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796 children buried in Septic Tank in Galway - ### Mod Warning in 1st Post

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  • #602
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Good man, thanks for the insightful input, i will go off and ponder on what you have said :rolleyes:
    Anything that contains "ask a priest about it" is about as constructive as grubbing about for a dropped penny in a bucket of manure.


  • #603
    StudentDad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭StudentDad


    Red Pepper wrote: »
    Despite the likes of RobertKKK, I do believe this will be the final nail in the coffin of the Roman church in Ireland even though I struggle to understand how people still darken their doors and finance them. We need to get these crimes into our history books to expose the church to our children.


    I grew up in the 80's / 90's. I have children and my siblings also have children. After watching the corruption, atrocities and inhumanity of the RCC in this country and around the world. We have absolutely nothing to do with the church.


    I do not see any form of contrition on the part of the church in these matters. Time after time all sorts of 'excuses' get trotted out and frankly I'm sick of it. What depresses me is that I've known a few good men over the years who happened to be priests. The fact that they were priests was irrelevant they were good men trying to do good.


    When I see the organisation that is the church adopting a defensive, legalistic stance aimed primarily to protect their position and capital, it irritates me further.


    Ultimately time will tell. As more and more people remove the organisation from their lives we will see change for the better.


    SD


  • #604
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,771 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Red Pepper wrote: »
    Despite the likes of RobertKKK, I do believe this will be the final nail in the coffin of the Roman church in Ireland even though I struggle to understand how people still darken their doors and finance them. We need to get these crimes into our history books to expose the church to our children.


    I am no longer posting in this thread. I did nothing wrong.


  • #605
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,742 ✭✭✭✭josip


    RobertKK wrote: »
    I am no longer posting in this thread. I did nothing wrong.

    It's been emotional.


  • #606
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,143 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    Seeing the responses defending the callousness of the RCC is fücking sickening. To the Church's online Schutzstaffel, moral relativity is OK when the Church does it.

    EDIT: And I see RobertKKK has run away rather than confront the horrors his totalitarian Church inflicted upon Ireland. I shudder to think what his ilk would have done to their daughters over 30 years ago if they fell pregnant.


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  • #607
    Red Pepper
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    bumper234 wrote: »
    So you say close all of the churches and then tell some poor 80 year old that she shouldn't pray to god anymore and maybe she should look into one of the other major religions?

    Where did I say she should look into another major religion? Did you even read my post?..."They need to find another way. Another organisation. Let them practice their religion personally or via a new Irish organisation."

    Please separate the organisation/business from the religion before you respond.


  • #608
    Reformed Character
    Closed Accounts Posts: 710 ✭✭✭Reformed Character


    Fighting Irish wrote: »
    I don't see why people are getting so outraged at this, awful thing to happen but what else could have been done and it being so long ago what's the point in an investigation
    You apart from starving and neglecting these children, or do you mean about throwing their corpses into a cesspit?


  • #609
    denhaagenite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,169 ✭✭✭denhaagenite


    Just switched over to the Irish Twitter trends from NL #tuambabies #800babies not even trending. This petition has been up for about 48hrs and hasn't even got 10000 signatures yet, and a lot of the signatures are coming from outside Ireland. We're still at it lads!!http://www.avaaz.org/en/petition/Frances_Fitzgerald_Irish_Minister_for_Justice_and_Equality_A_full_Gardai_investigation_into_the_mass_grave_in_Tuam_Co_Ga/?copy


  • #610
    OldRio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,497 ✭✭✭OldRio


    Tis grand that nobody has jumped to any conclusions on this matter.


  • #611
    same ol sh1te
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭same ol sh1te


    OldRio wrote: »
    Tis grand that nobody has jumped to any conclusions on this matter.

    What conclusions, we have facts, 100 of those 800 babies died of malnourishment as they were taken from their mothers


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  • #612
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    OldRio wrote: »
    Tis grand that nobody has jumped to any conclusions on this matter.
    Babies probably crawled into the septic tank themselves out of shame.


  • #613
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    RobertKK wrote: »
    I am no longer posting in this thread. I did nothing wrong.
    That's what the local parish priest usually says as he's transferred overnight to a foreign mission...


  • #614
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    OldRio wrote: »
    Tis grand that nobody has jumped to any conclusions on this matter.

    The gardai seemed to.


  • #615
    Lingua Franca
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭Lingua Franca


    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    Seeing the responses defending the callousness of the RCC is fücking sickening. To the Church's online Schutzstaffel, moral relativity is OK when the Church does it.

    Some people will be vehemently anti abortion in one thread, asking why the government should be supporting the children of single mothers in another and then ignoring the dead children stuffed into a septic tank to ask why anyone is daring to question the integrity of Catholic institutions in yet another.


  • #616
    I Heart Internet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭I Heart Internet


    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    EDIT: And I see RobertKKK has run away rather than confront the horrors his totalitarian Church inflicted upon Ireland. I shudder to think what his ilk would have done to their daughters over 30 years ago if they fell pregnant.

    Being quite counter-cultural (it seems), he may have bucked the trend at the time and told anyone who wanted to move his daughter into one of these homes to go fock themselves. Maybe...

    It's as easy to go along with church-hating today as it was to do everything the church told you 50 years ago.


  • #617
    jank
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    Resonator75 wrote: »
    So Jank, your fine with this whole thing, I just want to confirm where you stand? The Nuns did every thing in a correct and proper way?

    I have called else where that it should be investigated but forgive me for not jumping on the hysteria bandwagon.


  • #618
    OldRio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,497 ✭✭✭OldRio


    Aye and when all the facts are know I truly hope the perpetrators and their allies are punished. Until then my torch will remain unlit and pitchfork unpitched.


  • #619
    foggy_lad
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    bumper234 wrote: »
    So you say close all of the churches and then tell some poor 80 year old that she shouldn't pray to god anymore and maybe she should look into one of the other major religions?

    I think the state needs to take over the religious orders and take all lands and other assets into the state coffers and then pay priests and vicars etc a dole type of payment and let their followers supplement their income with closest of scrutiny from HSE revenue etc. Only the good will survive.


  • #620
    jank
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭jank


    Resonator75 wrote: »
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state

    I have no idea what this refutes? The US has a huge degree of church and state, yet they have religiously owned and run hospitals...


  • #621
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    I Heart Internet wrote: »
    It's as easy to go along with church-hating today as it was to do everything the church told you 50 years ago.
    It's easy because it's right.


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  • #622
    same ol sh1te
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭same ol sh1te


    OldRio wrote: »
    Aye and when all the facts are know I truly hope the perpetrators and their allies are punished. Until then my torch will remain unlit and pitchfork unpitched.

    We have facts, death certs confirm that 100 of those missing dead children died of malnourishment, this would be because they were removed from their mothers. There was no shortage of food, these houses had their own allotments and cattle. They also received the average industrial wage each for the caring of these children and mothers (even though the mothers were forced to work)


  • #623
    I Heart Internet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭I Heart Internet


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    It's easy because it's right.

    Like it was so unquestionably right 50 years ago to agree with the church? That kind of right?


  • #624
    drumswan
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    I Heart Internet wrote: »
    Like it was so unquestionably right 50 years ago to agree with the church? That kind of right?

    No, the kind of right which says you should oppose systemtic rape, torture and murder of children.


  • #625
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    I Heart Internet wrote: »
    Like it was so unquestionably right 50 years ago to agree with the church? That kind of right?
    No, that was never right.
    Is this confusing you?


  • #626
    Chattastrophe!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,284 ✭✭✭Chattastrophe!


    I Heart Internet wrote: »
    Being quite counter-cultural (it seems), he may have bucked the trend at the time and told anyone who wanted to move his daughter into one of these homes to go fock themselves. Maybe...

    It's as easy to go along with church-hating today as it was to do everything the church told you 50 years ago.

    Most of us don't hate the church. Most of us just don't want anything to do with the church, simple at that. I am not religious, and I do not want any religious organisation to have anything to do with our schools, hospitals etc.

    The only reason that there is so much animosity towards the Catholic church in particular in Ireland (as opposed to any other religion) is because that is the only religious organisation that has a direct impact on our lives.

    Live and let live. I have no problem with others practising Catholicism. Whatever floats their boat. What does piss me off is the fact that all of my local schools are Catholic. It pisses me off that being close to a non-religious school dictates where I can live - religious schools should be an option, not the rule.

    More relevant to the current topic, what really pisses me off is the fact that there is even a question over whether the deaths of several hundred babies needs to be investigated. No wonder this is getting worldwide media attention. It's an absolute disgrace. Can you imagine such a thing being discovered in the UK or America or Australia etc, and the local authorities attempting to cover it up due to the religion of the perpetrators? It's just shocking.


  • #627
    I Heart Internet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭I Heart Internet


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    No, that was never right.
    Is this confusing you?

    Yes. I don't know why you would be so unquestioning about things.


  • #628
    bumper234
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    foggy_lad wrote: »
    I think the state needs to take over the religious orders and take all lands and other assets into the state coffers and then pay priests and vicars etc a dole type of payment and let their followers supplement their income with closest of scrutiny from HSE revenue etc. Only the good will survive.

    This would (i presume) be illegal. Would you agree if they did it with the GAA? I do agree that investigations should take place and if guilt is found then the state could possibly through the CAB seize lands/properties to pay any fines/compensation that is awarded.


  • #629
    jank
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭jank


    Yeah_Right wrote: »
    Just curious but can you name one in NZ? I can't think of any.

    http://www.catholic.org.nz/about/dsp-organisations.cfm?loadref=245


  • #630
    I Heart Internet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭I Heart Internet


    Chattastrophe! wrote: »
    More relevant to the current topic, what really pisses me off is the fact that there is even a question over whether the deaths of several hundred babies needs to be investigated.

    I think it's only Tuam Garda Station that thinks that there needn't be an investigation to be fair!


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  • #631
    same ol sh1te
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭same ol sh1te


    I Heart Internet wrote: »
    I think it's only Tuam Garda Station that thinks that there needn't be an investigation to be fair!

    And the Government who are afraid to open another can of worms


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