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Eliot Rodger and TFL or True Force Loneliness.
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Well it's not as brutal as that. It's more that, it could be just sh-tty luck, but if it's a neverending experience for someone, maybe they need to harness whatever tools they have for doing something to help themselves. That includes seeking help from other people - it doesn't have to be entirely up to the individual.
I can see from personal experience how people can get very wrapped up in rejection and so on. I've had plenty myself but thankfully I can handle it without driving over people or whatever. Unfortunately broaching the subject generally leads to being laughed at, told I'm basing my views on a small sample of people or attempts at placation with platitudes that personal experience don't bear out.0 -
Some of the comments here can be paraphrased as "if you're lonely, it's your own fault". I can imagine that becoming a bit tiresome after a while - to be told "you're doing it wrong, go away", with no follow-up, no constructive advice on how to do it "right". The closest some guys get to "helpful" advice is the pick-up artist (PUA) scene, which is a horror show on its own. :eek:
I'm sure there are plenty of us on these forums that have experienced lonely times. I know I certainly found lonely when I first moved to Dublin to start my career and broke up with my girlfriend of the time shortly afterwards. The solution was to make more of an effort to socialise with my work colleagues, to meet up with some of the other people I knew from college that had made the same move to Dublin as frequently as I could and, tbh, joining boards.ie and attending some of the beers etc. played it's part too. It takes time, and some initial effort, to set down roots in a new place and to make new friends.
Elliot Rodger obviously needed therapy to help him deal with the real world; to accept that while he wasn't some rock-star that women would automatically flock to he was a reasonably decent looking chap who, judging purely on his car, wasn't without the financial means to make a decent life for himself if he put in the effort to get to know people, to form friendships. I haven't read much about him tbh, but in this era of internet dating surely it's easier than ever to get out there and meet women. Of course, if you're so self-entitled that you believe the most beautiful women on any given dating site should be falling over herself to snag a date with you, you're going to have a bad time. If you make the effort to put together a decent profile and contact women who seem interesting to you I can't see it taking that long to find some dates. Sure, most probably won't lead to anything but that's to be expected. And that brings us back to the root of the problem: however Elliot Rodger was raised, it resulted in a young man with wildly unrealistic expectations of the world.0 -
Deleted User wrote: »I can see from personal experience how people can get very wrapped up in rejection and so on. I've had plenty myself but thankfully I can handle it without driving over people or whatever. Unfortunately broaching the subject generally leads to being laughed at, told I'm basing my views on a small sample of people or attempts at placation with platitudes that personal experience don't bear out.
Even though I'm of the opinion that we spend far too much time running off to talk to professionals every 5 minutes to discuss the trauma of breaking a nail, this is one of those situations where a professional would be more useful than friends/family. (Not for buttonftw - for people who would like to talk about things).
Friends/family don't have the tools (or the time) to go through things with a fine tooth comb, so they inevitably resort to either generic platitudes (there's someone out there for everyone, there's plenty more fish in the sea, she was never good enough for you), or amazing tales from Hello magazine (I read about this couple who only met when they were both 157!), well meaning suggestions (have you tried joining a club? I hear online dating's very popular - that's how Father McMurphy met his Thai bride), or, in your scenario above, an element of mocking (mostly an attempt to keep things "light", because they don't even want to look at their own lives).
This lack of someone to talk to is possibly what's driving people to some of the online communities. They may see these groups as "support", but they're mostly focused on externalising the problem (it's the wominz fault). In the past, spinsters and bachelors just got on with things. Now there are internet groups telling them it's not their fault, it sucks, and here's who you can blame.
Here's Laci Green discussing the topic:
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Friends/family don't have the tools (or the time) to go through things with a fine tooth comb, so they inevitably resort to either generic platitudes.... or, in your scenario above, an element of mocking (mostly an attempt to keep things "light", because they don't even want to look at their own lives).0
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Even though I'm of the opinion that we spend far too much time running off to talk to professionals every 5 minutes to discuss the trauma of breaking a nail, this is one of those situations where a professional would be more useful than friends/family. (Not for buttonftw - for people who would like to talk about things).
The high levels of suicide and un diagnosed depression in Ireland would seem to indicate we rarely seek the opportunity to talk to professionals0 -
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The closest some guys get to "helpful" advice is the pick-up artist (PUA) scene, which is a horror show on its own. :eek:
Seems like this tragic event is being used as a oppurunity to beat men in general and the mra movement in particular with.0 -
Even though I'm of the opinion that we spend far too much time running off to talk to professionals every 5 minutes to discuss the trauma of breaking a nail, this is one of those situations where a professional would be more useful than friends/family. (Not for buttonftw - for people who would like to talk about things).Friends/family don't have the tools (or the time) to go through things with a fine tooth comb, so they inevitably resort to either generic platitudes (there's someone out there for everyone, there's plenty more fish in the sea, she was never good enough for you), or amazing tales from Hello magazine (I read about this couple who only met when they were both 157!), well meaning suggestions (have you tried joining a club? I hear online dating's very popular - that's how Father McMurphy met his Thai bride), or, in your scenario above, an element of mocking (mostly an attempt to keep things "light", because they don't even want to look at their own lives).but in this era of internet dating surely it's easier than ever to get out there and meet women. Of course, if you're so self-entitled that you believe the most beautiful women on any given dating site should be falling over herself to snag a date with you, you're going to have a bad time. If you make the effort to put together a decent profile and contact women who seem interesting to you I can't see it taking that long to find some dates. Sure, most probably won't lead to anything but that's to be expected. And that brings us back to the root of the problem: however Elliot Rodger was raised, it resulted in a young man with wildly unrealistic expectations of the world.
The 2 bits quoted above mention expectations and the like and it is a fair point. However when you do things right and hold yourself to what seems like a standard expected and above what other people hold themselves to and nothing comes along for years it's pretty annoying.
Without trying to give too much away one personal example would be a bunch of girls from different circles said if they heard that a guy did something they'd want nothing to do with him. A few guys did that thing, the girls know about it, no backlash and there's now a couple. So when big pronouncements about a specific topic are made and shown to be rubbish while the loser watches and follows the "moral" stuff he's suppose to there's that extra little bit of resentment that can build up.
(Again in this particular situation I'm not that worried/jealous personally, the girls are quite dull as it happens :pac: If however I was the in-love-with-every-woman type then there'd be a little resentment :P )0 -
.........Basically according to his theory society creates losers and misfits and kooks who then get blamed for acting out and living lives they were forced to live in the first place...........
Is it not just a sort of natural selection ?
Thankfully " Bill1224601 " probably won't reproduce, just hope he won't go on a killing rampage.0 -
Deleted User wrote: »Again to bring personal experience into it unfortunately (:pac: ) if someone ain't feeling the most confident then online dating probably isn't the best idea. For fellas at least.
The 2 bits quoted above mention expectations and the like and it is a fair point. However when you do things right and hold yourself to what seems like a standard expected and above what other people hold themselves to and nothing comes along for years it's pretty annoying.
That's simply delusional. There probably are those who can get sex primarily based on their six-packs but, you can guarantee, it's taken a lot more than than 2 weeks in a gym to obtain that body and, even then, they'll have to make some effort to charm (or at least not repulse) those who'd be attracted to them for their body.
Sure, it can be depressing to watch other guys attracting women that you're attracted to and doubly so if you consider yourself to be a nicer or morally better person than them. Unfortunately, it tends to be through this lens that we judge the difference between ourselves and those other guys, ignoring the fact that they might be more physically attractive, better dressed and groomed and just back from a hang-gliding trip in the Andes. This then leads to the "women just like assholes" / "nice guys don't get a look in" / "women are so shallow, I'm a way better person than him" whining.
TBH, this is one thing the PUA scene does have right: you need to make an effort to be attractive to the other sex. Whether that's by improving your diet and hitting the gym regularly, buying nicer clothes or by cultivating new interests/hobbies that give you something interesting to talk about. Being a nice guy who's 3 stone over-weight, dresses like a slob and whose conversational interests don't stretch much beyond Reddit, Gaming, Sci-Fi and Fantasy is going to limit your options to, pretty much, your female equivalent.
Make improvements to what you're offering and your options increase. You're still unlikely to wind up with Natalie Portman in your bed but you're far less likely to be there alone.0 -
Again, based purely on what little I've read about this guy, he didn't "do things right". He seemed to expect to be able to hit the gym for a week or two to get a perfect body and that this combined with his BMW would make him entitled to sex with women.
That's simply delusional. There probably are those who can get sex primarily based on their six-packs but, you can guarantee, it's taken a lot more than than 2 weeks in a gym to obtain that body and, even then, they'll have to make some effort to charm (or at least not repulse) those who'd be attracted to them for their body.
Sure, it can be depressing to watch other guys attracting women that you're attracted to and doubly so if you consider yourself to be a nicer or morally better person than them. Unfortunately, it tends to be through this lens that we judge the difference between ourselves and those other guys, ignoring the fact that they might be more physically attractive, better dressed and groomed and just back from a hang-gliding trip in the Andes. This then leads to the "women just like assholes" / "nice guys don't get a look in" / "women are so shallow, I'm a way better person than him" whining.
TBH, this is one thing the PUA scene does have right: you need to make an effort to be attractive to the other sex. Whether that's by improving your diet and hitting the gym regularly, buying nicer clothes or by cultivating new interests/hobbies that give you something interesting to talk about. Being a nice guy who's 3 stone over-weight, dresses like a slob and whose conversational interests don't stretch much beyond Reddit, Gaming, Sci-Fi and Fantasy is going to limit your options to, pretty much, your female equivalent.
Make improvements to what you're offering and your options increase. You're still unlikely to wind up with Natalie Portman in your bed but you're far less likely to be there alone.
And again when it comes to online dating it can really reinforce the fact that the niceties and platitudes are just that. Personally it makes me question the honesty of the people involved. If they won't admit that me being a lardarse is a pretty huge impediment to finding someone then what will they be honest about? When they do the opposite of what they said they would and the only apparent reason for going against "principles" is because a guy is hot ya wonder how much they'll put up with.
Careful though, no discussion of PUA is allowed on here! :pac:0 -
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Deleted User wrote: »When they do the opposite of what they said they would and the only apparent reason for going against "principles" is because a guy is hot ya wonder how much they'll put up with.
In fact, it's often the "check-list" approach to finding a partner that leads to marital break-ups. You see it all the time when couples get together in their early 30's, marry and have kids because they each "checked enough of the boxes" only to end up separating shortly afterwards as they simply weren't compatible.0 -
Sometimes people are lonely through no particular fault of anyone. This is true for people in relationships as well - a bad relationship can be very isolating, depending on circumstances.
People can be lonely without being selfish, hateful, self-centered, etc. I wouldn't say anyone necessarily deserves to be alone, but the bare facts are that some people are, and they just have to get on with it. No-one owes them companionship.
Exactly. It may or may not be their own fault that they're lonely. But it is hardly the fault of some girls that are just strangers to him that have rejected him in the past.
Unfortunately I am familiar with the behaviour of the guy in the video. I could well have imagined things escalating like that for my ex. This particular story is all over the news but there are lots of guys out there that have the same attitudes, and are either keeping it under control or haven't lost control yet, at least in a way that is perceived as extreme like this guy. But there are a lot of lesser evils happening. I've had my life under threat and the lives of people I know, the gardai did zero. It's not that I'm demonising men either, but this sort of extreme behaviour seems to be associated more so with men.0 -
Again, based purely on what little I've read about this guy, he didn't "do things right". He seemed to expect to be able to hit the gym for a week or two to get a perfect body and that this combined with his BMW would make him entitled to sex with women.
That's simply delusional. There probably are those who can get sex primarily based on their six-packs but, you can guarantee, it's taken a lot more than than 2 weeks in a gym to obtain that body and, even then, they'll have to make some effort to charm (or at least not repulse) those who'd be attracted to them for their body.
Sure, it can be depressing to watch other guys attracting women that you're attracted to and doubly so if you consider yourself to be a nicer or morally better person than them. Unfortunately, it tends to be through this lens that we judge the difference between ourselves and those other guys, ignoring the fact that they might be more physically attractive, better dressed and groomed and just back from a hang-gliding trip in the Andes. This then leads to the "women just like assholes" / "nice guys don't get a look in" / "women are so shallow, I'm a way better person than him" whining.
TBH, this is one thing the PUA scene does have right: you need to make an effort to be attractive to the other sex. Whether that's by improving your diet and hitting the gym regularly, buying nicer clothes or by cultivating new interests/hobbies that give you something interesting to talk about. Being a nice guy who's 3 stone over-weight, dresses like a slob and whose conversational interests don't stretch much beyond Reddit, Gaming, Sci-Fi and Fantasy is going to limit your options to, pretty much, your female equivalent.
Make improvements to what you're offering and your options increase. You're still unlikely to wind up with Natalie Portman in your bed but you're far less likely to be there alone.
Seemingly, he had aspergers, and that will inevitably lead to its own loneliness. It's fascinating to me that he had aspergers but now is being called a narcissist- I'm having trouble reconciling how you could have or be both at the same time.
Santa Barbara is paradise, full of beautiful and wealthy people. He was just one among them, nothing special with his BMW and his wealth etc, just another fish in small pond of high status, good looks, and superficial values.
He is getting scapegoated basically for living out the values of the culture that made him. The mentally ill exaggerate through lack of discernment the values we craft, and then they get scapegoated for it when it all goes awry.0 -
An interesting break down of Elliot Rodgers by Stefan Molyneux
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Harsh to say it's always someone's own fault if they're lonely. Chronic shyness is an obstacle people cannot easily overcome.Seriously? wrote: »Seems like this tragic event is being used as a oppurunity to beat men in general and the mra movement in particular with.0
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Seemingly, he had aspergers, and that will inevitably lead to its own loneliness. It's fascinating to me that he had aspergers but now is being called a narcissist- I'm having trouble reconciling how you could have or be both at the same time.Santa Barbara is paradise, full of beautiful and wealthy people. He was just one among them, nothing special with his BMW and his wealth etc, just another fish in small pond of high status, good looks, and superficial values.He is getting scapegoated basically for living out the values of the culture that made him. The mentally ill exaggerate through lack of discernment the values we craft, and then they get scapegoated for it when it all goes awry.
It's easy for most people. For the ones who don't get it easy and do everything "right" and everything goes on as before, it's pretty frustrating.0 -
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Seriously? wrote: »Hashtags such as yesallwomen certainly imply that there's a definite confrontational attitude against men in general.
Do you see #yesallwomen as confrontational, rather than just women stating their own experiences? I don't think I've seen any I'd consider as confrontational. Does it make you uncomfortable?0 -
Seriously? wrote: »Hashtags such as yesallwomen certainly imply that there's a definite confrontational attitude against men in general.
Hashtags ? Twitter ? From this you get the opinion that 'theres a definite confrontational attitude against men in general'
Wow, that is some jump.
Meanwhile in the untwitter world men and women get along just fine.0 -
Well the #yesallwomen thing going mad on twitter is just the female equivalent of True Forced Loneliness.
The overwhelming majority of men do not leer at women, pinch their bottoms, make disgusting and sexist remarks, beat their girlfriends or wives or rape women.
The True Forced Loneliness men are men who have set their sights to high.
Extremely beautiful women in magazines and movies and so forth tend to marry James Bond type playboys and billionaire geniuses and so forth. They are unobtainable and they will reject men who work in petrol stations, stack shelves in supermarkets, sweep the streets and clean sewers for a living. That's just a given.
But the average women is only too happy to be chatted up by a guy who comes over and smiles warmly and playfully flirts with her.
The harpies on #yesallwomen seem to be focusing on the misfists and freaks and losers and ignoring the majority of men who adore and love women and want to give them their hearts.
They are the kind of women who sigh when they read about some fake romantic lover in a stupid chick lit book and then kick men to the kerb who are simply decent guys. The average guys just laughs off self-absorbed bitches like that and keeps looking until he finds the sweet hearted women who are actually worth bothering with - the overwhelming majority of women to be exact who haven't bought into the man-hating radical feminist nonsense.
Men who put women on a pedestal and women who think all men are rapists are two sides of the same coin.
Poisonous people the world could do without.0 -
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The harpies on #yesallwomen seem to be focusing on the misfists and freaks and losers and ignoring the majority of men who adore and love women and want to give them their hearts.
They are the kind of women who sigh when they read about some fake romantic lover in a stupid chick lit book and then kick men to the kerb who are simply decent guys. The average guys just laughs off self-absorbed bitches like that and keeps looking until he finds the sweet hearted women who are actually worth bothering with - the overwhelming majority of women to be exact who haven't bought into the man-hating radical feminist nonsense.
Men who put women on a pedestal and women who think all men are rapists are two sides of the same coin.
Poisonous people the world could do without.
Jesus, you're seriously missing the point of #yesallwomen.
The #notallmen hashtag was initially being used for men to point out that the overwhelmingly vast majority of men are not creepy, weird people who woke up feeling a bit rapey today.
The #yesallwomen hashtag is pointing out that while only a minority of men are sexual harassers/rapists/abusive, pretty much every single woman has had to deal with those who are on a far too regular basis.
While a woman goes about her daily life, there is a constant sub-dialogue of "Is this particular action safe, is this the day I get attacked because I was in a hurry parking in the multi-storey car park, and left my car in that spot instead of this spot? Is this the day I get raped because I needed to go for a pee while waiting for my friends to arrive at the bar, and I left my drink unattended? Is this the day I get followed down the street and shouted at because it's really warm, and I'm too hot in this jacket, and all I'm wearing underneath is a fitted t-shirt?"
You're saying that the women are concentrating on the minority of men. The hashtag isn't about men - it's about what women do/think/feel every day. Your antagonism towards half the population documenting their daily life, and your reference to harpies and bitches are, quite frankly, disgusting.0 -
Jesus, you're seriously missing the point of #yesallwomen.
The #notallmen hashtag was initially being used for men to point out that the overwhelmingly vast majority of men are not creepy, weird people who woke up feeling a bit rapey today.
The #yesallwomen hashtag is pointing out that while only a minority of men are sexual harassers/rapists/abusive, pretty much every single woman has had to deal with those who are on a far too regular basis.
I looked on the twitter thread and it has been taken over by sad pathetic women who hate men ranting on. As if psychopathic men who hate women are going to care less about the comments anyway?While a woman goes about her daily life, there is a constant sub-dialogue of "Is this particular action safe, is this the day I get attacked because I was in a hurry parking in the multi-storey car park, and left my car in that spot instead of this spot? Is this the day I get raped because I needed to go for a pee while waiting for my friends to arrive at the bar, and I left my drink unattended? Is this the day I get followed down the street and shouted at because it's really warm, and I'm too hot in this jacket, and all I'm wearing underneath is a fitted t-shirt?"
If that is what some women think they need to go to a psychiatrist as badly as Elliot Rodger did. That is pathological thinking.
The majority of women don't think bullsh*t like that.You're saying that the women are concentrating on the minority of men. The hashtag isn't about men - it's about what women do/think/feel every day. Your antagonism towards half the population documenting their daily life, and your reference to harpies and bitches are, quite frankly, disgusting.
That twitter thread as I have said has been taken over by flakes and losers and crazies who want to vent about how much they hate men.
The female equivalent of Rodger.
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Jesus, you're seriously missing the point of #yesallwomen.
The #notallmen hashtag was initially being used for men to point out that the overwhelmingly vast majority of men are not creepy, weird people who woke up feeling a bit rapey today.
The #yesallwomen hashtag is pointing out that while only a minority of men are sexual harassers/rapists/abusive, pretty much every single woman has had to deal with those who are on a far too regular basis.
While a woman goes about her daily life, there is a constant sub-dialogue of "Is this particular action safe, is this the day I get attacked because I was in a hurry parking in the multi-storey car park, and left my car in that spot instead of this spot? Is this the day I get raped because I needed to go for a pee while waiting for my friends to arrive at the bar, and I left my drink unattended? Is this the day I get followed down the street and shouted at because it's really warm, and I'm too hot in this jacket, and all I'm wearing underneath is a fitted t-shirt?"
You're saying that the women are concentrating on the minority of men. The hashtag isn't about men - it's about what women do/think/feel every day. Your antagonism towards half the population documenting their daily life, and your reference to harpies and bitches are, quite frankly, disgusting.
I think women need to wise up and look at all the cash to made out of keeping us living in fear and the control to garner by keeping us insecure.
Seriously the left needs to call a halt to the push for keeping everyone on the victim identification track. Chances are the person who abused you at the time was wallowing in self pity and felt like a victim.
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Is this the day I get raped because I needed to go for a pee while waiting for my friends to arrive at the bar, and I left my drink unattended?
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General points:
It is true that women have things to worry about. However, men also have concerns e.g. men are more likely to be victims of violence on the street so also have to be concerned about their safety.
And I think in many situations, whether it's a car breaking down, or an attack on the street, strangers/passersby will be more likely to help a woman than a man.
Men can worry that they might be falsely accused of a sexual offence, either with an adult or child, that could ruin their lives.
I've seen too many campaigns over the year which only concentrate on women victims, and heard too many times that men have it easy and that the world is a much harder place for women than men. Both genders have things they can be concerned about.0 -
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While a woman goes about her daily life,there is a constant sub-dialogue of "Is this particular action safe, is this the day I get attacked because I was in a hurry parking in the multi-storey car park, and left my car in that spot instead of this spot? Is this the day I get raped because I needed to go for a pee while waiting for my friends to arrive at the bar, and I left my drink unattended? Is this the day I get followed down the street and shouted at because it's really warm, and I'm too hot in this jacket, and all I'm wearing underneath is a fitted t-shirt?"Your antagonism towards half the population documenting their daily life, and your reference to harpies and bitches are, quite frankly, disgusting.Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.
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Yeah, silly paranoid women...
Seriously though, this sort of apparent "paranoia" is extremely prevalent among women I know in person as well as from what I've read online. And I've heard countless stories from women I know (as well as witnessing this on a couple of occasions), not about being raped or violently attacked, but pestered and harassed in mild but uncomfortable ways on a semi-frequent basis.
Are the statistics for the actual risk of being attacked and/or sexual assaulted low? Maybe, but that's not actually important. What's relevant here is the frequency of women being put into situations where they feel uncomfortable and unsafe.
The closest thing I can relate it to myself is the feeling I have in the odd situation where I am harassed by a stranger. I've experienced this a few times - I'm alone walking home at night and a homeless person is being persistent asking me for change and getting in my face, or a weird person starts to talk to me on a bus when I'm trying to mind my own business, or a group of teenagers shouts abuse at me when I walk past them, or one situation where a gay guy groped me in a club. The actual risk of me actually getting attacked or mugged or raped in these situations? Very low, but I felt insecure and unsafe every time.
From listening to what women actually say, they claim to experience these sorts of situations rather often, usually as a result of some form of unwanted male sexual attention. Of course it's not all men. However, there's enough of a minority of men out there who are putting women in these situations and making them feel uncomfortable and unsafe. We should be listening to them and acknowledging that it occurs, not taking it as a slight against all men and questioning the legitimacy of their experiences and feelings.0 -
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Yeah, silly paranoid women...Are the statistics for the actual risk of being attacked and/or sexual assaulted low? Maybe, but that's not actually important.
The kicker is that women are substantially more likely to be sexually and physically assaulted by someone they know than by a random stranger. That's where there is a clear gender bias. Applying some concern on that score makes far more logical sense. That should be more the focus.What's relevant here is the frequency of women being put into situations where they feel uncomfortable and unsafe.The closest thing I can relate it to myself is the feeling I have in the odd situation where I am harassed by a stranger. I've experienced this a few times - I'm alone walking home at night and a homeless person is being persistent asking me for change and getting in my face, or a weird person starts to talk to me on a bus when I'm trying to mind my own business, or a group of teenagers shouts abuse at me when I walk past them, or one situation where a gay guy groped me in a club.From listening to what women actually say, they claim to experience these sorts of situations rather often, usually as a result of some form of unwanted male sexual attention. Of course it's not all men.Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.
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I've seen a lot of women I know who I wouldn't have expected to have this "worldview of low level fear", as you put it, liking and sharing articles to do with this sort of thing on facebook. It either resonates with them, or they're buying into an internet driven victimization culture. I generally think higher of them than to assume the latter.
And I think the reason men don't go on twitter or facebook and complain about these sorts of things more is because it just happens less frequently to them. And you can't just leave out sexually motivated incidents here given that they're the main issue.
And every time a topic like this becomes a trending internet discussion, some men will take it as an attack on all men, deny that it's a problem, and write off the women speaking out about it as being "harpies and bitches", or "misandrists", or "paranoid", or come up with any explanation besides the simplest one - that the stated experiences and feelings of these women are, in fact, valid.0
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