Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

Peppa Pig · 06-07-2014 01:26PM

Aiken babbling on again. But two comments stand out for me

"Look, I was led to believe we would be awarded a licence for five events."
Who led you to believe that?
"I was never led to believe that I wouldn't

Owen Keegan in relation to the Brooks concerts.
And he led you believe that five concerts would be okay?
"He didn't lead me to believe that,"

So he got no indication either way, just his arrogance that nobody would refuse him.

Further down we have this little gem

"It is foolish to think that some of those people won't turn up on the nights of the shows [which have been given the go-ahead] and try and get in," he adds. "People have waited 17 years for Garth. They will turn up just to be around the venue and think they may have a chance of getting in. It could be thousands of people turning up and that would lead to huge, huge problems on the streets of Dublin, problems we've never seen before.

If the promoter is saying that there will be huge huge problems on the streets of Dublin, then realistically all concerts should be cancelled. Particularly if he says Garth Brooks fans will turn up with no tickets just to be near him. That is playing right into fresh objections from residents and DCC, although I am sure it's just part of his plan to force through five or nothing.

Link

Tarzana · 06-07-2014 01:29PM

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0705/628734-garth-brooks-concerts/

From the article

Explaining the losses, Mr Aiken said he would not be covered by insurance should the concerts not proceed, and Mr Brooks had invested heavily in commissioning a film crew of around 70 people to produce a documentary on his comeback tour.

Well, Mr. Aiken, that was a lot of to gamble with on all five concerts going ahead...

Steam Roller · 06-07-2014 01:29PM

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

Won't be as good as it could have been, if it does get made, as currently they have been told they can't shoot aerial footage with the use of a helicopter.

Yet then they'll have the garda helicopter out after the concert. What a stupid condition to have.

Peppa Pig · 06-07-2014 01:39PM

Steam Roller wrote: »

Yet then they'll have the garda helicopter out after the concert. What a stupid condition to have.

Why would the Garda helicopter be out?
Are you expecting anti-social behaviour after the concerts?

You do know that the Garda helicopter needs permission from ATC to fly so close to the airport?

hynesie08 · 06-07-2014 01:42PM

Peppa Pig wrote: »

Why would the Garda helicopter be out?
Are you expecting anti-social behaviour after the concerts?

You do know that the Garda helicopter needs permission from ATC to fly so close to the airport?

Maybe Obama can give permission.

Peppa Pig · 06-07-2014 01:44PM

One less reason to complain

Customers who have booked rail travel to attend concerts which are now cancelled will be refunded.
Iarnród Éireann has confirmed that customers who booked rail travel to attend any Garth Brooks concerts which are cancelled will be refunded in full.

So now it's tickets, travel and accommodation that can all be refunded (unless you bizarrely pre paid for a hotel). If you have a flight booked, I have sympathy but you can still fly into Ireland and have a holiday.

kerryguy78 · 06-07-2014 02:00PM

Its just such a pity muppets are plentyful in this country, those poor people that got tickets to be told the concert is canceled is a disgrace........... Take the concerts elsewhere and fast track the planning is the answer.........

nxbyveromdwjpg · 06-07-2014 02:05PM

Peppa Pig wrote: »

Aiken babbling on again. But two comments stand out for me

So he got no indication either way, just his arrogance that nobody would refuse him.

It's hardly arrogance, there hasn't been a licence refused in 30 years. Unless indicated otherwise, it's a fair assumption that there the licence wouldn't have been a problem.

Peppa Pig wrote: »

If the promoter is saying that there will be huge huge problems on the streets of Dublin, then realistically all concerts should be cancelled. Particularly if he says Garth Brooks fans will turn up with no tickets just to be near him. That is playing right into fresh objections from residents and DCC, although I am sure it's just part of his plan to force through five or nothing.

He's saying that now 5 concerts worth of people will be trying to fit into 3.

He's not trying to overcrowd the streets, he's trying to argue for the 5 to go ahead so yea it's obviously part of the plan.

Reformed Character · 06-07-2014 02:06PM

kerryguy78 wrote: »

Its just such a pity muppets are plentyful in this country, those poor people that got tickets to be told the concert is canceled is a disgrace........... Take the concerts elsewhere and fast track the planning is the answer.........

Maybe if greedy promoters decided to follow the law and the regulations people wouldn't be disappointed.
No need at all to change the laws or "fast track" anything.

nxbyveromdwjpg · 06-07-2014 02:06PM

Who's condition is the helicopter thing? Is that the residents again or is there a real reason for it?

mbur · 06-07-2014 02:09PM

I think the 5 concerts hould go ahead. The resident could gather evidence about how bad it was and use this to enforce a binding agreement with the GAA and council about the conduct of such events in the future. If they needed funding I would contribute.

The location of the Croke Park Stadium is piss poor for what it now is but cancelling huge events three weeks before the day is no way to fix the problem.

jack presley · 06-07-2014 02:10PM

nm wrote: »

It's hardly arrogance, there hasn't been a licence refused in 30 years. Unless indicated otherwise, it's a fair assumption that there the licence wouldn't have been a problem.

IN DCC's second statement they claim they stated on numerous occasions to Aiken that they had issues with the 5 concerts.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/dublin-city-council-full-statement-on-garth-brooks-concerts-1.1856017?page=1

Peppa Pig · 06-07-2014 02:11PM

nm wrote: »

Who's condition is the helicopter thing? Is that the residents again or is there a real reason for it?

Residents cited it under the environmental concerns.
It's hardly a noise concern during the concert, but DCC don't appear to have made it a major issue, they have also lumped it in with noise.
Maybe it was going to be flying during the day as well. Low flying helicopters are quite noisy.

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller · 06-07-2014 02:11PM

Nothing changes in this country. Fcuking NIMBY types have always held this country to ransom whenever they could. I remember them trying to stop the laying of the pitch in croker many years also. It's a bunch of hardcore residents that are always behind it.

It's well known that the same people who want all the rules and regulations to apply, to the letter of the law when it comes to how Croke Park conduct themselves, suddenly don't mind bending the rules when it comes to reselling tickets which they have been allocated for the inconvenience of having match goes walking up and down their street. Funny that.

Have a read of this article from 1997, where not only did it go to the High Court in an attempt to get U2 gigs to go ahead, but it did in fact end up in the bloody Supreme Court. It shows that not only have the planning application laws for concerts always been a joke in Dublin, but that because they are, local resident associations have then the power to hold various bodies to ransom as a direct result of it:

Court confirms planning curb on pop concerts

ANY moves to stage pop concerts at Lansdowne Road in future received a serious setback yesterday when the High Court found planning permission is needed for such shows.

Irish Rugby Football Union trustees had asked the court to rule planning permission is not needed for concerts at the venue but Dublin Corporation claimed planning permission is required.

Having given his reserved judgment yesterday, High Court president Mr Justice Morris, on the application of counsel Colm Allen, for the IRFU left over making a formal order and adjourned the case for a week.

Counsel James Macken, for the corporation, asked the court to make a declaration that planning permission is required for pop concerts at Lansdowne.

In June 1997, the corporation issued a warning notice that two U2 concerts planned for Lansdowne last summer could not go ahead without planning permission. A number of people living in the vicinity of the grounds objected to the concerts taking place.

Eventually, the Supreme Court decided the U2 concerts could be held on a once-off basis and they went ahead on August 30 and 31 last. Experts monitored their impact on the locality and presented statistics to the court.

Mr Justice Morris, in his judgment, said he was satisfied the alteration in the level and duration of noise during the U2 concerts represented a material change of use from the holding of sporting fixtures in the grounds.

He had considered the event noise evidence in relation to a soccer international at Lansdowne on October 29 last. This showed that from 7.15pm to 9.15pm the accepted standard of 75 decibels had been exceeded on seven occasions.

Compared to the U2 concert on August 30, between 7.15pm and after midnight when monitoring ended, the level of 75 decibels was exceeded at all stages and the noise level reached 88 decibels. For the entire of the time it was between 80 and 90 decibels. The reading was taken at a non-residential property nearby.

The judge said he accepted the evidence of two residents that noise levels were such as to cause one of them great distress and one of her neighbours to react so violently the promoters moved her to hotel accommodation for the duration of the concerts, and that she suffered significantly from noise effects.

osarusan · 06-07-2014 02:22PM

More wing mirrors for you to target. You'll be busy.

John_Rambo · 06-07-2014 02:23PM

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

I was the person who mentioned wing mirrors. For the last time, I suggested there was a possibility of it happening and so I wouldn't leave my car there if I was a resident

It's a good point in fairness. Obviously DCC made the right decision. Do you think the other three concerts should be cancelled if even you, a Garth Brooks fan feels that residents property would be maliciously vandalised or damaged?

nxbyveromdwjpg · 06-07-2014 02:27PM

I'm off to Croker right now for Dublin Kilkenny, don't worry lads, I'll tip toe in and out and try keep it down

Reformed Character · 06-07-2014 02:27PM

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

Nothing changes in this country. Fcuking NIMBY types have always held this country to ransom whenever they could. I remember them trying to stop the laying of the pitch in croker many years also. It's a bunch of hardcore residents that are always behind it.

It's well known that the same people who want all the rules and regulations to apply, to the letter of the law when it comes to how Croke Park conduct themselves, suddenly don't mind bending the rules when it comes to reselling tickets which they have been allocated for the inconvenience of having match goes walking up and down their street. Funny that.

Have a read of this article from 1997, where not only did it go to the High Court in an attempt to get U2 gigs to go ahead, but it did in fact end up in the bloody Supreme Court. It shows that not only have the planning application laws for concerts always been a joke in Dublin, but that because they are, local resident associations have then the power to hold various bodies to ransom as a direct result of it:

The law on concerts has changed considerably since 1997.

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller · 06-07-2014 02:32PM

Reformed Character wrote: »

The law on concerts has changed considerably since 1997.

I never said they hadn't. I am making the point the resident associations are notorious for holding stadiums to ransom whenever they see an opportunity.

Umaro · 06-07-2014 02:33PM

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

It's well known that the same people who want all the rules and regulations to apply, to the letter of the law when it comes to how Croke Park conduct themselves, suddenly don't mind bending the rules when it comes to reselling tickets which they have been allocated for the inconvenience of having match goes walking up and down their street. Funny that.

Prove this. Both irrelevant and untrue.

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

Have a read of this article from 1997...

Here, I'm going to come round to where you live and blast Justin Bieber at 90dB for the next 5 nights, from 7pm to midnight.

If you ask me to stop, well too bad. I shouldn't need planning permission. I should be allowed to do whatever I want, when I want.

My god. :rolleyes:

ThisRegard · 06-07-2014 02:34PM

kerryguy78 wrote: »

Its just such a pity muppets are plentyful in this country, those poor people that got tickets to be told the concert is canceled is a disgrace........... Take the concerts elsewhere and fast track the planning is the answer.........

Yip., fast tracking planning has never caused problems in this country before.

ThisRegard · 06-07-2014 02:39PM

nm wrote: »

Who's condition is the helicopter thing? Is that the residents again or is there a real reason for it?

Noise pollution I'd say in a broader area than where the concerts are.

Steam Roller · 06-07-2014 02:40PM

nm wrote: »

I'm off to Croker right now for Dublin Kilkenny, don't worry lads, I'll tip toe in and out and try keep it down

Take a dump too in a garden. And enjoy it!

Flem31 · 06-07-2014 02:43PM

I believe it is time that Owen Keegan stated publically the reason why he rejected the application for the Monday and Tuesday concerts. Are the local residents a convenient scapegoat because some of them objected to the concerts taking place.

However if Mr Keegan took on board those objections and used them as the basis for his decision....then all five concerts would have been rejected. If a local resident's objection was valid for a Monday night concert, should if not also be valid for the Sunday night also.

Maybe the Gardaí voiced their concerns too re traffic management on two successive weekdays in the greater area of Dunlin North out as far as the M50. After all they delayed last years hurling final replay until 5pm on a Saturday. The more recent 1D concerts created gridlock on a Friday night.....with the help of some rain I think.

Perhaps......other objectors carried more weight than the Croke Park residents.

hynesie08 · 06-07-2014 02:44PM

So the pro-gig residents (the ones looking for a payoff) are having their big gathering right now.

There's maybe 40-50 of them.

Reformed Character · 06-07-2014 02:45PM

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

I never said they hadn't. I am making the point the resident associations are notorious for holding stadiums to ransom whenever they see an opportunity.

You mean standing up for their rights.
As you yourself already pointed out there is a real risk of criminal behaviour and criminal damage to residents property.
Croke park received planning permission for redevelopment on condition it had no more than 3 concerts a year. The residents are damn right to oppose this huge disturbance in their lives, fair play to them.

ThisRegard · 06-07-2014 02:46PM

Flem31 wrote: »

I believe it is time that Owen Keegan stated publically the reason why he rejected the application for the Monday and Tuesday concerts.

Why when the council published a document outlining the reasons already?

Reformed Character · 06-07-2014 02:46PM

Flem31 wrote: »

I believe it is time that Owen Keegan stated publically the reason why he rejected the application for the Monday and Tuesday concerts.

He has, the decision was published and is available, in detail, on the DCC website!

Arne_Saknussem · 06-07-2014 02:49PM

kerryguy78 wrote: »

Its just such a pity muppets are plentyful in this country, those poor people that got tickets to be told the concert is canceled is a disgrace........... Take the concerts elsewhere and fast track the planning is the answer.........

Changing legislation and fast-tracking planning are just 2 suggestions that have been put forward to solve this issue....for a Garth Brooks concert??

We need to think very carefully about about how we handle this, this is a man who already speaks about himself in the third person at every given opportunity.

Any more stroking of his ego and he could mutate from Pied Piper of the Culchies into a David Koresh style full blown Messiah Complex megalomaniac and set up camp here permanently :eek:

Umaro · 06-07-2014 02:51PM

Flem31 wrote: »

I believe it is time that Owen Keegan stated publically the reason why he rejected the application for the Monday and Tuesday concerts. Are the local residents a convenient scapegoat because some of them objected to the concerts taking place.

Why don't you have a good old read of it yourself?

http://dublincity.ie/sites/default/files/content/Press/Documents/LicenceDecisionNoticeGarthBrooks.pdf

Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

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