SSM Referendum Spring 2015

Nodin

RobertKK wrote: »

Claims of all (..)and committed religious believers are bigots.

We've been down that rabbit-hole Robert, and its been explained to you. Feel free to consider yourself a martyr, however.

Now - What lies have the "yes" side said about the consequences of the referendum gay marriage being approved or disapproved?

I Heart Internet

P_1 wrote: »

The 'you're being morally superior to me so f you because of that' attitude?

Yep. That one.

RobertKK

shruikan2553 wrote: »

Does your religion treat homosexuals as equals?
If not then it is calling a spade a spade.

I can be a member of a religion that thinks non white people inferior and people will call me racist because of my religious beliefs!

Yes it treats homosexuals as equal, all allowed to receive the Eucharist.

All lay people are equal.

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shruikan2553 wrote: »

Does your religion treat homosexuals as equals?
If not then it is calling a spade a spade.

I can be a member of a religion that thinks non white people inferior and people will call me racist because of my religious beliefs!

Scripture has been quoted to justify slavery, child-beating, and depriving women of the vote. It's amazing the bigotry you can justify through just following the Bible's orders.

Muise...

P_1 wrote: »

I'm going to presume that young Robert is referring to another attempt at a jump down the 'what is homophobia and who can call somebody out on it' rabbithole to be honest.

yeah, I'm not falling for that one again, after getting a yellow card for potentially offending a poor ickle H-bomb.

Delirium

RobertKK wrote: »

Yes it treats homosexuals as equal, all allowed to receive the Eucharist.

All lay people are equal.

Can homosexuals receive all of the sacraments?

RobertKK

Nodin wrote: »

We've been down that rabbit-hole Robert, and its been explained to you. Feel free to consider yourself a martyr, however.

Now - What lies have the "yes" side said about the consequences of the referendum gay marriage being approved or disapproved?

Funny we were down this rabbit hole when this is the first time I fully posted about this incident.

It is lies to say religious people are bigots.

It is highly wrong to tell people shouldn't vote.

I Heart Internet

SW wrote: »

Can homosexuals receive all of the sacraments?

In the RCC, yes.

Nodin

RobertKK wrote: »

Yes it treats homosexuals as equal, all allowed to receive the Eucharist.

All lay people are equal.

Robert - What lies have the "yes" side said about the consequences of the referendum gay marriage being approved or disapproved?

shruikan2553

RobertKK wrote: »

Yes it treats homosexuals as equal, all allowed to receive the Eucharist.

All lay people are equal.

So then voting no goes against your religious beliefs? If homosexuals are equal then they should be treated the same as everyone else.

Can I receive the Eucharist? I thought you had to be a Christian for it.

RobertKK

SW wrote: »

Can homosexuals receive all of the sacraments?

No, nor can I as I am not going for the priesthood, but former president Mary McAleese said a lot of priests are gay.

hoodwinked

RobertKK wrote: »

I am sure the listeners were astounded as I was in reply to a text I had sent in, which said people of committed religious belief and who don't hate anyone will vote no, as I would be doing.

that is not true,

My husband is committed to his religion, and he doesn't hate anyone, he is voting yes, as he knows enough to know, he believes what he believes but he has the power to vote yes and let other people choose marriage in their life.

P_1

RobertKK wrote: »

Funny we were down this rabbit hole when this is the first time I fully posted about this incident.

It is lies to say religious people are bigots.

It is highly wrong to tell people shouldn't vote.

In that case Robert I would agree with you, we do live in a democracy and telling somebody that they shouldn't vote is a big no-no. Telling somebody that they feel that it's the wrong decision for you to vote in a certain way is fine though. Sadly quite a lot of people have yet to learn that particular skill.

Delirium

I Heart Internet wrote: »

In the RCC, yes.

a same-sex couple can receive the sacrament of marriage?

RobertKK wrote: »

No, nor can I as I am not going for the priesthood, but former president Mary McAleese said a lot of priests are gay.

nor can they marry. So a same-sex couple are not regarded as equal to a heterosexual couple. Church can make the rules it sees fit but it clearly doesn't view all as equal.

Muise...

RobertKK wrote: »

Funny we were down this rabbit hole when this is the first time I fully posted about this incident.

It is lies to say religious people are bigots.

It is highly wrong to tell people shouldn't vote.

One person said this, their opinion, to you on the radio. Now I know it was terribly, terribly embarrassing for you (and I LOLled like a big gay hyena :pac:), but it's hardly the same as actually being prohibited by law from exercising your rights - as gay people are regarding marriage, now is it?

Legs.Eleven

hoodwinked wrote: »

that is not true,

My husband is committed to his religion, and he doesn't hate anyone, he is voting yes, as he knows enough to know, he believes what he believes but he has the power to vote yes and let other people choose marriage in their life.

My stepmother is so committed to her religion that she was a nun-in-training for 6 months in her younger days but she will be voting yes. My sister, also Catholic, will be voting yes as well. This is not as clear cut as some people think. Plenty of Catholics will be voting yes.

RobertKK

shruikan2553 wrote: »

So then voting no goes against your religious beliefs? If homosexuals are equal then they should be treated the same as everyone else.

Can I receive the Eucharist? I thought you had to be a Christian for it.

Under God we are all equal, it doesn't mean men can give birth to babies, one can marry the same sex, one can take human life, sleep around or whatever but we should treat others with respect.

If you are a Catholic and following you faith, though people like Enda Kenny make a joke of it (after watching him on the meaning of life) you can receive the Eucharist.

I Heart Internet

SW wrote: »

a same-sex couple can receive the sacrament of marriage?

No. A same-sex couple can't receive the sacrament of marriage becasue that is not what the sacrament of marriage is. But all seven sacraments are open to all people in the world, should they wish to prepare for and pursue them.

Baptism
Communion
Confirmation
Confession
Marriage
Holy Orders
Annointing of the Sick/Last Rites

They are there for all of us, should we wish to benefit from them. The same rules apply for all of us.

Edit: But, this is potentially confusing matters, as it is civil marriage we are speaking about here.

RobertKK

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

My stepmother is so committed to her religion that she was a nun-in-training for 6 months in her younger days but she will be voting yes. My sister, also Catholic, will be voting yes as well. This is not as clear cut as some people think. Plenty of Catholics will be voting yes.

Enda Kenny said he is Catholic too, but he doesn't believe Jesus was the son of God...or God for that matter.

jimgoose

RobertKK wrote: »

Enda Kenny said he is Catholic too, but he doesn't believe Jesus was the son of God...or God for that matter.

That's because he's a blithering idiot. This is the central tenet not merley of Catholicism, but Christianity! :pac:

RobertKK

Muise... wrote: »

One person said this, their opinion, to you on the radio. Now I know it was terribly, terribly embarrassing for you (and I LOLled like a big gay hyena :pac:), but it's hardly the same as actually being prohibited by law from exercising your rights - as gay people are regarding marriage, now is it?

It wasn't embarrassing for me, but when the regular presenter of the show came back the following week, he was surprised to hear what a person had said on his show while he was away...a show that has listeners in the six figures mark.

I think it was concerning for the regular host of the program that his listeners were being called names while he was away.

Muise...

RobertKK wrote: »

It wasn't embarrassing for me, but when the regular presenter of the show came back the following week, he was surprised to hear what a person had said on his show while he was away...a show that has listeners in the six figures mark.

I think it was concerning for the regular host of the program that his listeners were being called names while he was away.

Ah you'll have to give us a link to this. For the auto-tuned gay anthem like!

Delirium

I Heart Internet wrote: »

No. A same-sex couple can't receive the sacrament of marriage becasue that is not what the sacrament of marriage is. But all seven sacraments are open to all people in the world, should they wish to prepare for and pursue them.

Baptism
Communion
Confirmation
Confession
Marriage
Holy Orders
Annointing of the Sick/Last Rites

They are there for all of us, should we wish to benefit from them. The same rules apply for all of us.

Edit: But, this is potentially confusing matters, as it is civil marriage we are speaking about here.

I know how the church defines marriage, that's why I was surprised when it was suggested that all are equal in the church. They clearly aren't as same-sex couples are excluded from marriage.

floggg

RobertKK wrote: »

Claims of all no voters being bigots and homophobic is one.

I was told on national radio, I was a "bigot" for following my religious faith.

I was told on national radio I should not go to the polling station on the day of the referendum if I was voting No. That I did not have the right to vote in the way I intended.

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I am sure the listeners were astounded as I was in reply to a text I had sent in, which said people of committed religious belief and who don't hate anyone will vote no, as I would be doing.

All I got was vile, and told I shouldn't use my democratic right. Yes, a national radio station telling people not to vote...and committed religious believers are bigots.

How many ****ing times.

It's not possible to want to discriminate against gay people and not he homophobic.

There is nothing outlandish in the claim.

If you are uncomfortable being called a homophobe then yhe only solution is to stop doing and saying homophobic things. It's just that simple.

Sorry, but I refuse to allow homophobes to cast themselves as the only victims of homophobia.

RobertKK

hoodwinked wrote: »

that is not true,

My husband is committed to his religion, and he doesn't hate anyone, he is voting yes, as he knows enough to know, he believes what he believes but he has the power to vote yes and let other people choose marriage in their life.

I don't see that as committed, if he believes what he believes but then puts it aside, it shows what he believes has weak foundations.
It is not like Lucinda Creighton who believes what she believes and sacrificed a good job for it, when many in her party put aside beliefs for power and influence within the party.

Delirium

RobertKK wrote: »

I don't see that as committed, if he believes what he believes but then puts it aside, it shows what he believes has weak foundations.
It is not like Lucinda Creighton who believes what she believes and sacrificed a good job for it, when many in her party put aside beliefs for power and influence within the party.

Or the man in question doesn't believe he has the right to impose his religious beliefs on others who may not share his beliefs.

RobertKK

floggg wrote: »

How many ****ing times.

It's not possible to want to discriminate against gay people and not he homophobic.

There is nothing outlandish in the claim.

If you are uncomfortable being called a homophobe then yhe only solution is to stop doing and saying homophobic things. It's just that simple.

Calling people names is outlandish because a person doesn't agree with your views.

I Heart Internet

SW wrote: »

I know how the church defines marriage, that's why I was surprised when it was suggested that all are equal in the church. They clearly aren't as same-sex couples are excluded from marriage.

Well they exclude themselves by definition. The church offers the sacrament as it understands it and beleives is its nature. Neither will they allow me to marry two women.

I'm leaning towards a yes vote (but I'll wait to see the proposed amendment), though, as, even if I don't think people of the same sex can be married, it makes sense that the civil marriage contract be redefined and extended to same-sex couples if they want it.

RobertKK

SW wrote: »

Or the man in question doesn't believe he has the right to impose his religious beliefs on others who may not share his beliefs.

What is the point of having a belief if you don't believe it and do the opposite?

Delirium

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Well they exclude themselves by definition. The church offers the sacrament as it understands it. Neither will they allow me to marry two women.

the feckers! :P

I'm leaning towards a yes vote, though, as, even if I don't think people of the same sex can be married, it makes sense that the civil marriage contract be redefined and extended to same-sex couples if they want it.

That's fair enough. you have your beliefs but aren't going to say that others have to live according to those beliefs.