Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

AudreyHepburn

http://www.her.ie/entertainment/if-tomorrow-never-comes-croke-park-residents-to-seek-concert-injunctions/

I spotted the above on facebook this morning and thought it might be worth a discussion.

As Garth Brooks adds a fifth date to his run of concerts in Croke Park, it seems the residents have decided to try and stop any concerts being played there again.

I'm a little bit torn on this one myself. While I certainly do understand the inconvience caused to residents in the area I also don't like the whole not-in-my-backyward attitude that people in this country are so fond of.

Surely those residents knew what they were getting into when buying their homes?

You'd think it was the Swedish House Mafia or a group/artist of that nature who were playing five nights, not Garth Brooks. It's not like the people going to his concerts are going to be drunks and junkies hell bent on violence.

I personally feel an outright ban is a little over the top.

In all honesty if we were to start banning concerts etc from every place they weren't wanted we never have concerts played at all.

Should we ban concerts completely from Croker or would stiffer regulations be enough?

darkpagandeath

That's like saying I live in the centre of the city I knew this moving in yet I want the streets cleared of people as they annoy me.

kneemos

Two grand apiece should avert their eyes.

Xavi6

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

You'd think it was the Swedish House Mafia or a group/artist of that nature who were playing five nights, not Garth Brooks.

What difference does it make who it is? The inconveniences in terms of crowds, parking etc are still the exact same.

And you can be sure that there will be plenty of oul wans acting the tit at Brooks after a few overpriced white wines.

The residents agreed to a certain number of concerts per year, the promoters have gone over that without an updated agreement, so they're entitled to complain.

The gigs will still go ahead but hopefully they get more than a few poxy free tickets for their troubles. Five nights of listening to country music deserves serious compensation IMO.

vicwatson

Just ban Garth Brooks is all

Eight Ball

Understand where they are coming from tbh. listening to gareth brooks five nights in a row is enough to drive most people to drink.

force eleven

If I was penned in at home being forced to listen to 'Friends in Low Places' blaring out every night, I'd be complaining too...

baldbear

darkpagandeath wrote: »

That's like saying I live in the centre of the city I knew this moving in yet I want the streets cleared of people as they annoy me.

No its not. The people around Croke Park have to put up with 8 nights of atrocious ear polluting shoite. The city centre has it easy.

Mrs Garth Brooks

Add five more gigs for the fun of it.

Give them something to complain about.

Then five wont seem as bad as ten and they might leave us alone.

Bunch of dry cnuts.

AudreyHepburn

Xavi6 wrote: »

What difference does it make who it is? The inconveniences in terms of crowds, parking etc are still the exact same.

And you can be sure that there will be plenty of oul wans acting the tit at Brooks after a few overpriced white wines.

The residents agreed to a certain number of concerts per year, the promoters have gone over that without an updated agreement, so they're entitled to complain.

The gigs will still go ahead but hopefully they get more than a few poxy free tickets for their troubles. Five nights of listening to country music deserves serious compensation IMO.

The difference is that in general the kind of crowd Brooks attracts would differ vastly from those a group like SHM would.

But to listen to some of what the residents are saying you'd think they were one and the same. And that would seem to be their biggest fear tbh.

AudreyHepburn

baldbear wrote: »

No its not. The people around Croke Park have to put up with 8 nights of atrocious ear polluting shoite. The city centre has it easy.

But surely people knew what to expect when buying their homes?

I don't know, it's a hard one to call.

Xavi6

HardLuckWoman wrote: »

Add five more gigs for the fun of it.

Give them something to complain about.

Then five wont seem as bad as ten and they might leave us alone.

Bunch of dry cnuts.

Cancelling him altogether would be a lot funnier

StephenHendry

i understand where they are coming from , 5 nights in a row is a lot for the residents to cope with, many of them will be literally 'prisoners' in their own homes for 5 nights, i don't think 5 nights of concerts would be allowed by the residents near the aviva stadium , they could have had 3 concerts then a further 2/3 at a later date for the croke park residents for the garth brooks concert

Mrs Garth Brooks

Xavi6 wrote: »

Cancelling him altogether would be a lot funnier

Nooooooo

kneemos

The needs of the many is greater than the wants of a few.

force eleven

force eleven wrote: »

If I was penned in at home being forced to listen to 'Friends in Low Places' blaring out every night, I'd be complaining too...

Don't forget the lengthy daily sound check too.

NTMK

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

But surely people knew what to expect when buying their homes?

I don't know, it's a hard one to call.

most residents around croke park have probably been there before the redevelopment of the stadium so that is a non issue

the only difference between Brooks and SHM is age both sets of have equal amounts of loud idiots in my experience

If promoters went over the amount of allocated events then the residents have every right to complain

Psychobabble

It's not the just the concerts that residents will need to contend with; there'll be major disruption in the area for a couple of days before hand, with noise and traffic from the stage being built and likewise when it is being dismantled. I'd say they're looking about 9 days disruption in all, certainly in the immediate vicinity.
It's not fair to say that they knew what they were signing up for when they bought in the area; the scale of this concert series is unprecedented for Croke Park and that's in addition to other agreed events.
There's a degree of cynicism and nastiness going on in relation to 'da residents' also, not all of them will be 'bought off' with a pair of concert tickets. For many this would not make up for the disruption experienced in their lives and the lives of their families. Remember, they are real people that may be aggrieved and distressed by the impact this will have on their day-to-day lives!
They don't want to spoil the party, but the fifth concert just seemed to be a bridge too far. There are big organisations making lots of money out of this and the rights of ordinary Irish citizens to have their concerns heard in due legal process are being discredited by many online commentators.

Gee_G

Xavi6 wrote: »

Cancelling him altogether would be a lot funnier

If that happened I would have to cancel my Facebook and twitter account! People are gone bloody crazy!!

AudreyHepburn

I should point out I am not unsympathetic to the residents nor am I trying to be nasty or cynical.

I just think asking for an outright ban is a little extreme.

anncoates

Like the GAA care about thousands of local residents. Didn't they take legal action against some of them over that local community centre they were trying to redevelop?

bucketybuck

I have no doubt that if the OP lived anywhere near Croke Park he would have instead written about how awful it was that ordinary Irish people were being locked up in their houses for a week while tens of thousands of people are herded past his front door every evening.

Fact is fact, the local residents have a very valid complaint. There was an agreement for a certain number of concerts and the promoters have exceeded that number. The promoters will be making millions while the residents will have their lives massively disrupted. They have every right to vocally complain about the situation, not least because they have to stand up for themselves at some point. What if they say nothing now and the promoters do decide to make it ten shows, are they allowed to complain then?

seamus

Like I say in the other thread, Croke park has been in existence since before all of the residents were even alive.

If you don't like the disruption a stadium brings, don't live beside it.

If there was an agreement, formal or informal about the number of concerts, then it's just plain decency for the promoter to offer additional compensation for the overspill, but I see no general basis for residents to complain about the facility being used.

Sir Arthur Daley

If i was a resident and faced with the upcoming 5 Garth Brooks and 3 one Direction concerts i would sell up, i would question my mental health if i had to live through that.

bucketybuck

seamus wrote: »

Like I say in the other thread, Croke park has been in existence since before all of the residents were even alive.

If you don't like the disruption a stadium brings, don't live beside it.

Either put up with whatever Croke park does, or move house. Those are your only options folks in the world according to seamus.

AudreyHepburn

bucketybuck wrote: »

I have no doubt that if the OP lived anywhere near Croke Park he would have instead written about how awful it was that ordinary Irish people were being locked up in their houses for a week while tens of thousands of people are herded past his front door every evening.

Fact is fact, the local residents have a very valid complaint. There was an agreement for a certain number of concerts and the promoters have exceeded that number. The promoters will be making millions while the residents will have their lives massively disrupted. They have every right to vocally complain about the situation, not least because they have to stand up for themselves at some point. What if they say nothing now and the promoters do decide to make it ten shows, are they allowed to complain then?

First I am a she. Second you may well be right that my opinion would be different if I lived nearer Croke Park. However I would remind that there also 400,000 'Ordinary Irish People' who are happy to see Garth Brooks back in Ireland and they should be heard too.

And third, I never said they weren't allowed to complain, I just wonder if they are being a little extreme in demanding a blanket ban on concerts?

Again it's a tough situation but there are two sides to it and they both deserve to be heard.

anncoates

seamus wrote: »

Like I say in the other thread, Croke park has been in existence since before all of the residents were even alive.

If you don't like the disruption a stadium brings, don't live beside it..

A bit of a dodgy precedent to say any purely commercial activity on the part of a commercial organisation that directly affects the quality of life of residents is acceptable merely because they were there first?

gramar

Now they're talking of a sixth night! If I lived there I'd think about moving at this rate.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. If you pay then Garth will play!

truedoom

vicwatson wrote: »

Just ban Garth Brooks is all

Get out!

Also just give the residents a few all ireland tickets to quieten them down.

Boom_Bap

1 huge gripe that the residents around the area is that of parking. For example, a friend on mine owns a house in the area, they don't care about the noise of activity in the area. They care that gobsh*tes will freely use thier street as a car park and block them into thier parking spot.
So in the event of any sort of an emergency where they are required to drive, they will need to wait for the concert/game to end, the post match/gig pints to wrap up, the stumble of the car owners back to thier cars the prayers they say before driving after consuming alcohol are completed before they are in a position to drive away. Oh, and those who are doing the double parking, may also have the same scenario if there is some tripple parking going on where the blocker becomes the blockee.

This may sound ludacris, but it happens at every major event.

Chazz Michael Michaels

kneemos wrote: »

Two grand apiece should avert their eyes.

I agree, they should be paid a fee.

anncoates

Boom_Bap wrote: »

1 huge gripe that the residents around the area is that of parking. For example, a friend on mine owns a house in the area, they don't care about the noise of activity in the area. They care that gobsh*tes will freely use thier street as a car park and block them into thier parking spot.
So in the event of any sort of an emergency where they are required to drive, they will need to wait for the concert/game to end, the post match/gig pints to wrap up, the stumble of the car owners back to thier cars the prayers they say before driving after consuming alcohol are completed before they are in a position to drive away. Oh, and those who are doing the double parking, may also have the same scenario if there is some tripple parking going on where the blocker becomes the blockee.

This may sound ludacris, but it happens at every major event.

I know it's a historical site for the GAA but they should have have relocated to the suburbs a long time ago and perhaps just retained a museum on the old site. A purpose built arena in the suburbs be far more accessible for concerts and matches and less of a burden to the city residents and traffic.

Same with Landsdowne.

TheIrishGrover

5 nights in a row is asking a bit much. Can only imagine the noise and traffic. As for the comments "They knew what they were getting into when they bought their houses" well, a lot of those people have been living there for generations, when Landsdown Croker wasn't used nearly as much, or as late. Or wasn't there at all. I know it's over at 10 or so each night but I wouldn't like to be working shift work around then

edit: Meant Croker

gerbilgranny

Can the GAA not pay for additional resources to ensure that parking/access for residents during the concerts isn't an issue?

Here in Bray when the annual Air Show is on, traffic cones are put on all the roads in the town where people shouldn't park, but might be tempted to park - i.e. where there are yellow lines and in other areas that might be flooded with visitor's cars.

roadsmart

The parking is the worst for me. Cars just abandoned in places people would never normally dream of parking. I've been blocked in a couple of times, and several years ago a neighbour returned home to find two strange cars parked in her driveway. When there's a match or concert on an ambulance or fire brigade would not get into our street. IMHO parking should be available outside the city (plenty of places around the airport) and patrons bussed in.

iDave

I live close enough to Croke Park to enjoy the buzz of a big event and far enough not to deal with all the bullsh1t. Do have a lot of sympathy for those closer to the ground on this. 5 in a row is an unbelievable pain in the hole along with 3 1 Direction gigs too.

Eponymous

kneemos wrote: »

The needs of the many is greater than the wants of a few.

Going to a concert is a "need" now?

Heaven forbid residents might "want" to live in their homes without such intrusions for five consecutive nights.

seamus

anncoates wrote: »

A bit of a dodgy precedent to say any purely commercial activity on the part of a commercial organisation that directly affects the quality of life of residents is acceptable merely because they were there first?

Yes, within reasonable hours. If you live near a large industrial facility, they can cause constant disruption, 6 days a week from 8am to 10pm and there's basically nothing you can do about it.

If Croke Park are planning on holding gigs that go on till 1am, then you've got a valid reason to complain, but otherwise assuming the facility is in use during normal hours, then residents just have to put up with it, because that's what happens when you buy a house beside a stadium.

If you don't like it, move.

I can't understand the mentality of anyone who moves into an area and then demands that everyone else changes to suit them.

Xavi6

seamus wrote: »

I can't understand the mentality of anyone who moves into an area and then demands that everyone else changes to suit them.

Except they're not doing that are they? They're simply demanding that the agreement which was made is adhered to.

Patrick Gates of the Clonliffe and Croke Park Area Residents’ Association

“They are adding one concert after another without any consultation with the residents. It is a disgrace. They [Croke Park] had an agreement for three concerts. Four was going too far. Five is a joke."

.......


He said so close to an 80,000-seat stadium, residents knew they would have to “grin and bear it” a couple of times a year but five times in a row was not on.

Andy-Pandy

I grew up on Simmonscourt Road, the road that splits the RDS in two so I know how much of a pain these things can be and how much of a disruption 5 nights of a concert can be, add into this the days the stage is built and you are looking at a full week of restricted access to your house. They deserve some sort of recompense for the concerts, they will affect their lives for the duration of them.

Shiraz 4.99

Eponymous wrote: »

Going to a concert is a "need" now?

Heaven forbid residents might "want" to live in their homes without such intrusions for five consecutive nights.

I would have thought that some of them may have queried the huge concrete structure next to their house the day they bought it.
My sympathy meter is sadly not responding here, maybe they should hire Brendan Ogle now he's free, probably get them all a free extension & cobblelock driveway for their troubles.

stinkle

seamus wrote: »

Like I say in the other thread, Croke park has been in existence since before all of the residents were even alive.

If you don't like the disruption a stadium brings, don't live beside it.

If there was an agreement, formal or informal about the number of concerts, then it's just plain decency for the promoter to offer additional compensation for the overspill, but I see no general basis for residents to complain about the facility being used.

it may have been in existence but not as the massive capacity behemoth it is now. There are plenty of residents living there since before the stadium was modernised. I would imagine most objections aren't going to be the noise, but parking disruption and potential anti social activity before and after.

Sir Arthur Daley

What about health and safety issues? is it designed to hold 100,000 fans plus workers and Garth Brooks?

anncoates

seamus wrote: »

If you don't like it, move.

I can't understand the mentality of anyone who moves into an area and then demands that everyone else changes to suit them.

It depends on your point of view.

I'd rather prioritize - or balance at least - the quality of life for thousands of Dublin citizens than the rights of a (any, not just Croke Park) commercial organization to make money. Or at least be a bit more subtle than telling them to like it or lump it.

By your reckoning, the entire North inner City should be evacuated permanently as a residential area so the GAA can cream it for extra Garth Brooks concerts?

stefan idiot jones

Chazz Michael Michaels wrote: »

I agree, they should be paid a fee.

Why should money have anything to do with it?

I despair of this compensation culture that has crept into our lives.

Compensate them with free tickets or ear plugs.

How on earth can money solve any of these issues. Greed, fcukin' Greed.

D1stant

Xavi6 wrote: »

Five nights of listening to country music deserves serious compensation IMO.

The furthest they ever got to in Guantanamo was 3 nights. This is inhuman

anncoates

stinkle wrote: »

it may have been in existence but not as the massive capacity behemoth it is now. There are plenty of residents living there since before the stadium was modernised. I would imagine most objections aren't going to be the noise, but parking disruption and potential anti social activity before and after.

It's also disingenuous to suggest that they were stuffing in 5 night concerts in there back in the old days.

padd b1975

I lived in the area the last time he played there, so obviously I could hear everything from my front door.

I was amazed how identical his show was every night- both set list and interaction with the audience.

The music was enjoyable (I got a cheap last minute ticket for the Sunday night) but 5 nights of the same folksy/ patronize the crowd within an inch of their lives links will be tough for the residents to listen to.

Eponymous

Shiraz 4.99 wrote: »

I would have thought that some of them may have queried the huge concrete structure next to their house the day they bought it.
My sympathy meter is sadly not responding here, maybe they should hire Brendan Ogle now he's free, probably get them all a free extension & cobblelock driveway for their troubles.

As mentioned here before, for quite a few residents these are family homes, passed down from generations. It's not so long ago all that happened in Croker was sporting events, and even then mostly at weekends.

Your response also doesn't tackle the "need" of going to a concert. It's very easy to trivialise what the residents will go through for the duration of the concerts, plus time for construction and deconstruction of the stage.

Chazz Michael Michaels

stefan idiot jones wrote: »

Why should money have anything to do with it?

I despair of this compensation culture that has crept into our lives.

Compensate them with free tickets or ear plugs.

How on earth can money solve any of these issues. Greed, fcukin' Greed.

Because Croke Park make money and impose discomfort on them. Ergo, they either must share their earnings with them, or, hold no concerts there.

Let me give you a simple example. Let's say a nearby factories output stained your house with soot each year. Would you consider it fair that the factory gives you money to repaint your house, or, in your bizarre mind, should they give you a bag of soot or a blindfold?

Nice username.

bucketybuck

seamus wrote: »

I can't understand the mentality of anyone who moves into an area and then demands that everyone else changes to suit them.

What on earth are you blathering about?

They aren't asking anybody to change at all, in fact they are asking the opposite, that the existing agreement be adhered to. Thats the cause of this dispute, the fact that the promoters have without consultation went beyond what was originally agreed to.