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The Pro Austerity Crowd

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  • #2
    mickydoomsux
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,287 ✭✭✭mickydoomsux


    SafeSurfer wrote: »

    The current government were elected with a mandate for change

    And they did change things and continue to try and change them.

    The problem is that a lot of people thought that change meant that the economy would be fixed overnight and we could go back to living beyond our means.


  • #3
    KyussBishop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭KyussBishop


    There is never really a discussion of the alternatives - whenever they are brought up, eyes glaze over, policies get dismissed/trolled (usually for the temerity of offending someones ideology), and people get back on with saying "well what are the alternatives? :confused:"

    By and large, people don't actually care about the topic, at more than a shallow level - and so the debate stays stuck at a very narrow/shallow level too.


  • #4
    donegal__road
    Closed Accounts Posts: 953 ✭✭✭donegal__road


    any minute now, you are going to be pulled up on that Rabbitte clip..

    'the quote was taken out of context!' etc etc


  • #5
    KyussBishop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭KyussBishop


    Also, regarding 'change' from government - their latest change is to stoke a new property bubble:
    http://brianmlucey.wordpress.com/2014/05/17/are-the-irish-government-nuts-their-housing-policy-is/


  • #6
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    Did the anti-Austerity crowd ever tell us where the magical money tree has been found?


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  • #7
    kub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,585 ✭✭✭kub


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    Did the anti-Austerity crowd ever tell us where the magical money tree has been found?

    At the end of the rainbow.


  • #8
    mickydoomsux
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,287 ✭✭✭mickydoomsux


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    Did the anti-Austerity crowd ever tell us where the magical money tree has been found?

    It sprouts out of the ground from the ashes of Burnt Bondholders.


  • #9
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,460 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    Everybody notice how a viable alternative to austerity will not be posted in either this thread or the other thread.


  • #10
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    Everybody notice how a viable alternative to austerity will not be posted in either this thread or the other thread.
    No, there will be no viable alternative. Because if there was a viable alternative that didn't require politicians to make cuts, you can be damn sure it would have been adopted.


  • #11
    DEFTLEFTHAND
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,499 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    It's a hard world to get a break in, all the good things have been taken.


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  • #12
    Lapin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,184 ✭✭✭✭Lapin


    donegal__road wrote: »
    any minute now, you are going to be pulled up on that Rabbitte clip..

    'the quote was taken out of context!' etc etc

    The beauty is - it wasn't.

    He let slip what everybody knows already but in doing so, he lost any credibility he and his party have.

    Shower of welchers.


  • #13
    KyussBishop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭KyussBishop


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    Everybody notice how a viable alternative to austerity will not be posted in either this thread or the other thread.
    And like I said earlier, despite a viable alternative being posted right on the first page of the other thread, you just get from people "well what are the alternatives? :confused:" - staying at the same shallow level in the debate.


  • #14
    Son Of A Vidic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    Did the anti-Austerity crowd ever tell us where the magical money tree has been found?

    Rumour has it, apparently it was used by Paddy to bail out the German & French banks. Prevent contagion and the collapse of the Euro.


  • #15
    SafeSurfer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,736 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    mickydoomsux wrote: »
    And they did change things and continue to try and change them.

    The problem is that a lot of people thought that change meant that the economy would be fixed overnight and we could go back to living beyond our means.

    They tinkered with a broken system and continued to implement the policies of the previous administration. Nobody expected the economy to be fixed overnight. People did however expect Labour and Fine Gael to keep even some of their pre election promises. Like upward only rent reviews, the pledge signed by now Labour minister Quinn, the Tescoesque every little hurts Labour poster, which in fact has all come to pass.

    fgeverylittlehelps.jpg?w=646&h=451

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • #16
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    KyussBishop wrote: »
    And like I said earlier, despite a viable alternative being posted right on the first page of the other thread, you just get from people "well what are the alternatives? :confused:" - staying at the same shallow level in the debate.

    For the benefit of this thread, what is your 'viable alternative'? Does it involve time-travel? Leaving the Euro? (this one has the benefit of being viable, albeit massively risky)


  • #17
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    For the benefit of this thread, what is your 'viable alternative'? Does it involve time-travel? Leaving the Euro? (this one has the benefit of being viable, albeit massively risky)

    Probably the IMF choosing the correct option at the time.


  • #18
    Teyla Emmagan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,639 ✭✭✭Teyla Emmagan


    I'm all for austerity. For other people.


  • #19
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Probably the IMF choosing the correct option at the time.
    Dammit. Kenny promised us a time-machine. I'm sure I have the leaflet somewhere.


  • #20
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,460 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    KyussBishop wrote: »
    And like I said earlier, despite a viable alternative being posted right on the first page of the other thread, you just get from people "well what are the alternatives? :confused:" - staying at the same shallow level in the debate.

    I just went through every word of the other thread 1st page and saw no viable alternatives.

    Unless you consider the sarcastic post "tax the rich" to be a solution to all Ireland's problems?


  • #21
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,813 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    I just went through every word of the other thread 1st page and saw no viable alternatives.

    Unless you consider the sarcastic post "tax the rich" to be a solution to all Ireland's problems?

    Well at present it's tax the elderly, the student, the worker, the home-owner, the carers, the special needs children etc etc. Anything but taxing those who can afford to pay it most.


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  • #22
    KyussBishop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭KyussBishop


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Probably the IMF choosing the correct option at the time.
    Can make that two alternatives so :) I posted about it here, but skip that as I'll try to provide a better explanation - this is only an analogy:
    Effectively, the solution would allow government to use special bonds for expanding government spending, which would be like having public debt that carries 0% interest, and which government doesn't have to pay back until they want to (through rolling it over).

    I discuss it more in this economics thread, but it's not light reading.


  • #23
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,373 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    In the last general election campaign the electorate were lied to, plain and simple, as minister Pat Rabbitte freely admitted.

    Nope. He didn't.


  • #24
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Well at present it's tax the elderly, the student, the worker, the home-owner, the carers, the special needs children etc etc. Anything but taxing those who can afford to pay it most.
    Widespread cuts to services, but of course most social welfare is untouched. And still borrowing billions to pay for it all. We don't really do austerity very well here, do we?


  • #25
    KyussBishop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭KyussBishop


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    I just went through every word of the other thread 1st page and saw no viable alternatives.

    Unless you consider the sarcastic post "tax the rich" to be a solution to all Ireland's problems?
    You missed it so - I link it in my above post.


  • #26
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    KyussBishop wrote: »
    Can make that two alternatives so :) I posted about it here, but skip that as I'll try to provide a better explanation - this is only an analogy:
    Effectively, the solution would allow government to use special bonds for expanding government spending, which would be like having public debt that carries 0% interest, and which government doesn't have to pay back until they want to (through rolling it over).
    Who is going to buy these bonds at 0% coupon?


  • #27
    emo72
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,500 ✭✭✭emo72


    And I don't think anybody expected the economy to be fixed overnight.

    Still didn't expect the total cop out that FG Labour delivered.


  • #28
    KyussBishop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭KyussBishop


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    Who is going to buy these bonds at 0% coupon?
    They are not offered for buying, so that is not an impediment - that's discussed in the economics thread (better place to debate it than here).


  • #29
    Teyla Emmagan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,639 ✭✭✭Teyla Emmagan


    I'm all for austerity. For other people.


  • #30
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,460 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Well at present it's tax the elderly, the student, the worker, the home-owner, the carers, the special needs children etc etc. Anything but taxing those who can afford to pay it most.

    We have one of the most progressive tax systems in the world. Making it even more progressive will make the country completely uncompetitive and cause all the tax payers who already hand over 52% of their taxable income to move elsewhere.

    If that were to happen we might as well move back into thatched houses growing our own potatoes.


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  • #31
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    Widespread cuts to services, but of course most social welfare is untouched. And still borrowing billions to pay for it all. We don't really do austerity very well here, do we?

    Ok then massively reduce social welfare for the "their sitting around crowd" lets see what happens to the economy with massive amounts of money removed. You cut dole you cut spending that leads to shops closing more unemployed but don't let that worry you.


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