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Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

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  • #6182
    Steam Roller
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    http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/concert-promoter-peter-aiken-i-went-into-it-with-good-faith-it-is-a-nightmare-30409383.html

    I think Peter Aiken hasnt a hope himself. The first line says it all "i went into it with good faith". Seems as if its all off.


  • #6183
    Joe Duffy..
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 280 ✭✭Joe Duffy..


    Anton Savage on about it now on Today f.m


  • #6184
    Larry Wildman
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,460 ✭✭✭Larry Wildman


    Hopefully common sense will prevail soon and all five concerts will go ahead.

    There are sinister forces at work here.


  • #6185
    Cantremember
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭Cantremember


    Larry Wildman wrote: »
    Hopefully common sense will prevail soon and all five concerts will go ahead.

    There are sinister forces at work here.

    Isn't that a bit harsh on country music?


  • #6186
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    Larry Wildman wrote: »
    Hopefully common sense will prevail soon and all five concerts will go ahead.

    There are sinister forces at work here.

    Ffs.


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  • #6187
    chinguetti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,555 ✭✭✭chinguetti


    Reformed Character wrote: »
    The reached an agreement with the residents in 2009 that no more than three concerts a year would be held.
    That has been well linked to already in this thread, and the GAA acknowledge such an agreement was indeed reached.

    And they also were to consult with the residents on any future concerts above the 3. They didn't talk to the residents until the residents kicked up and only them to say the agreement was going to be ignored. So people are surprised that the residents kicked up and the DCC would refuse it. Come on folks, this is the main point. Aiken then carried on in the belief that you build a house and then look for planning permission.

    If you have two agreements in place and they have both been broken by the same side on two occasions - Croke Park - would you enter into an agreement with them for a third time? Hard to see whats in it for the residents to go down that road again.


  • #6188
    Eire Go Brach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,388 ✭✭✭Eire Go Brach


    I don't blame the residents at all. In fact I'd like to see Aiken and the Gaa punished in some way. But I would like to see the concerts go ahead.

    Maybe agree to it. But no more concerts till 2017. As in there allocation is used up. Even not allowing the special thing they have for 2016.


  • #6189
    Buzz Killington the third
    Closed Accounts Posts: 937 ✭✭✭Buzz Killington the third


    Reformed Character wrote: »
    The facts as things stand:
    The decision of Dublin City Council cannot be rescinded, reviewed, or appealed.
    The Government have stated they will not intervene.
    Any new application for a licence must be made at least 10 weeks before an event can be held.
    Consequently the ball is in Aiken and Brooks court, they can have three concerts or no concerts, its up to them and them alone.

    High court can over rule and grant a license.


  • #6190
    jack presley
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    Buzz Killington the third wrote: »
    High court can over rule and grant a license.

    If legally, DCC have done something wrong. I don't know if they have or not but not agreeing with the decision and wanting the gigs to go ahead are not legal grounds for appeal.


  • #6191
    Umaro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,561 ✭✭✭Umaro


    Larry Wildman wrote: »
    Hopefully common sense will prevail soon and all five concerts will go ahead.

    There are sinister forces at work here.

    If common sense were to actually prevail, the following would've happened:
    - Aiken ask the GAA for 5 concerts above and beyond the quota of 3
    - the GAA say "leave it with us, we'll talk to the residents"
    - the residents, pleased to be consulted, say "5 in one week is too many" compromised it down to 2
    - Aiken apply for 2 licences, having done their due diligence
    - Aiken start selling tickets

    Unfortunately nobody from the GAA or Aiken could be bothered about common sense and the little people, so now they're screwed.

    Yet somehow they still ended up with 3 of the 5 concerts that they never should have got - and it's a lack of common sense from Garth Brooks that now threatens to derail those 3 concerts.

    The arrogance is astounding.


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  • #6192
    Buzz Killington the third
    Closed Accounts Posts: 937 ✭✭✭Buzz Killington the third


    jack presley wrote: »
    If legally, DCC have done something wrong. I don't know if they have or not but not agreeing with the decision and wanting the gigs to go ahead are not legal grounds for appeal.

    It's nothing to do with doing something wrong. DCC can't legally go back on their decision, they can apply to the high court though to over rule it if they want it changed.


  • #6193
    sparkynash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 142 ✭✭sparkynash


    I agree.peter Aiken should have got the licence first before promoting the event instead he assumed he would get it,he assumed wrong and now its backfired on him.i for one believe croke park should only be for sporting events not over the hill country singers.


  • #6194
    jack presley
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    Umaro wrote: »

    The arrogance is astounding.

    That's what I've been saying all along. The fact that Aiken didn't see 5 gigs being a problem and that he was shocked by the refusal of all 5 licences shows a total lack of appreciation of the situation with the residents totally backs up what you're saying.


  • #6195
    Steam Roller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 153 ✭✭Steam Roller


    jack presley wrote: »
    If legally, DCC have done something wrong. I don't know if they have or not but not agreeing with the decision and wanting the gigs to go ahead are not legal grounds for appeal.

    Didnt they take all the objections into consideration? Some of them forged. Can that go to court?


  • #6196
    jack presley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,687 ✭✭✭✭jack presley


    Buzz Killington the third wrote: »
    It's nothing to do with doing something wrong. DCC can't legally go back on their decision, they can apply to the high court though to over rule it if they want it changed.

    Sorry, thought you meant Aiken appealing the decision. Didn't realise you meant DCC applying to overrule their own decision. Would be a major climbdown if the y did and yer man Keegan seems pretty stubborn


  • #6197
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    Buzz Killington the third wrote: »
    High court can over rule and grant a license.

    I think all the high court can do is rule that something in the decision making process was wrong and send it back to DCC to decide again - the high court can't make the decision for them.

    Anyway, I believe that there is a documentary being made about the concerts. We're now at that cliff hanger moment where it looks like all is lost before they make a last minute decision to go ahead with three gigs and everyone lives happily ever after...


  • #6198
    Buzz Killington the third
    Closed Accounts Posts: 937 ✭✭✭Buzz Killington the third


    sparkynash wrote: »
    I agree.peter Aiken should have got the licence first before promoting the event instead he assumed he would get it,he assumed wrong and now its backfired on him.i for one believe croke park should only be for sporting events not over the hill country singers.

    ALL event tickets are sold subject to license, even festivals. It's how it works!


  • #6199
    jack presley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,687 ✭✭✭✭jack presley


    Steam Roller wrote: »
    Didnt they take all the objections into consideration? Some of them forged. Can that go to court?

    Like most people on this thread, I'm just guessing and probably totally wrong but I think the objections are what they consider, not the number of signatures on it.

    And having said they, they could easily argue that they made the decision independent of what was in the submissions. They are professionals who licence gigs/events all the time so are fully aware of the impacts of 5 gigs on a community and made the decision based on their experiences and knowledge of what is involved.


  • #6200
    Buzz Killington the third
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    Phoebas wrote: »
    I think all the high court can do is rule that something in the decision making process was wrong and send it back to DCC to decide again - the high court can't make the decision for them.

    Anyway, I believe that there is a documentary being made about the concerts. We're now at that cliff hanger moment where it looks like all is lost before they make a last minute decision to go ahead with three gigs and everyone lives happily ever after...
    That's what'll happen, and they'll grant the license and Garth Brooke will have his documentary where he beat the powers... It's all publicity.


  • #6201
    jack presley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,687 ✭✭✭✭jack presley


    Phoebas wrote: »

    Anyway, I believe that there is a documentary being made about the concerts. We're now at that cliff hanger moment where it looks like all is lost before they make a last minute decision to go ahead with three gigs and everyone lives happily ever after...

    Ah ha, so it's all part of the script for the Dvd extras. Wouldn't that be great, we're all pawns in GB's masterpiece to make the best concert DVD ever.


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  • #6202
    Reformed Character
    Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Reformed Character


    Buzz Killington the third wrote: »
    High court can over rule and grant a license.

    On what basis?
    DCC followed the law and gave valid, cogent and coherent reasons for their decision.
    The HC could only overturn the decision of DCC if it could be shown that they had not followed the law or it could be shown that their decision was irrational or unreasonable, and that clearly is not the case here.
    If Aiken thought he had a 1% chance of getting the Superior Courts to rule against DCC he would have been in court on Thursday evening, he knows he has no chance.


  • #6203
    Buzz Killington the third
    Closed Accounts Posts: 937 ✭✭✭Buzz Killington the third


    jack presley wrote: »
    Ah ha, so it's all part of the script for the Dvd extras. Wouldn't that be great, we're all pawns in GB's masterpiece to make the best concert DVD ever.

    It was stated during an interview that he previously used footage from Irish concerts to promote his tour because of the audience participation and this was his intention again. At this stage he doesn't need the footage, the publicity is enough.


  • #6204
    jack presley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,687 ✭✭✭✭jack presley


    Buzz Killington the third wrote: »
    That's what'll happen, and they'll grant the license and Garth Brooke will have his documentary where he beat the powers... It's all publicity.

    And that's where the objectors will submit an injunction. They could argue that the concerns that were in the original licence decision are still valid and the DCC had no legal right to change their decision.

    That's what makes Aiken's claims of 'behind the scenes' negotiations interesting. I presume the resident's groups are among the people he is talking to trying to reach some long term agreement to limit the no. of concerts in future years to get them to drop any legal action if DCC change their mind.


  • #6205
    Peppa Pig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,670 ✭✭✭Peppa Pig


    Steam Roller wrote: »
    Didnt they take all the objections into consideration? Some of them forged. Can that go to court?
    An accusation like that can certainly go to court.


  • #6206
    Reformed Character
    Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Reformed Character


    Buzz Killington the third wrote: »
    ALL event tickets are sold subject to license, even festivals. It's how it works!

    The fact that lots of people are taking a chance doesn't make it legal.


  • #6207
    sparkynash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 142 ✭✭sparkynash


    I know how it works lol as does mr Aiken but he should have got the licence first and instead he looked for it last.the entire balls up lies with Peter Aiken.


  • #6208
    Steam Roller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 153 ✭✭Steam Roller


    Galway ocean race in 2012 was over a 9 day period.

    It attracted something like 800,000 visitors, so 88,000 a day. Most of the events were at the docks and is much smaller place.

    How did galway manage an event for 9 days and dublin cant manage 5?


  • #6209
    Reformed Character
    Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Reformed Character


    Buzz Killington the third wrote: »
    That's what'll happen, and they'll grant the license and Garth Brooke will have his documentary where he beat the powers... It's all publicity.
    The HC can't grant a licence, they can only rule as to whether DCC's decision is valid.
    You seem to have a lack of understanding as to how the law works.


  • #6210
    jack presley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,687 ✭✭✭✭jack presley


    Steam Roller wrote: »
    Galway ocean race in 2012 was over a 9 day period.

    It attracted something like 800,000 visitors, so 88,000 a day. Most of the events were at the docks and is much smaller place.

    How did galway manage an event for 9 days and dublin cant manage 5?

    Dublin probably could manage 5. But it would require a promoter liaising with local residents and the local council and ensuring that all concerns and issues are addressed and a valid licence application is submitted.


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  • #6211
    Reformed Character
    Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Reformed Character


    Steam Roller wrote: »
    Galway ocean race in 2012 was over a 9 day period.

    It attracted something like 800,000 visitors, so 88,000 a day. Most of the events were at the docks and is much smaller place.

    How did galway manage an event for 9 days and dublin cant manage 5?

    Is the Galway docks in a heavily built up residential area?
    Were they having huge concerts every night?
    Compare like with like.


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