SSM Referendum Spring 2015

Muise... · 03-07-2014 05:45PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Why would any self respecting human being want to get married in a church who despise her?

We're not voting about church weddings. Did you really think we were?

Lyaiera · 03-07-2014 05:48PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Give unto Caesar what is Caesars...not sure marriage is Caesars...

So you do understand what is meant by that. You'll also remember that Jesus was crucified with a crown of thorns as he was "The King of the Jews." And in response he said his kingdom was the kingdom of heaven, not one on earth.

One of the foundations of your religion is that political life and church life is separate and yet you ignore one of the core tenets of the religion. The only place supposed to have religious rule is the Vatican as that was mandated by Jesus directly to Peter. Separate to that church life and civil life were to be separate.

But sure. Keep ignoring that.

Iwasfrozen · 03-07-2014 05:48PM

_Redzer_ wrote: »

Such fúcking arrogance

No pragmatism. What's the point in getting depressed about something you can't have.

My advice to her would be get a civil partnership for now and then get married when the law changes.

Hanging your happiness on a referendum that may not even pass is not an enviable position to be in.

_Redzer_ · 03-07-2014 05:52PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

No pragmatism. What's the point in getting depressed about something you can't have.

My advice to her would be get a civil partnership for now and then get married when the law changes.

Hanging your happiness on a referendum that may not even pass is not an enviable position to be in.

You're really missing the point aren't you?

It's not even a hard point to understand to make matters worse.

Lyaiera · 03-07-2014 05:53PM

AlanS181824 wrote: »

I hope there's also a referendum for trans rights.

Changing official gender, name changes and the like.

It's not needed. That'll all be done via legislation without the need for a referendum. The gay marriage referendum will stop trans people from having to divorce their partners though. There's married couples where one of the couple is transitioning and to get their gender recognised they'll have to divorce their partner, even if they're happy with each other, so as not to create a "gay marriage." If the gay marriage referendum goes through it'll mean happily married couples can stay happily married. That along with issues with marriage for intersex people is why a lot of people describe same sex marriage and gay marriage as a "marriage equality" issue rather than those terms.

_Redzer_ · 03-07-2014 05:55PM

AlanS181824 wrote: »

Seriously? Then why haven't they yet?

Really hope they're priorities for them.

No balls

Iwasfrozen · 03-07-2014 06:01PM

_Redzer_ wrote: »

You're really missing the point aren't you?

It's not even a hard point to understand to make matters worse.

You mean I'm missing the point that you're trying to make.

I'm bang on target with my own point.

_Redzer_ wrote: »

No balls

Considering the topic that's pretty funny.

floggg · 03-07-2014 06:03PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Why would any self respecting human being want to get married in a church who despise her?

Oh dear lord. Marriage doesn't have to be in a church.

This referendum is about civil marriage and what the state recognises. Religious marriage is completely unaffected.

Muise... · 03-07-2014 06:07PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

You mean I'm missing the point that you're trying to make.

I'm bang on target with my own point.

Considering the topic that's pretty funny.

No, you miss the point that campaigning for a yes vote in this referendum is not "getting depressed over something you can't have"; on the contrary, it's putting up a good fight for civil rights.

P_1 · 03-07-2014 06:08PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Why would any self respecting human being want to get married in a church who despise her?

State marriage =/= church marriage for the umpteenth bloody time

shruikan2553 · 03-07-2014 06:09PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Under God we are all equal, it doesn't mean men can give birth to babies, one can marry the same sex, one can take human life, sleep around or whatever but we should treat others with respect.

If you are a Catholic and following you faith, though people like Enda Kenny make a joke of it (after watching him on the meaning of life) you can receive the Eucharist.

Men cant give birth because of a biological reason. Nothing can be changed about that.
One cant marry the same sex because of the law. A law which can be changed and cause no harm to others.
One can take a life it is just punished by law as it is something which reduces anothers quality of life severely.
One can sleep around as much as they want.
And yet you dont treat homosexuals with respect by forcing your opinion on them despite it not having any affect on your life.

So not everyone can take the eucharist, you have to be a catholic.

Jester252 · 03-07-2014 06:11PM

No to sure how/will I vote depends on the campaigns and hpw they interact with me.

_Redzer_ · 03-07-2014 06:12PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

You mean I'm missing the point that you're trying to make.

I'm bang on target with my own point.

Considering the topic that's pretty funny.

You're basically saying stop being depressed about something you can't have, get over it and settle for these other half assed alternatives.

It reeks of arrogance and ignorance, and that's purely because it's easy for you to say that when you've all the rights and you never had to bother your ass fighting for them.

As long as I'm a second class citizen for no justifiable reason I'll never shut up about my absent rights. Nor should I.

If we all were to submit and settle instead of fighting and standing up for yourselves, homosexuality would still be illegal here.

J_E · 03-07-2014 06:16PM

Jester252 wrote: »

No to sure how/will I vote depends on the campaigns and hpw they interact with me.

Are you looking for something in particular to convince you? Not sure what your conditions mean.

eviltwin · 03-07-2014 06:26PM

Jester252 wrote: »

No to sure how/will I vote depends on the campaigns and hpw they interact with me.

Interested to hear why you're on the fence. Are there any specific concerns you have?

shane7218 · 03-07-2014 06:28PM

How anyone could vote no to this amazes me. You are voting against fellow humans being happy and enjoying their life's with a person they love. You should be ASHAMED

floggg · 03-07-2014 06:50PM

Jester252 wrote: »

No to sure how/will I vote depends on the campaigns and hpw they interact with me.

If you are genuinely undecided and have specific queries and concerns ask and we'll be happy to provide answers.

I'd just say though that this is something which can have a very big impact on my life and relationship as well as every other LGBT person in Ireland, not to mention the massive positive message that it would send to LGBT youth.

So I would really urge you to vote, and to consider the massive good a yes vote can do.

Nodin · 03-07-2014 06:57PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

You mean I'm missing the point that you're trying to make.

I'm bang on target with my own point.

...advising somebody to go abroad and get married, then come back to a state that doesn't recognise such marriages?

hoodwinked · 03-07-2014 07:05PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

She has options. She can go abroad to get married or she can have a civil partnership.

No offense but what little girl dreams of growing up and having a civil partnership?

not quite the same thing tbh,

as for going abroad? again, why should i be able to have a local wedding, with all my family and friends there most of whom had work that day and wouldn't be able to go if it was abroad?? while she's stuck with a "whoever can afford to go" scenario,

what if she wants to get married overlooking the beautiful cork coastline she grew up with? as opposed in some other strange country? we can give her, her dream, her wish, if we vote yes,

what does voting no achieve other than to stop girls (and guys) like her having a happy celebration of their relationships surrounded by home, followed by a long and happy marriage?

voting yes means we will not change our lives our dreams, but we can give others theirs!

shane7218 · 03-07-2014 07:08PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

She has options. She can go abroad to get married or she can have a civil partnership.

Do you see her as somehow inferior ???? ... Should she not be allowed celebrate her love and have it recognised like everyone else ? Does she not deserve to be happy ??

eviltwin · 03-07-2014 07:10PM

What I find really sad is that this week we hear the gov want to raise the legal age of marriage to 18. It's 16 at the moment. Image - two children are in a position to marry once the state allows it but two mature adults can't just because they happen to be the same sex. It's ridiculous and needs to change.

Annasopra · 03-07-2014 07:24PM

AlanS181824 wrote: »

I have a transgender friend and as far as I'm aware you can't legally change your gender in Ireland.

Maybe I'm wrong and you can?

That's great news if you can.

You cant yet but a constitutional referendum is not needed to change the law.

Annasopra · 03-07-2014 07:27PM

AlanS181824 wrote: »

Seriously? Then why haven't they yet?

Really hope they're priorities for them.

Its happening

Annasopra · 03-07-2014 07:28PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Why would any self respecting human being want to get married in a church who despise her?

A registry office even? This is not about religious marriage!

Annasopra · 03-07-2014 07:30PM

_Redzer_ wrote: »

No balls

Rolleyes

Nemeses · 03-07-2014 07:48PM

Same sex marriage. Go for it, Who are we to stop two people to be miserable in a marriage ( some quote somewhere I read. thought it summed it up nicely.)

Transgender marriage - Something doesn't settle right there.

Muise... · 03-07-2014 07:51PM

Nemeses wrote: »

Transgender marriage - Something doesn't settle right there.

Why not? If two people love each other and one or both are trans, I'd say they've already settled it so let them settle down together.

Amirani · 03-07-2014 07:53PM

Nemeses wrote: »

Same sex marriage. Go for it, Who are we to stop two people to be miserable in a marriage ( some quote somewhere I read. thought it summed it up nicely.)

Transgender marriage - Something doesn't settle right there.

What's the difference? Neither affects you, both allow others to be happy. What's the problem?

Nemeses · 03-07-2014 08:01PM

Biology is the problem.

You're now taking DNA which is either Male or Female. What is a transgender. A male that transforms to a female is still a Male by biology. (If that makes sense)

That doesn't sit right with me. Just like plastic surgery doesn't sit right with me unless its to help rebuild something that been destroyed ie a car accident etc

After all, thats my opinion really. Yup, Still doesn't affect me in the slightest.

I personally believe marriage is a load of BS anyway. I mean if you love someone then so be it. I don't need to pay a priest or administration office to tell me so.

eviltwin · 03-07-2014 08:05PM

Nemeses wrote: »

Biology is the problem.

You're now taking DNA which is either Male or Female. What is a transgender. A male that transforms to a female is still a Male by biology. (If that makes sense)

That doesn't sit right with me. Just like plastic surgery doesn't sit right with me unless its to help rebuild something that been destroyed ie a car accident etc

After all, thats my opinion really. Yup, Still doesn't affect me in the slightest.

I personally believe marriage is a load of BS anyway. I mean if you love someone then so be it. I don't need to pay a priest or administration office to tell me so.

For a transgender person changing sex is as important to their mental health as the plastic surgery is to someone with a serious disfigurement. It's not something cosmetic. Why deny them a right to marry due to what is essentially a birth defect.

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