Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

paddyirish23 · 05-07-2014 06:59PM

I can safely say I'll never be going to Dublin for another concert ever again and I can see plenty of ppl feeling the same if this gets cancelled bad planning by everyone involved end of.

Overheal · 05-07-2014 06:59PM

Lingua Franca wrote: »

I saw someone on a news site actually blaming

Yes, the nose-out-of-joint Garth Brooks fans don't believe in Croke Park residents, even when they're blaming them for the failings of the GAA and Aiken promotions.

Yeah... I pick out that kind of Spin really easily: I'm an American. You haven't HEARD political punditry and spin until you've listen to some of our shyte. Like, wow. Hannity's 3 hour rant about the Koran on the way to New York a couple years ago? Let's just say I was NOT in control of the radio knob.

Fred Swanson · 05-07-2014 07:05PM

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tigger123 · 05-07-2014 07:08PM

paddyirish23 wrote: »

I can safely say I'll never be going to Dublin for another concert ever again and I can see plenty of ppl feeling the same if this gets cancelled bad planning by everyone involved end of.

Please don't make promises you''ve no intention of keeping.

Tarzana · 05-07-2014 07:09PM

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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On the three permitted gigs?

tigger123 · 05-07-2014 07:10PM

Fred Swanson wrote: »

Aiken will make a final decision.

On what?

Jamsiek · 05-07-2014 07:11PM

paddyirish23 wrote: »

I can safely say I'll never be going to Dublin for another concert ever again and I can see plenty of ppl feeling the same if this gets cancelled bad planning by everyone involved end of.

Where else in Ireland could you go to gigs?
Not many other choices unless you leave the country

ThisRegard · 05-07-2014 07:11PM

paddyirish23 wrote: »

I can safely say I'll never be going to Dublin for another concert ever again and I can see plenty of ppl feeling the same if this gets cancelled bad planning by everyone involved end of.

It's alright, Paddy English man and Paddy Scots man will still go.

Tigger · 05-07-2014 07:12PM

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller wrote: »

Good Lord.

Gerry "sings" If Tomorrow Never Comes..

http://www.newstalk.ie/Listen:-Gerry-Adams-sings-his-favourite-Garth-Brooks-song

can't open link but i assume its friends in low places?

Reformed Character · 05-07-2014 07:12PM

paddyirish23 wrote: »

I can safely say I'll never be going to Dublin for another concert ever again and I can see plenty of ppl feeling the same if this gets cancelled bad planning by everyone involved end of.

Ahhh Jezus , we'll miss ya , honest we will:P

oppenheimer1 · 05-07-2014 07:13PM

ThisRegard wrote: »

Is there any populist crap they won't jump on? And they're the first to whinge about political interference and the days of the brown envelopes when it came to planning matters.

Doesn't matter that they control the council though, they can't over turn the decision.

I'd put money that there will be a judicial review though and the concerts (all five) will go ahead. There is too much money and reputational damage for the tourist industry at stake here for anything other than this to happen.

There will probably be a moratorium on concerts in Croker Park for a year or two afterwards though.

Lingua Franca · 05-07-2014 07:23PM

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

Some of the most vocal "residents" don't live next nor near croke park. Some of them just have an axe to grind with the GAA for whatever reason, nothing else.

A wild nose-out-of-joint Garth fan appears!

darkpagandeath · 05-07-2014 07:25PM

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

I'd put money that there will be a judicial review though and the concerts (all five) will go ahead. There is too much money and reputational damage for the tourist industry at stake here for anything other than this to happen.

There will probably be a moratorium on concerts in Croker Park for a year or two afterwards though.

Would not be surprised if any previous agreement was ruled null and void, As it does not take into account demand and changing circumstances. Like everything else things change over time and need to be either re negotiated or changed completely.

Fred Swanson · 05-07-2014 07:25PM

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Titzon Toast · 05-07-2014 07:27PM

Larry Wildman wrote: »

"Lockdown"

Seriously?

We're not talking about Nazi Germany. What about the upsides? Free tickets and the ability to have BBQs and drinks for family and friends attending the concerts...

Utter gombeenery - The fingerprints of Sinn Fein / IRA and angry working class gasbaggers are all over this debacle.

You haven't got a clue what you're talking about do you? You've obviously never been to a late night gig in Croke Park before because you don't seem to understand the real disruption that 5 gigs in a row would cause to the people that live there.
And for the 100th time.
There are NO free tickets.

oppenheimer1 · 05-07-2014 07:31PM

Reformed Character wrote: »

Actually it is the original planning permission that is the issue, and that is the Planning Permission that the greedy bástards in the GAA agreed to, thinking their Political wing (FF) would remain in power forever and change the goalposts to suit them at a later date!

I'm getting tired of this greedy GAA line. Is it really greed when almost all the money raised by the GAA goes back to clubs across the country?

Its not as if the lads in the stadium are pocketing the money themselves.

K4t · 05-07-2014 07:32PM

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

I'd put money that there will be a judicial review though and the concerts (all five) will go ahead. There is too much money and reputational damage for the tourist industry at stake here for anything other than this to happen.

Hahaha.

I love how it's implied that a few hundred thousand people had money stashed away for possible Garth Brooks tickets and that they wouldn't spend their disposable income on a million other things anyway. Income which would be mostly spent outside of Dublin too, benefiting the whole economy and not just the capital.

As for the 'reputation' and tourist argument, nonsense. In a year's time, nobody is going to be harking on about a few cancelled Garth Brooks concerts. And most of the ticket holders are Irish anyway. So called experts place far too much emphasis and importance on emotions and reputation when it comes to economics and demand. Investors will invest when they see a good return and reward, regardless of whether Garth Brooks doesn't get his drive for five.

Delighted at the decision, could only be more sweet if the President himself issued a statement kindly asking Mr Brooks to F**k off back to Vegas if he ain't happy.

end of the road · 05-07-2014 07:32PM

Phoebas wrote: »

Not someone. The gig promoters should learn a lesson from this and get their permissions in order before they sell tickets.

there is no lesson for the promotors to learn, they did what is common practice and has been for years. certainly changing event planning legislation to have the licences granted before tickets are sold is probably the way forward, but the promotors did what they have been doing for years with no issue

Snake · 05-07-2014 07:35PM

The line about asking him to pick dates would be like asking him to pick children made me throw up.

Reformed Character · 05-07-2014 07:37PM

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

I'd put money that there will be a judicial review though and the concerts (all five) will go ahead. There is too much money and reputational damage for the tourist industry at stake here for anything other than this to happen.

There will probably be a moratorium on concerts in Croker Park for a year or two afterwards though.

I'll take that bet.
There are no grounds for Judicial review, and even if they could convince a judge to grant one there is no way they will get an interim injunction against the DCC restraining them from refusing to grant the licences.

Kangoo Man · 05-07-2014 07:40PM

I'm not a Garth Brooks fan, but he's planning on doing a DVD and documentary about his concerts in Ireland which would reach a worldwide audience. I think mistakes were with the planning of these concerts, but cancelling some of the concerts now is only going to inconvenience a lot of people and will be a huge missed opportunity for Ireland Inc.

Podge83 · 05-07-2014 07:40PM

paddyirish23 wrote: »

I can safely say I'll never be going to Dublin for another concert ever again and I can see plenty of ppl feeling the same if this gets cancelled bad planning by everyone involved end of.

I often say i'll never drink again....

Reformed Character · 05-07-2014 07:41PM

end of the road wrote: »

there is no lesson for the promotors to learn, they did what is common practice and has been for years. certainly changing event planning legislation to have the licences granted before tickets are sold is probably the way forward, but the promotors did what they have been doing for years with no issue

They chanced their arm in the name of greed.
Well boyo we have moved on from the "greed is good", and "I have friends in FF places" culture that destroyed the country.
They thought they could blackmail DCC and the State, well they were wrong and if fat Garth doesn't like it he can fúk right off, this city and this state are no longer for sale to highest bidder.

oppenheimer1 · 05-07-2014 07:42PM

K4t wrote: »

Hahaha.

I love how it's implied that a few hundred thousand people had money stashed away for possible Garth Brooks tickets and that they wouldn't spend their disposable income on a million other things anyway. Income which would be mostly spent outside of Dublin too, benefiting the whole economy and not just the capital.

As for the 'reputation' and tourist argument, nonsense. In a year's time, nobody is going to be harking on about a few cancelled Garth Brooks concerts. And most of the ticket holders are Irish anyway. So called experts place far too much emphasis and importance on emotions and reputation when it comes to economics and demand. Investors will invest when they see a good return and reward, regardless of whether Garth Brooks doesn't get his drive for five.

Delighted at the decision, could only be more sweet if the President himself issued a statement kindly asking Mr Brooks to F**k off back to Vegas if he ain't happy.

Its not correct to say that the money not spent at the cancelled gigs would be spent in the Irish economy anyway, since it is so easy to import goods and services. For example, when you spend €20 on a taxi or €20 on an imported sweater, which has the greater benefit for the Irish economy?

The damage to Ireland's reputation for hosting international events would be large. If we can't manage to organise a couple of concerts how could Ireland ever hope to attract major European sports or other events to the country? While this fiasco means nothing to the wider world, its huge for those in event management.

Reformed Character · 05-07-2014 07:42PM

Kangoo Man wrote: »

I'm not a Garth Brooks fan, but he's planning on doing a DVD and documentary about his concerts in Ireland which would reach a worldwide audience. I think mistakes were with the planning of these concerts, but cancelling some of the concerts now is only going to inconvenience a lot of people and will be a huge missed opportunity for Ireland Inc.

The only one threatening to cancel concerts is fatboy Brooks himself!

Titzon Toast · 05-07-2014 07:47PM

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

Its not correct to say that the money not spent at the cancelled gigs would be spent in the Irish economy anyway, since it is so easy to import goods and services. For example, when you spend €20 on a taxi or €20 on an imported sweater, which has the greater benefit for the Irish economy?

The damage to Ireland's reputation for hosting international events would be damaged. If we can't manage to organise a couple of concerts how could Ireland ever hope to attract major European sports or other events to the country? While this fiasco means nothing to the wider world, its huge for those in event management.

Sensationalise much? Ireland's reputation won't even be slighted dented internationally. Most people in the the civilised world would laugh at the thought of a cancelled GB concert believe me.
Also, it's not a couple of concerts, it's 5.
5>2

Podge83 · 05-07-2014 07:49PM

I'd say the amount of running around, meetings , DCC thinking "what have we done", cajoling, panicking, and rewriting things going on behind the scenes is unbelievable. At least the Dail hasn't split yet so that they don't have to be recalled to ratify whatever they have to to make the concerts go ahead!

Hope it doesn't turn out that we are being ruled by another GB

Oh, and I hope they don't damaged the Hill with their stage!!

Up The Dubs

Lingua Franca · 05-07-2014 07:51PM

Only Aiken Promotion's reputation will have been damaged. Who'd want to work with them after that?

oppenheimer1 · 05-07-2014 07:51PM

Reformed Character wrote: »

I'll take that bet.
There are no grounds for Judicial review, and even if they could convince a judge to grant one there is no way they will get an interim injunction against the DCC restraining them from refusing to grant the licences.

The amount of money involved for the hotel sector alone is colossal, this single set of concerts is probably worth more to the Dublin hotels than the two years of reduced vat.
If it does happen that no legal way can be found to allow the concerts to go ahead, you can be sure that any new legislation will clip the wings of city managers, with ministers having the final say.

Santa Cruz · 05-07-2014 07:52PM

paddyirish23 wrote: »

I can safely say I'll never be going to Dublin for another concert ever again and I can see plenty of ppl feeling the same if this gets cancelled bad planning by everyone involved end of.

I wasn't going but if I was I would never go again. Does that make sense?

Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

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