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Water meter protests

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  • #482
    Tokarev
    Closed Accounts Posts: 161 ✭✭Tokarev


    When the water charges come in a lot of people will be very dirty and some may even die.

    As a lot of folks won't wash their hands after been to the bathroom as it will cost money to wash your hands :eek:.


  • #483
    sdanseo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,276 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    Meters going in around my estate at the moment and thankfully no hippy/scumbag classes round these parts (yet, at least) have made a show of themselves. Any such nonsense is quite simply a parade of morons making a nuisance of themselves and no more or less.

    The idea that a protest could at this stage have any effect is laughable. Let alone the fact that protesting to the workers at the coalface is about as fruitful as protesting to the Pope about it. It's utterly pointless, has no effect only to piss everyone else off, and anyone causing a public obstruction in any manner like this should be arrested and prosecuted to the maximum possible extent allowed by law.
    Tokarev wrote: »
    When the water charges come in a lot of people will be very dirty and some may even die.

    As a lot of folks won't wash their hands after been to the bathroom as it will cost money to wash your hands :eek:.

    Trollop of the highest order. The free allowance might not be anywhere near enough to cover normal usage, but if you were to conserve water to the extent required to stay within the allowance, you'd be able to clean yourself frequently enough to avoid death. You're scaremongering here.


  • #484
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,514 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    sdeire wrote: »
    Meters going in around my estate at the moment and thankfully no hippy/scumbag classes round these parts (yet, at least) have made a show of themselves.

    protesters are scumbags and hippies? thats news to me.
    sdeire wrote: »
    Any such nonsense is quite simply a parade of morons making a nuisance of themselves and no more or less.

    no, its protesting, you may not agree with them and thats fine but its still protesting.
    sdeire wrote: »
    The idea that a protest could at this stage have any effect is laughable. Let alone the fact that protesting to the workers at the coalface is about as fruitful as protesting to the Pope about it.

    i agree with this but still people do feel strongly about this
    sdeire wrote: »
    It's utterly pointless, has no effect only to piss everyone else off

    everyone else? you mean the types who get pissed off everytime someone stands up for something they believe in? i wouldn't worry about them
    sdeire wrote: »
    anyone causing a public obstruction in any manner like this should be arrested and prosecuted to the maximum possible extent allowed by law.

    can't be done, it would cost to much, we need the resources and funding to deal with crimes such as murder rape and so on.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #485
    Lemlin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,256 ✭✭✭✭Lemlin


    Tony EH wrote: »
    No, your stance is based on bitterness, because of the situation you find find YOURSELF in presently.

    Any chance you could respond to the rest of the post, irrespective of what you believe my stance is based on.


  • #486
    SteM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,257 ✭✭✭SteM


    sdeire wrote: »
    Meters going in around my estate at the moment and thankfully no hippy/scumbag classes round these parts (yet, at least) have made a show of themselves. Any such nonsense is quite simply a parade of morons making a nuisance of themselves and no more or less.

    The idea that a protest could at this stage have any effect is laughable. Let alone the fact that protesting to the workers at the coalface is about as fruitful as protesting to the Pope about it. It's utterly pointless, has no effect only to piss everyone else off, and anyone causing a public obstruction in any manner like this should be arrested and prosecuted to the maximum possible extent allowed by law.



    Trollop of the highest order. The free allowance might not be anywhere near enough to cover normal usage, but if you were to conserve water to the extent required to stay within the allowance, you'd be able to clean yourself frequently enough to avoid death. You're scaremongering here.

    Did you get any advance notice that they were going in or did the workers just show up?


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  • #487
    shedweller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭shedweller


    A thought just occured to me recently. What are toy shops etc that sell water based toys like water slides and paddling pools going to do when nobody buys their products?
    There will at least be a drop in sales. It'll be minor enough in the bigger picture but i wont be surprised if i see them crying about it. Just a thought.


  • #488
    No Pants
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,347 ✭✭✭No Pants


    shedweller wrote: »
    A thought just occured to me recently. What are toy shops etc that sell water based toys like water slides and paddling pools going to do when nobody buys their products?
    There will at least be a drop in sales. It'll be minor enough in the bigger picture but i wont be surprised if i see them crying about it. Just a thought.
    The government will announce a grant/subsidy for the Irish water pistol industry. :pac:


  • #489
    shedweller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭shedweller


    No Pants wrote: »
    The government will announce a grant/subsidy for the Irish water pistol industry. :pac:
    Thanks for the belly laugh!


  • #490
    DoesNotCompute
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,375 ✭✭✭DoesNotCompute


    shedweller wrote: »
    A thought just occured to me recently. What are toy shops etc that sell water based toys like water slides and paddling pools going to do when nobody buys their products?
    There will at least be a drop in sales. It'll be minor enough in the bigger picture but i wont be surprised if i see them crying about it. Just a thought.

    Those who choose to use water slides and paddling pools will just have to pay for it.


  • #491
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    DoesNotCompute wrote: »
    Those who choose to use water slides and paddling pools will just have to pay for it.

    There is no point personally trying to save water on this. The more you save the more revenue IW losses, They will keep having to put the price up to compete with people saving water. It's nothing to do with water saving. So therefore using water normally will be the best option. You are going to pay a minimum amount regardless of what you use.


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  • #492
    Buzz Killington the third
    Closed Accounts Posts: 937 ✭✭✭Buzz Killington the third


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    There is no point personally trying to save water on this. The more you save the more revenue IW losses, They will keep having to put the price up to compete with people saving water.

    This is like telling people to stop buying efficient cars because the government will keep raising motor tax to cover the losses.


  • #493
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Buzz Killington the third wrote: »
    This is like telling people to stop buying efficient cars because the government will keep raising motor tax to cover the losses.

    No it's not, The government has said many many times it will have to raise the price of water it they cannot generated enough through he current charge. That means any saving made though saving water result in a price hike. It's noting to do with saving water. It’s all about paying for new infra structure and running costs + shareholders.


  • #494
    Buzz Killington the third
    Closed Accounts Posts: 937 ✭✭✭Buzz Killington the third


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    The government has said many many times it will have to raise the price of water it they cannot generated enough through he current charge.

    They'll raise the price anyway, it's inevitable. But people can still limit the amount they pay if they save.


  • #495
    DoesNotCompute
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,375 ✭✭✭DoesNotCompute


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    There is no point personally trying to save water on this. The more you save the more revenue IW losses, They will keep having to put the price up to compete with people saving water. It's nothing to do with water saving. So therefore using water normally will be the best option. You are going to pay a minimum amount regardless of what you use.

    Where did I say anything about saving water? I said that people who choose to use their water for such things will have to pony up for it.

    Just like those who choose to have their central heating on 24/7 must accept that they have to pay for it.


  • #496
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Buzz Killington the third wrote: »
    They'll raise the price anyway, it's inevitable. But people can still limit the amount they pay if they save.

    No it won't it will go up faster if people save water. You can limit your own usage too but people on flat charges will not be doing that. Some may even use more water due to there making me pay a flat amount may as well get the benefit.
    DoesNotCompute wrote: »
    Where did I say anything about saving water? I said that people who choose to use their water for such things will have to pony up for it.

    Just like those who choose to have their central heating on 24/7 must accept that they have to pay for it.

    I could have my water on 24/7 if i wanted to and will be paying a flat charge. People with meters will be footing the bill. I won't obviously be doing that but I'm betting people in apartments will soon realise this and just carry on as normal. The more water people save the higher the charge will go up regardless of inflation they have blatantly said they need to fund the company.


  • #497
    micosoft
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,370 ✭✭✭micosoft


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    There is no point personally trying to save water on this. The more you save the more revenue IW losses, They will keep having to put the price up to compete with people saving water. It's nothing to do with water saving. So therefore using water normally will be the best option. You are going to pay a minimum amount regardless of what you use.

    This was explained plenty of times before to you. The population of Ireland is growing. Therefore demand is growing. The savings that existing people make will merely retard the growth of water demand. This saves everybody money.

    It's everything to do with water saving to prevent overall demand increasing and making dishonest claims based on disingenuous scenarios (the population is static) won't change that.


  • #498
    micosoft
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,370 ✭✭✭micosoft


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    No it won't it will go up faster if people save water. You can limit your own usage too but people on flat charges will not be doing that. Some may even use more water due to there making me pay a flat amount may as well get the benefit.



    I could have my water on 24/7 if i wanted to and will be paying a flat charge. People with meters will be footing the bill. I won't obviously be doing that but I'm betting people in apartments will soon realise this and just carry on as normal. The more water people save the higher the charge will go up regardless of inflation they have blatantly said they need to fund the company.

    Again, a disingenuous claim. Apartments are physically limited in potential water usage by not having gardens or the ability to wash cars which are by some margin the biggest unnecessary use of potable water. Trying to pretend apartment owners will have baths instead of showers just to extract maximum value from a standing charge is frankly, a silly article.


  • #499
    micosoft
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,370 ✭✭✭micosoft


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    they have blatantly said they need to fund the company.

    Stop the press! They blatantly said they need to fund the company? Shocking! Can you explain your alternative of... umm not funding the company?


  • #500
    papu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭papu


    micosoft wrote: »
    Stop the press! They blatantly said they need to fund the company? Shocking! Can you explain your alternative of... umm not funding the company?

    Run it like a country.


  • #501
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,947 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    micosoft wrote: »
    Stop the press! They blatantly said they need to fund the company? Shocking! Can you explain your alternative of... umm not funding the company?

    So you agree that as a reward for using less water we should be charged more for the shortfall in tax intake?

    How about instead of upping the price reduce the size of the company as income reduces? You know how a normal company runs?


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  • #502
    sdanseo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,276 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    shedweller wrote: »
    A thought just occured to me recently. What are toy shops etc that sell water based toys like water slides and paddling pools going to do when nobody buys their products?
    There will at least be a drop in sales. It'll be minor enough in the bigger picture but i wont be surprised if i see them crying about it. Just a thought.

    The annual free allowance is 33,000L. A water pistol holds about 1L.

    I doubt the industry will collapse.
    SteM wrote: »
    Did you get any advance notice that they were going in or did the workers just show up?

    1 or 2 week's advance notice in the form of a leaflet, then a notice on Monday saying that work would start within 3 days of a stamped date (24th in our case).

    Disruption has been pretty non-existent, if you're out during the day at least. Had to move the barriers to get the car in the drive then move them back afterwards to block the hole in the ground so nobody cripples themselves.


  • #503
    smellmepower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 829 ✭✭✭smellmepower


    Got the booklet in the door this morning about our water meter coming soon.Say the lads in Clondalkin Garda Station are looking forward to the OT.


  • #504
    shedweller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭shedweller


    sdeire wrote: »
    The annual free allowance is 33,000L. A water pistol holds about 1L.

    I doubt the industry will collapse.

    .
    Thats 90 litres a day. Washing machines, dishwashers, cooking dinner, the bleedin toilet!! Showers etc will make a fair dent in that! (Blow it out of the water tbh!)
    I know i wont be buying toys for the kids that need a garden hose attached!


  • #505
    micosoft
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,370 ✭✭✭micosoft


    papu wrote: »
    Run it like a country.

    Like all the other OECD countries that bill people for the water consumption? Or like a broke little country with a 12 billion deficit.


  • #506
    papu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭papu


    micosoft wrote: »
    Like all the other OECD countries that bill people for the water consumption? Or like a broke little country with a 12 billion deficit.

    Well all countries are in deficit...
    we are just even more so..


  • #507
    micosoft
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,370 ✭✭✭micosoft


    VinLieger wrote: »
    So you agree that as a reward for using less water we should be charged more for the shortfall in tax intake?

    How about instead of upping the price reduce the size of the company as income reduces? You know how a normal company runs?

    And you clearly ignored the obvious point explaining that (wow!) population growth will more then make up for any individual saving in water.

    If Irish Water can serve 5 million customers in 2020 with the same water as 4 million in 2014 then the cost of delivering remains the same but the individual cost of water goes down.

    So no, I don't agree with you. if you use less water you get charged less. The fixed cost of Irish Water will simply be spread across a larger number of customers. If population growth were to remain static or go down, then yes, the cost of supply would go down. But thats not going to happen.

    It's not a particularly hard concept to get now is it?


  • #508
    micosoft
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,370 ✭✭✭micosoft


    papu wrote: »
    Well all countries are in deficit...
    we are just even more so..

    Exactly. At 4.7% of GDP. This is unsustainable and if we don't reduce it as we are we either won't be able to borrow or the interest will shoot up.

    Aside from the moral issue of asking the next generation of taxpayers to pay for our current use of water...


  • #509
    micosoft
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,370 ✭✭✭micosoft


    shedweller wrote: »
    I know i wont be buying toys for the kids that need a garden hose attached!

    And this is why we need water meters. Thank you.


  • #510
    papu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭papu


    micosoft wrote: »
    Exactly. At 4.7% of GDP. This is unsustainable and if we don't reduce it as we are we either won't be able to borrow or the interest will shoot up.

    Aside from the moral issue of asking the next generation of taxpayers to pay for our current use of water...

    I agree with you 100% I've no problems with the metering , and tbh I'm a little embarrassed at the so called protests..


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  • #511
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,228 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    papu wrote: »
    I agree with you 100% I've no problems with the metering , and tbh I'm a little embarrassed at the so called protests..

    Some of them are not "protests" Its vicicious harassment and bullying.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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