Old type springer or not.

snipe49

I got this lad last week. I was told he about 10 months old. He a lovely fella very big boned great soft coat. seems to have the makings of a good dog.do ye agree with me is he old type springer spaniel.
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jap gt

looks a nice dog, any idea what way he is bred

snipe49

jap gt wrote: »

looks a nice dog, any idea what way he is bred[/QUOTE No idea i will try to find out but could be hard.He makes a change from all those light spaniel's' only shame is that his tail was docked to short.

jap gt

nice size head on him, good size for a 10 month old pup, i have one same age not sure if he is as big as him, nice heavy markings on him, he seems well cared for anyway but pity about the short tail


best of luck with him anyway

snipe49

jap gt wrote: »

nice size head on him, good size for a 10 month old pup, i have one same age not sure if he is as big as him, nice heavy markings on him, he seems well cared for anyway but pity about the short tail


best of luck with him anyway

Thank u pal.He could be older they said he's that age.He is cocking his leg some times.

TriggerPL

Nicely mark , I like heavy marked dogs and gud coat of hair but I wouldn out him in the old type spaniel just yet , I personally going by the pic of him sitting don't thing he going to be big enough , is he working .

Tail looks like it just been chopped too

snipe49

TriggerPL wrote: »

Nicely mark , I like heavy marked dogs and gud coat of hair but I wouldn out him in the old type spaniel just yet , I personally going by the pic of him sitting don't thing he going to be big enough , is he working .

Tail looks like it just been chopped too

He is quite large. will grow a bit more. yes the tail is only about 2 inches long. it will look a bit better as the hair gets longer on it.

TriggerPL

What are u comparing his size to , dig up a thread called springer spaniel data base , ul see my spaniel and that's a gud gauge to go off . Any idea of background

snipe49

TriggerPL wrote: »

What are u comparing his size to , dig up a thread called springer spaniel data base , ul see my spaniel and that's a gud gauge to go off . Any idea of background

How do i find that threat would like to look at it. Iknow nothing about his back ground.I'll try to find out though.

jap gt

snipe49 wrote: »

How do i find that threat would like to look at it. Iknow nothing about his back ground.I'll try to find out though.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=76579733

snipe49

TriggerPL wrote: »

What are u comparing his size to , dig up a thread called springer spaniel data base , ul see my spaniel and that's a gud gauge to go off . Any idea of background

He is a fine dog all right. What hight is he at the shoulder. ?

allan450

he is a beautiful dog mate best of luck with him i love the markings.

garyc007

hes well marked alright but id say a bit more than 10 months. whats the plan for him,train him up?

snipe49

garyc007 wrote: »

hes well marked alright but id say a bit more than 10 months. whats the plan for him,train him up?

I was told he's 10 months but could be a bit older. not cocking his leg every time so prob still under the year. I had him out for a run seem's to have a good nose and a lovely style.

deeksofdoom

Nice looking dog, pity about his tail, but I'm sure it won't affect his hunting ability.

snipe49

garyc007 wrote: »

hes well marked alright but id say a bit more than 10 months. whats the plan for him,train him up?

He's bringing the dummy back to hand would'nt even look at it last week. So looking good.

snipe49

deeksofdoom wrote: »

Nice looking dog, pity about his tail, but I'm sure it won't affect his hunting ability.

Had him out for a run today lovely busy worker. nice and close. great to see him flush his first woodcock.

Jimbob79

Hope picture loaded. If it has u will see the difference between old style springer compared to new smaller type

Jimbob79

The old style is 5 year old. Very soft dog but what a great dog to shoot over. Retrieves as good as a Labrador. The small type is only year old. I got her yesterday so a project for the summer but showing good signs.

snipe49

Jimbob79 wrote: »

The old style is 5 year old. Very soft dog but what a great dog to shoot over. Retrieves as good as a Labrador. The small type is only year old. I got her yesterday so a project for the summer but showing good signs.

Some differance there i have the same here.I'm not a fan of the light boned springers they look like cat's when there wet. So lad's stop breeding light to light and we may get a better looking springer with good bones.

allan450

Jimbob79 wrote: »

The old style is 5 year old. Very soft dog but what a great dog to shoot over. Retrieves as good as a Labrador. The small type is only year old. I got her yesterday so a project for the summer but showing good signs.

lovely dogs jimbo i like big fella i like them with solid colors hope the training goes well.

Jimbob79

Thanks lads. I always liked the bigger chunkier springers. Tbh I only took the small dog as a favour to a mate. He was having dominance issues with her and his Alsatian, it was going to end in a serious casualty. Hopefully she works out. She is showing good potential. Only will time will tell but always enjoy starting a new dog.

snipe49

Jimbob79 wrote: »

Thanks lads. I always liked the bigger chunkier springers. Tbh I only took the small dog as a favour to a mate. He was having dominance issues with her and his Alsatian, it was going to end in a serious casualty. Hopefully she works out. She is showing good potential. Only will time will tell but always enjoy starting a new dog.

yes can beat the buzz of taking out a new dog for the first few times. hope it a good one pal.

snipe49

jap gt wrote: »

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=76579733

Here are a few pic's of my girl's .There great workers but best of all big girl's. The liver and white bitch is a giant. In the picture with her is one of my other springers and she twice her size. she has paw's like paddles. And the black and white bitch is fine big dog too. What do ye think. ?

PDAhunter

Lovely dogs der well looked after some shine on them

TriggerPL

Snipe 49 are they yours or jap gt

snipe49

TriggerPL wrote: »

Snipe 49 are they yours or jap gt

There my girls.

TriggerPL

Well then mate we will be chatting a lot in the future , there the best example in a long time hard to get bitchs like them any more , what she are there ,

What the back round of the dogs

Beretta man

I must say I love the look of the new type springers ,more white the better..

snipe49

Beretta man wrote: »

I must say I love the look of the new type springers ,more white the better..

And what about the size. How are u on that. ?

Beretta man

snipe49 wrote: »

And what about the size. How are u on that. ?

I do like the bigger dog,not too gone on the really small type,just love the white makes the dog look flashy..

TriggerPL

I don't agree at all I think the Heavy marks spaniels are nicer more flashy , bigger stronger and better in cover , badger court are well regarded as the best spaniels ever breed in England , and they were all heavy marked dogs .

Beretta man

Every one to there own bud,if we all liked the same thing it would be a sad world..

TriggerPL

Of course , the point I'm making was that big spaniels don't come all white only small bits of things , because that's breed into them

Beretta man

Do you think the spaniel has got more brains from selective breeding like easer to train...I've seen a few trialling dogs and they could nearly talk to you..

TriggerPL

Yes you have to be selective in ur breeding , but trailing has ruined springer spaniels , this is not my opinion this it's widely thought of but the springer community .

What gud is a dog talking to u when they can nearly do the job there ment to do . I've not seen a trailing spaniel in a long time that is able for a full days hunting , there fast and stylish in 20 min bursts and wrecked after 2 hours .

Beretta man

Why don't all the lads that have the big springers try to get the numbers back up
All I see is people looking for the old type springer,there is demand so why isn't there pups out there....

TriggerPL

Because lads that are breeding them trying to get size back into the breed are finding that dogs are coming big and bitches are coming small trail types .

And anyone that gets a gud strong big bitch is keeping them .


That along with the fact that when people had money they all thought they were dog breeders , spaniels been the popular breed , gud gun dogs were breed with poor bitches and pups sold , essentially breeding the hunt and size out of them as well .

Feild trails champions dogs were been breed with house hold pets and then sold as pups from trailing back rounds .

The trailing community isn't all to blame but a big part !!

Beretta man

I've seen a few bitches that are very small,pitty there wasn't a middle ground..

TriggerPL

I've bought 4 bitches in the last. 5 years and there not worth a f! I give them away after .

Gary007 on ere breed my dog to his bitch , a proven woodcock. , hard bitch , she had 2 big strong bitch pups so time will tell there only a week old .

Can't wait to see the out come

Beretta man

Fingers crossed they'll turn out crackers for you..

allan450

The best springers iv seen have no papers.lads keeping lines going for years and only breeding when they need pups for them self's.That been said not all trail dogs are ****.how many trial dogs dont make the grade and end up as great shooting dogs.i dont agree with line breeding though thats what causes most of the probs.some bitches don't come into heat until their nearly 3 years of age with that small litters and most of the pups dieing.

snipe49

TriggerPL wrote: »

Yes you have to be selective in ur breeding , but trailing has ruined springer spaniels , this is not my opinion this it's widely thought of but the springer community .

What gud is a dog talking to u when they can nearly do the job there ment to do . I've not seen a trailing spaniel in a long time that is able for a full days hunting , there fast and stylish in 20 min bursts and wrecked after 2 hours .

I am trying to my bit to keep the true springer alive. I am only breeding from old style dog's as can be seen from my pic's above. I also have 2 big bitch pup's i'll put up some pic's of them tomorrow. Now back to them dog's they use for trialing and their breeding. Well it's a well known fact. That setter's were crossed with them to give the shower old stile dog's more speed. And the good old collie to give them inteligens. so there not 100 persent springer.

TriggerPL

Hear say , and rumour , can't see the setter being breed into them cause that brings size and there going opposite way . Collie was ment to be put into several breeds 100 years ago .

It's been discussed a load of time on forum and end up a **** fest of posts .


Put up few more pic when ever ya get a chance would be great to see them

snipe49

TriggerPL wrote: »

Hear say , and rumour , can't see the setter being breed into them cause that brings size and there going opposite way . Collie was ment to be put into several breeds 100 years ago .

It's been discussed a load of time on forum and end up a **** fest of posts .


Put up few more pic when ever ya get a chance would be great to see them

The 2 bitch pups said i would put pic up of. both 5 months unrelated. what do u think.

allan450

nice little dogs best of luck with them.like the jeep also

Beretta man

Lovely strong pups mate,nice markings too

snipe49

Beretta man wrote: »

Lovely strong pups mate,nice markings too

Thank u there showing great promise to.

jap gt

snipe49 wrote: »

Thank u there showing great promise to.

all lovely dogs, how many have you

snipe49

jap gt wrote: »

all lovely dogs, how many have you

Thank u pal i have 7.

jap gt

snipe49 wrote: »

Thank u pal i have 7.

how is the dog in your opening post making out