fish all together

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller · 06-07-2014 03:03PM

Umaro wrote: »

Prove this. Both irrelevant and untrue.

It's not irrelevant as it shows that these people are by and large, out to get what they can. Do you really think that if these concerts go ahead, further financial concessions won't be made, in one way or other? As for what I said not being true, it just goes to show how naive you, and a lot of other people posting on this thread saying similar, are.. as it very very well known that residents have sold GAA tickets and Concert tickets on when asked not to.

The residents that are regularly involved in these dealings with the council are not even well liked with 99.9% of the other residents in that area. They are a hardcore select bunch that have always hijacked the dealings with the council in a bid to get what they want, which is why other groups have set up to oppose them over the years. Here is another example of just what makes them tick:

GAA refuses demands from residents near Croke Park for 1,600 free tickets

THE GAA has refused to give in to a demand to supply Croke Park area residents with 1,600 free tickets for each of three concerts to be held in the stadium this summer along with the six rugby and soccer internationals due to be staged in 2007.

Accordingly, the Bon Jovi concert next Saturday night will finish at 10pm, an hour earlier than hoped. And the same will apply to two other concerts, Robbie Williams and Billy Joel, on June 9 and July 29 respectively.

Last year, the residents had no issues with the later finishing time to the U2 concerts.

Stadium director Peter McKenna said the later finish time last year meant traffic flow was less affected before the show and it facilitated the lights show — whereas it will still be bright at 10pm.

He said the cost of providing 1,600 tickets for each event would be over €1 million and they were not prepared to be "put over a barrel" by a few individuals purportedly representing the residents’ groupings.

Mr McKenna said an appeal against a city council go-ahead for an 11pm finish had been lodged with An Bord Pleanála and this process would take up to 18 weeks.

"We agreed a deal ... last Thursday that the concerts would be extended to 11pm and that the residents would withdraw their appeal. But on Friday, they said that unless the deal was extended to include 1,600 tickets for all events, including soccer and rugby, which in essence would be over a €1million, they couldn't agree.

Here, I'm going to come round to where you live and blast Justin Bieber at 90dB for the next 5 nights, from 7pm to midnight.

If you ask me to stop, well too bad. I shouldn't need planning permission. I should be allowed to do whatever I want, when I want.

You're argument is a nonsensical one. You are not a stadium. I don't think you should be able to do what you suggest, anywhere, including in or around Croke Park. However, Croke Park is a stadium and, within reason, they should be able to hold at least a dozen concerts a year without being held to ransom by the residents. It's gone on for too long now and it needs to stop. Give them their 250 All Ireland tickets or whatever, I don't begrudge them that but they should not have the power to dictate that the GAA can only host three concerts per year. It's absurd.

Reformed Character · 06-07-2014 03:06PM

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

It's not irrelevant as it shows that these people are by and large, out to get what they can. Do you really think that if these concerts go ahead, further financial concessions won't be made, in one way or other? As for what I said not being true, it just goes to show how naive you, and a lot of other people posting on this thread saying similar, are.. as it very very well known that residents have sold GAA tickets and Concert tickets on when asked not to.

The residents that are regularly involved in these dealings with the council are not even well liked with 99.9% of the other residents in that area. They are a hardcore select bunch that have always hijacked the dealings with the council in a bid to get what they want, which is why other groups have set up to oppose them over the years. Here is another example of just what makes them tick:

You're argument is a nonsensical one. You are not a stadium. I don't think you should be able to do what you suggest, anywhere, including in or around Croke Park. However, Croke Park is a stadium and, within reason, they should be able to hold at least a dozen concerts a year without being held to ransom by the residents. It's gone on for too long now and it needs to stop. Give them their 250 All Ireland tickets or whatever, I don't begrudge them that but they should not have the power to dictate that the GAA can only host three concerts per year. It's absurd.

Which part of the three concerts only per year is a condition of the planning permission for Croke Park do you not understand? That is a dictat from An Bord Pleanala, not the residents. By going ahead with the redevelopment of Croke Park the GAA were bound by that condition.

SoCal MusicLover · 06-07-2014 03:07PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

So the pro-gig residents (the ones looking for a payoff) are having their big gathering right now.

There's maybe 40-50 of them.

What makes you think that because they are pro-gig that it is because they are looking for a payoff. That implies they want a separate cash payment or a bribe. Could it not just be because they have no desire to tick off those who had bought tickets and wanted to see a great concert? Or perhaps some of them are Garth fans who themselves had planned to walk to one or more of the shows. Or business owners that realize the money which will be generated for themselves and the city and country by outsiders coming into town?

No offense, but your posts seem to be on the side of either attacking Garth for taking his stand or standing by the decision to cancel 2 of them. Yet you say that you have tickets for Friday & Sunday. If your tickets were instead for only Mon & Tues, you would be saying the same?

I stayed up until 3 AM California time twice trying for tickets. Planned a whole itinerary around 6 nights stay in Dublin. Bought plane tickets and booked rooms. Surely I am not the only one from outside Ireland who did this, so that's why I am bothered.

SoCal MusicLover · 06-07-2014 03:10PM

John_Rambo wrote: »

More reasons for the remaining three concerts not to go ahead. I'd say the real Garth fans are delighted with you two charmers!

Methinks it's called "sarcasm." I honestly find it pretty disgusting that many claim people pee and poop on their lawns following concerts at Croke Park.

tomwaterford · 06-07-2014 03:10PM

Reformed Character wrote: »

You mean standing up for their rights.
As you yourself already pointed out there is a real risk of criminal behaviour and criminal damage to residents property.
Croke park received planning permission for redevelopment on condition it had no more than 3 concerts a year. The residents are damn right to oppose this huge disturbance in their lives, fair play to them.

the GAA don't even need the money...those who are saying residents greedy would want to take a look at owners of croke park

that being said....surly a reasonable solution would be to hold the other two concerts in the phoenix park??

Steam Roller · 06-07-2014 03:11PM

secman wrote: »

Galway people are a walk over lot, dubs a different kettle of fish all together

No, we accept people. Dubs dont.

ThisRegard · 06-07-2014 03:11PM

"Making a stand" against a country's planning matters is known as blackmail in this case.

ThisRegard · 06-07-2014 03:13PM

tomwaterford wrote: »

surly a reasonable solution would be to hold the other two concerts in the phoenix park??

No, it's a public park and I would say that it will be even harder to get the go ahead for there at this stage than anywhere else.

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller · 06-07-2014 03:14PM

Reformed Character wrote: »

Which part of the three concerts only per year is a condition of the planning permission for Croke Park do you not understand? That is a dictat from An Bord Pleanala, not the residents. By going ahead with the redevelopment of Croke Park the GAA were bound by that condition.

You're not making any sense. If I didn't understand that there was a condition in place, I would hardly be saying that it needs to be revoked, now would I and please don't imply that An Bord Pleanala restricted the number of concerts, independent of concerns put forward by the residents, as that's just embarrassing.

eeepaulo · 06-07-2014 03:15PM

SoCal MusicLover wrote: »

Methinks it's called "sarcasm." I honestly find it pretty disgusting that many claim people pee and poop on their lawns following concerts at Croke Park.

It does give a new meaning to the term nimby

hynesie08 · 06-07-2014 03:15PM

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

It's not irrelevant as it shows that these people are by and large, out to get what they can. Do you really think that if these concerts go ahead, further financial concessions won't be made, in one way or other? As for what I said not being true, it just goes to show how naive you, and a lot of other people posting on this thread saying similar, are.. as it very very well known that residents have sold GAA tickets and Concert tickets on when asked not to.

Well known by who? The bloke down the pub who told you? Well known is not proof.

The residents that are regularly involved in these dealings with the council are not even well liked with 99.9% of the other residents in that area. They are a hardcore select bunch that have always hijacked the dealings with the council in a bid to get what they want, which is why other groups have set up to oppose them over the years. Here is another example of just what makes them tick:

Nowhere in that statement does it say that the anti-gig residents asked for that. Could have been the pro-gig residents, since they're the ones looking for a payoff.
And if they're so despised, why didn't more people turn up today to support the gigs? Or make any sort of statements before the licenses were granted?

You're argument is a nonsensical one. You are not a stadium. I don't think you should be able to do what you suggest, anywhere, including in or around Croke Park. However, Croke Park is a stadium and, within reason, they should be able to hold at least a dozen concerts a year without being held to ransom by the residents. It's gone on for too long now and it needs to stop. Give them their 250 All Ireland tickets or whatever, I don't begrudge them that but they should not have the power to dictate that the GAA can only host three concerts per year. It's absurd.

What's within reason? And it was on bord pleanala who said 3.

Red Nissan · 06-07-2014 03:18PM

tomwaterford wrote: »

that being said....surly a reasonable solution would be to hold the other two concerts in the phoenix park??

Not if you accept Aiken's interview from a previous post, he explains the customisation and how Garth was going to use this unique opportunity to promote a unique event.

The public relations in this five day gig are immeasurable, and the embarrassment in it's closure could easily stunt any new investment in this country from overseas, it has a big audience.

John_Rambo · 06-07-2014 03:18PM

SoCal MusicLover wrote: »

I honestly find it pretty disgusting that many claim people pee and poop on their lawns following concerts at Croke Park.

I honestly find it more disgusting that people pee and poop on residents lawns following concerts at Croker!

ThisRegard · 06-07-2014 03:21PM

Red Nissan wrote: »

and the embarrassment in it's closure could easily stunt any new investment in this country from overseas, it has a big audience.

Such nonsense, really nonsense.

Santa Cruz · 06-07-2014 03:23PM

John_Rambo wrote: »

I honestly find it more disgusting that people pee and poop on residents lawns following concerts at Croker!

If the residents were decent they would invite people in to use their bathrooms

paddyirish23 · 06-07-2014 03:23PM

tigger123 wrote: »

Please don't make promises you''ve no intention of keeping.

No need to wonder why ppl outside of Dublin dislike ye so muck coming out with that comment.

tomwaterford · 06-07-2014 03:23PM

Red Nissan wrote: »

Not if you accept Aiken's interview from a previous post, he explains the customisation and how Garth was going to use this unique opportunity to promote a unique event.

The public relations in this five day gig are immeasurable, and the embarrassment in it's closure could easily stunt any new investment in this country from overseas, it has a big audience.

but with his all five or none....he only comes out looking like a bit of a pr1ck...with outstanding arrogance and if nothing else...why should laws not apply to him???

if this turns off any investment I would be amazed....who if they are looking into invest somewhere and make money looks into how country music concerts are arranged/go ahead??
surly the first check would be the cost base/feasibility...not a concert being cancelled??

hynesie08 · 06-07-2014 03:25PM

SoCal MusicLover wrote: »

What makes you think that because they are pro-gig that it is because they are looking for a payoff. That implies they want a separate cash payment or a bribe. Could it not just be because they have no desire to tick off those who had bought tickets and wanted to see a great concert? Or perhaps some of them are Garth fans who themselves had planned to walk to one or more of the shows. Or business owners that realize the money which will be generated for themselves and the city and country by outsiders coming into town?

Because they asked for the legacy fund to be reinstated, the one the anti-gig crows turned down, and several business owners have said they'll have to close for the days of the concerts

No offense, but your posts seem to be on the side of either attacking Garth for taking his stand or standing by the decision to cancel 2 of them. Yet you say that you have tickets for Friday & Sunday. If your tickets were instead for only Mon & Tues, you would be saying the same?

None taken, I like garths music and am looking forward to the gigs, but his "stand" smacks of throwing the toys out of the pram, if you don't see it that way fine.
If I had tickets for Monday and Tuesday I'd be annoyed, but I'd get over it. I've missed gigs before and I'll miss them again. At the end of the day it's just a gig.

I stayed up until 3 AM California time twice trying for tickets. Planned a whole itinerary around 6 nights stay in Dublin. Bought plane tickets and booked rooms. Surely I am not the only one from outside Ireland who did this, so that's why I am bothered.

And I do sympathize, despite what others think, but at the end of the day, there are still 3 gigs licensed. It's only gb stopping you attending.

Reformed Character · 06-07-2014 03:25PM

Red Nissan wrote: »

The public relations in this five day gig are immeasurable, and the embarrassment in it's closure could easily stunt any new investment in this country from overseas, it has a big audience.

LMAO, like Intel, Facebook etc are going to pull future investment over this.
Catch a grip, if anything we are showing the world that post celtic tiger we have learned from our mistakes and now take regulation and law seriously!

Umaro · 06-07-2014 03:28PM

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

You're argument is a nonsensical one. You are not a stadium. I don't think you should be able to do what you suggest, anywhere, including in or around Croke Park. However, Croke Park is a stadium and, within reason, they should be able to hold at least a dozen concerts a year without being held to ransom by the residents. It's gone on for too long now and it needs to stop. Give them their 250 All Ireland tickets or whatever, I don't begrudge them that but they should not have the power to dictate that the GAA can only host three concerts per year. It's absurd.

Basically, if you live next to a stadium you should have less right to the quiet enjoyment of your property.

If they don't like it, too bad for them. This is what you're arguing.

SoCal MusicLover · 06-07-2014 03:29PM

Red Nissan wrote: »

Not if you accept Aiken's interview from a previous post, he explains the customisation and how Garth was going to use this unique opportunity to promote a unique event.

The public relations in this five day gig are immeasurable, and the embarrassment in it's closure could easily stunt any new investment in this country from overseas, it has a big audience.

THIS!! Not to mention you can't just move an 80,000 ticket concert 2 weeks before. You couldn't do it with 8,000 let alone 80,000. There are a lot of logistics involved not to mention how do you figure the ticket exchange policies, etc.

Steam Roller · 06-07-2014 03:30PM

What other big artist/band created a DVD, and documentary of Ireland. Try to sell Ireland a bit.

John_Rambo · 06-07-2014 03:31PM

Steam Roller wrote: »

No, we accept people. Dubs dont.

I'd imagine there's more Galwegians living in Dublin than there is Dubs living in Galway. We accept people.

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller · 06-07-2014 03:32PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

Well known by who? The bloke down the pub who told you? Well known is not proof.

Well know by the GAA, touts, people that buy off touts..

Why else do you think they are demand tickets in such high numbers? Cause they just don't want to miss out?

Nowhere in that statement does it say that the anti-gig residents asked for that. Could have been the pro-gig residents, since they're the ones looking for a payoff.

They only meet with the official spokespeople for the residents and they are the ones that would not agree with the deal unless the tickets were allocated. You can keep running away from the fact that there residents' group is not whiter than white as much as you like, but it won't make it so.

And if they're so despised, why didn't more people turn up today to support the gigs? Or make any sort of statements before the licenses were granted?

Oh I don't know, maybe they have lives to live.

What's within reason?

I have already said, multiple times now.

And it was on bord pleanala who said 3.

On the back of concerns strenuously made by the so called residents back in '93.

Pwindedd · 06-07-2014 03:32PM

Been watching this thread for a while, gripping stuff but we're going round in circles a bit now.

I think DCC made the right decision here, IIRC there were no concerts in 2013 so the 3 Brooks concerts would be using up that allocation - seems quite fair.

I'm all for progress and realise that times change etc but there is an inevitable saturation point with regards to use of the stadium. Agreed residents knew what they were buying into but they are still entitled to a reasonable standard of living and DCC have acknowledged this with the decision. For many weekends of the year - especially in summer - they are restricted from coming and going as they please. Still have to pay 100% of their property tax, motor tax etc but are not able to avail of these amenities 100% of the time (and before anyone chimes in I'm not advocating compo, just pointing out they are inconvenienced without recompense) Whilst it's a great venue and should be utilised as much as possible, it is ALSO a residential area, to have concerts there all the time would make it unsuitable for residential use.

It's all up to Garthy now - it would be very churlish of him to disappoint those with tickets to the existing concerts. It was after all originally planned to only stage 3.

Peppa Pig · 06-07-2014 03:33PM

Red Nissan wrote: »

The public relations in this five day gig are immeasurable, and the embarrassment in it's closure could easily stunt any new investment in this country from overseas, it has a big audience.

The new winner of most hysterical post in the thread.

Its story 7 on a country radio station in Oklahoma, not front page of the Wall Street Journal.

Reformed Character · 06-07-2014 03:34PM

Steam Roller wrote: »

What other big artist/band created a DVD, and documentary of Ireland. Try to sell Ireland a bit.

Rubbish, tried to cash while holding DCC and the state hostage!
Personally I hope he pulls the three other concerts, show him up for the prick that he is!

Peppa Pig · 06-07-2014 03:35PM

Pwindedd wrote: »

Been watching this thread for a while, gripping stuff but we're going round in circles a bit now.

I think DCC made the right decision here, IIRC there were no concerts in 2013 so the 3 Brooks concerts would be using up that allocation - seems quite fair.

I'm all for progress and realise that times change etc but there is an inevitable saturation point with regards to use of the stadium. Agreed residents knew what they were buying into but they are still entitled to a reasonable standard of living and DCC have acknowledged this with the decision. For many weekends of the year - especially in summer - they are restricted from coming and going as they please. Still have to pay 100% of their property tax, motor tax etc but are not able to avail of these amenities 100% of the time (and before anyone chimes in I'm not advocating compo, just pointing out they are inconvenienced without recompense) Whilst it's a great venue and should be utilised as much as possible, it is ALSO a residential area, to have concerts there all the time would make it unsuitable for residential use.

It's all up to Garthy now - it would be very churlish of him to disappoint those with tickets to the existing concerts. It was after all originally planned to only stage 3.

And following on from hysteria we have the winner of the most sensible post award.

Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

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