Old type springer or not.

TriggerPL · 12-05-2014 11:18PM

I don't agree at all I think the Heavy marks spaniels are nicer more flashy , bigger stronger and better in cover , badger court are well regarded as the best spaniels ever breed in England , and they were all heavy marked dogs .

Beretta man · 13-05-2014 05:18AM

Every one to there own bud,if we all liked the same thing it would be a sad world..

TriggerPL · 13-05-2014 05:36AM

Of course , the point I'm making was that big spaniels don't come all white only small bits of things , because that's breed into them

Beretta man · 13-05-2014 12:55PM

Do you think the spaniel has got more brains from selective breeding like easer to train...I've seen a few trialling dogs and they could nearly talk to you..

TriggerPL · 13-05-2014 01:00PM

Yes you have to be selective in ur breeding , but trailing has ruined springer spaniels , this is not my opinion this it's widely thought of but the springer community .

What gud is a dog talking to u when they can nearly do the job there ment to do . I've not seen a trailing spaniel in a long time that is able for a full days hunting , there fast and stylish in 20 min bursts and wrecked after 2 hours .

Beretta man · 13-05-2014 01:05PM

Why don't all the lads that have the big springers try to get the numbers back up
All I see is people looking for the old type springer,there is demand so why isn't there pups out there....

TriggerPL · 13-05-2014 01:10PM

Because lads that are breeding them trying to get size back into the breed are finding that dogs are coming big and bitches are coming small trail types .

And anyone that gets a gud strong big bitch is keeping them .

That along with the fact that when people had money they all thought they were dog breeders , spaniels been the popular breed , gud gun dogs were breed with poor bitches and pups sold , essentially breeding the hunt and size out of them as well .

Feild trails champions dogs were been breed with house hold pets and then sold as pups from trailing back rounds .

The trailing community isn't all to blame but a big part !!

Beretta man · 13-05-2014 01:20PM

I've seen a few bitches that are very small,pitty there wasn't a middle ground..

TriggerPL · 13-05-2014 01:23PM

I've bought 4 bitches in the last. 5 years and there not worth a f! I give them away after .

Gary007 on ere breed my dog to his bitch , a proven woodcock. , hard bitch , she had 2 big strong bitch pups so time will tell there only a week old .

Can't wait to see the out come

Beretta man · 13-05-2014 01:27PM

Fingers crossed they'll turn out crackers for you..

allan450 · 13-05-2014 01:59PM

The best springers iv seen have no papers.lads keeping lines going for years and only breeding when they need pups for them self's.That been said not all trail dogs are ****.how many trial dogs dont make the grade and end up as great shooting dogs.i dont agree with line breeding though thats what causes most of the probs.some bitches don't come into heat until their nearly 3 years of age with that small litters and most of the pups dieing.

snipe49 · 13-05-2014 10:11PM

TriggerPL wrote: »

Yes you have to be selective in ur breeding , but trailing has ruined springer spaniels , this is not my opinion this it's widely thought of but the springer community .

What gud is a dog talking to u when they can nearly do the job there ment to do . I've not seen a trailing spaniel in a long time that is able for a full days hunting , there fast and stylish in 20 min bursts and wrecked after 2 hours .

I am trying to my bit to keep the true springer alive. I am only breeding from old style dog's as can be seen from my pic's above. I also have 2 big bitch pup's i'll put up some pic's of them tomorrow. Now back to them dog's they use for trialing and their breeding. Well it's a well known fact. That setter's were crossed with them to give the shower old stile dog's more speed. And the good old collie to give them inteligens. so there not 100 persent springer.

TriggerPL · 13-05-2014 10:52PM

Hear say , and rumour , can't see the setter being breed into them cause that brings size and there going opposite way . Collie was ment to be put into several breeds 100 years ago .

It's been discussed a load of time on forum and end up a **** fest of posts .

Put up few more pic when ever ya get a chance would be great to see them

snipe49 · 14-05-2014 06:28PM

TriggerPL wrote: »

Hear say , and rumour , can't see the setter being breed into them cause that brings size and there going opposite way . Collie was ment to be put into several breeds 100 years ago .

It's been discussed a load of time on forum and end up a **** fest of posts .

Put up few more pic when ever ya get a chance would be great to see them

The 2 bitch pups said i would put pic up of. both 5 months unrelated. what do u think.

allan450 · 14-05-2014 07:15PM

nice little dogs best of luck with them.like the jeep also

Beretta man · 14-05-2014 07:40PM

Lovely strong pups mate,nice markings too

snipe49 · 14-05-2014 09:51PM

Beretta man wrote: »

Lovely strong pups mate,nice markings too

Thank u there showing great promise to.

jap gt · 14-05-2014 10:15PM

snipe49 wrote: »

Thank u there showing great promise to.

all lovely dogs, how many have you

snipe49 · 14-05-2014 10:32PM

jap gt wrote: »

all lovely dogs, how many have you

Thank u pal i have 7.

jap gt · 14-05-2014 10:37PM

snipe49 wrote: »

Thank u pal i have 7.

how is the dog in your opening post making out

snipe49 · 14-05-2014 10:53PM

jap gt wrote: »

how is the dog in your opening post making out

doing well so far. i have a 10 month dog i'll put up a pic tomorrow see what ye think.

TriggerPL · 15-05-2014 05:09AM

snipe49 wrote: »

The 2 bitch pups said i would put pic up of. both 5 months unrelated. what do u think.

They wouldn be up my ally at all , are they off that strong bitch , what was the sire??

snipe49 · 15-05-2014 07:12AM

TriggerPL wrote: »

They wouldn be up my ally at all , are they off that strong bitch , what was the sire??

have u a pic of him?

TriggerPL · 15-05-2014 08:11AM

snipe49 wrote: »

have u a pic of him?

A pic of who?

Mate don't get me wrong , lovely dogs just not what I'm trying to achieve if u get me . Heavy marked dogs is more my thing .

But keep us informed of how there going .

kermitpwee · 15-05-2014 08:40AM

TriggerPL wrote: »

A pic of who?

Mate don't get me wrong , lovely dogs just not what I'm trying to achieve if u get me . Heavy marked dogs is more my thing .

But keep us informed of how there going .

Have to agree old style springers are generally heavily marked.

TriggerPL · 15-05-2014 08:43AM

kermitpwee wrote: »

Have to agree old style springers are generally heavily marked.

Did you see the earlier pics kermitpwee , of the stocky bitch he has that . Nice example of a bitch that are hard got now

kermitpwee · 15-05-2014 09:10AM

TriggerPL wrote: »

Did you see the earlier pics kermitpwee , of the stocky bitch he has that . Nice example of a bitch that are hard got now

Ya saw her alright, nice bitch, there is something I don't like about her, can't put my finger on it. Perhaps its the unusual white pattern on her muzzle. The pups could be dingers, the have nice legs but I cant see them been big animals and I expected more colour tbh

TriggerPL · 15-05-2014 09:13AM

Yea that's why I asked what the sure was , looks like he used a dog from trailing backgrounds .

And yea I see the muzzle. , never seen it like that before , that wouldn out me off her I don't thing , she stocky heavy boned nice square head . She all there for what I'd be looking for

allan450 · 15-05-2014 04:48PM

one thing is for sure in all of this doesn't matter if the dog is heavily marked or lots of white through them as long they go like the clappers.

snipe49 · 15-05-2014 06:16PM

TriggerPL wrote: »

Yea that's why I asked what the sure was , looks like he used a dog from trailing backgrounds .

And yea I see the muzzle. , never seen it like that before , that wouldn out me off her I don't thing , she stocky heavy boned nice square head . She all there for what I'd be looking for

Thank u lad's for the comment's. I did'nt breed those pups my self. The big bitch i got up north. The liver and white bitch pup i got in tip. She out of two fine big springers both with heavy marking. but she was the last pup left will still trough heave marked pups and is a big lump of a pup. And the black and white bitch pup i got in galway she's from two nice size dog's. she has some drive will make a great worker. not in any pic is a pup i got it in clare he 9 months big but i'm not sure about him i'll put up a few pic later and will ye let me know what ye think. P.S that big bitch is even better in the flesh and a great girl around the place.

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