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sheebadog · 06-05-2014 01:15PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

10 years ago I'd be over to u like a shot Sheba.try an add in the journal there's lots of very knowledgeable guys knocking around this country who'd jump at the chance to work in an operation like yours ,learn French and have a bit of nice weather on their back!!!

You'd be surprised how hard it is to get someone Mahoney.
Celtic tiger cubs who demand €1000/wk are beginning to get on my goat.
Young lads that "steered" a combine once in Australia are the most annoying - they reckon they deserve the same money as a soccer player! And 'tis they should be paying me!

Mad4simmental · 06-05-2014 02:16PM

sheebadog wrote: »

You'd be surprised how hard it is to get someone Mahoney.
Celtic tiger cubs who demand €1000/wk are beginning to get on my goat.
Young lads that "steered" a combine once in Australia are the most annoying - they reckon they deserve the same money as a soccer player! And 'tis they should be paying me!

Haaaaa, so true,
You have no idea the amount of s$it I ust to listen to in pubs in oz about this whilst I nod my head like one of those toy dogs in a car.
I ust to call the GAA jerseys gob****e attractors there. Blokes out there a wet week and done it all.
There are sum good blokes but probably very hard to find.

Viewtodiefor · 06-05-2014 02:29PM

frazzledhome wrote: »

Like Brown Thomas make up counter here this am

Would that bar not break a guys arm if cow went down or slipped?

sheebadog · 06-05-2014 03:22PM

Mad4simmental wrote: »

Haaaaa, so true,
You have no idea the amount of s$it I ust to listen to in pubs in oz about this whilst I nod my head like one of those toy dogs in a car.
I ust to call the GAA jerseys gob****e attractors there. Blokes out there a wet week and done it all.
There are sum good blokes but probably very hard to find.

I believe you, it's the truth.
Did a harvest in Oz back in the day driving combines and road trains.
If you didn't pick the header off the trolley first time you got jocked off. And I was driving combines since I was 14yrs old.
Had a guy from N.Ireland 20yrs old telling me he would drive the combine for the harvest but would have to get €1000/week in hand + house + phone + car !!
Comes from a farm with 20 suckler cows but spent 3 months in Oz.

Damo810 · 06-05-2014 05:17PM

sheebadog wrote: »

I believe you, it's the truth.
Did a harvest in Oz back in the day driving combines and road trains.
If you didn't pick the header off the trolley first time you got jocked off. And I was driving combines since I was 14yrs old.
Had a guy from N.Ireland 20yrs old telling me he would drive the combine for the harvest but would have to get €1000/week in hand + house + phone + car !!
Comes from a farm with 20 suckler cows but spent 3 months in Oz.

How do lads end up over there expecting that kind of money when they know full well they wouldn't get anything over there.

What would be the average salary for a farm worker over there?

sheebadog · 06-05-2014 05:31PM

Damo810 wrote: »

How do lads end up over there expecting that kind of money when they know full well they wouldn't get anything over there.

What would be the average salary for a farm worker over there?

Totally depends on experience and ability, so impossible to say really.

jaymla627 · 06-05-2014 06:15PM

sheebadog wrote: »

Totally depends on experience and ability, so impossible to say really.

I done a year and a half out their working/managing on dairy farms in Oz, average wage was around 20 dollars an hour converted back it worked out at 16 euro an hour at the time that was just for basic milking/tractor work, on the last place i managed i was clearing 1,000 euro a week clear after tax with a house/jeep provided but was doing 75 hour plus weeks...

Greengrass1 · 06-05-2014 06:28PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

I done a year and a half out their working/managing on dairy farms in Oz, average wage was around 20 dollars an hour converted back it worked out at 16 euro an hour at the time that was just for basic milking/tractor work, on the last place i managed i was clearing 1,000 euro a week clear after tax with a house/jeep provided but was doing 75 hour plus weeks...

Was told out in Saudi you can make something like 60+ k tax free milking for a year

jaymla627 · 06-05-2014 06:35PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Was told out in Saudi you can make something like 60+ k tax free milking for a year

Friend has just gone out to saudi to work for that company that was on the journal milking 22,000 cows, he's starting of on 80,000 grand a year, but had to commit to a 3 year contract unreal way of making money if you prepared to do it

sheebadog · 06-05-2014 06:47PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

I done a year and a half out their working/managing on dairy farms in Oz, average wage was around 20 dollars an hour converted back it worked out at 16 euro an hour at the time that was just for basic milking/tractor work, on the last place i managed i was clearing 1,000 euro a week clear after tax with a house/jeep provided but was doing 75 hour plus weeks...

Made good money in Oz way back.
Was spraying cotton by night but after a few months I couldn't take it anymore.
I was handling heavy insecticides, so heavy that the agronomists wouldn't walk the crops for a week after application.

Damo810 · 06-05-2014 06:57PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Was told out in Saudi you can make something like 60+ k tax free milking for a year

Would it take much for you get a job out there. I know theres been some problems with the law over there being strict, but i'd work my arse off to get a chance of making 60K+ a year milking cows etc..

st1979 · 06-05-2014 08:03PM

What sort of gross pay do herd managers get in ireland. I see lots of ads recently for managers and assistant managers on farms with 150 cows. With 150 cows i cant imagine the pay would be massive. And every ad i see has salary negotiable.

Greengrass1 · 06-05-2014 08:15PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

Friend has just gone out to saudi to work for that company that was on the journal milking 22,000 cows, he's starting of on 80,000 grand a year, but had to commit to a 3 year contract unreal way of making money if you prepared to do it

Yep a very good way. If I had no home farm and wanted to get milking I'd spend a few year out there to build up money

mahoney_j · 06-05-2014 08:26PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Yep a very good way. If I had no home farm and wanted to get milking I'd spend a few year out there to build up money

But they've no greengrass out there gg and its a hi input/output system and none of them feckin x breeds u love!!!.maby it'd convert u!!

Greengrass1 · 06-05-2014 08:36PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

But they've no greengrass out there gg and its a hi input/output system and none of them feckin x breeds u love!!!.maby it'd convert u!!

Nothing wrong with a well run system. As long as I got a wage I'd be happy

C0N0R · 06-05-2014 09:07PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Nothing wrong with a well run system. As long as I got a wage I'd be happy

On those wages ya wouldn't even be milking the cows, it's less farming more management roles.

frazzledhome · 07-05-2014 06:18AM

Viewtodiefor wrote: »

Would that bar not break a guys arm if cow went down or slipped?

It's in 12 years now and a cow never went down. They are really comfortable in it. You'll get the odd curr that'll jump out.

You've made me paranoid about it now ðŸ˜„

Viewtodiefor · 07-05-2014 08:12AM

frazzledhome wrote: »

It's in 12 years now and a cow never went down. They are really comfortable in it. You'll get the odd curr that'll jump out.

You've made me paranoid about it now ðŸ˜„

For some reason it crossed my mind don't know why! How high is the bar? If its going 12 yrs tis prob fine sure, looks a handy job, any problems getting them into it correctly ? Iykwim?

whelan2 · 07-05-2014 09:24AM

going to change liners, will put shells and cups in dishwasher and see how it goes, could save alot of elbow grease

Deepsouthwest · 07-05-2014 09:37AM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

No cows bulling to day. 50% bulled at 2 weeks. That's only cows that are 9 weeks plus calved. Would be 80% if everything was served

I think ur crazy not serving cows unless they're 9 wks calved, ur missing the only chance of shortening ur calving interval. Everything that's seen bulling is served here, even if they're only calved a few wks, will use a test bull, or some older straws left in the flask on those cows. Calving interval here is 363 days.

Greengrass1 · 07-05-2014 10:03AM

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

I think ur crazy not serving cows unless they're 9 wks calved, ur missing the only chance of shortening ur calving interval. Everything that's seen bulling is served here, even if they're only calved a few wks, will use a test bull, or some older straws left in the flask on those cows. Calving interval here is 363 days.

Yes I know but only do much things I can change the fathers view on in one year.
This year alone I've gotten an 8 WK autumn calving pattern where before we calved cows from sept all the way to march.
Kept breeding away so no cows calve till very end of Jan.
And I've gotten him to serve heifers so they Calve at 2 and not 2.5yrs old.
My calving will be back over 400 this year but I've done a lot of work. So I should see it drop in coming years.
Can't be arguing over something different everyday. He'll very quickly become very pee'd off. I'll work on serving everything next year.

Anyway say most of them cows do hold? Won't I be doing a hell of a lot better than most lads? Very few lads I know calving 50% of there herd in 2 weeks

Viewtodiefor · 07-05-2014 10:42AM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Yes I know but only do much things I can change the fathers view on in one year.
This year alone I've gotten an 8 WK autumn calving pattern where before we calved cows from sept all the way to march.
Kept breeding away so no cows calve till very end of Jan.
And I've gotten him to serve heifers so they Calve at 2 and not 2.5yrs old.
My calving will be back over 400 this year but I've done a lot of work. So I should see it drop in coming years.
Can't be arguing over something different everyday. He'll very quickly become very pee'd off. I'll work on serving everything next year.

Anyway say most of them cows do hold? Won't I be doing a hell of a lot better than most lads? Very few lads I know calving 50% of there herd in 2 weeks

Have the same problem myself, some battles are better left unfought

frazzledhome · 07-05-2014 11:17AM

Viewtodiefor wrote: »

Have the same problem myself, some battles are better left unfought

Very wise, pick the ones you're going to win otherwise you'll be fighting all the time

Milked out · 07-05-2014 01:52PM

How are the fat to protein ratios going with ye lads?, got results the last few collections, p is around the 3.58 mark with the fat ranging from 3.55 to 3.82, but afew too many are on the low side but they are intermittant enuv, cows seem to be fine not overly loose and milking well at 27l, so was wondering should I take action to try and keep up the fat a bit and what should it be or am I worrying over nothing. Have had a good few repeats in the last few days also

Viewtodiefor · 07-05-2014 02:05PM

Milked out wrote: »

How are the fat to protein ratios going with ye lads?, got results the last few collections, p is around the 3.58 mark with the fat ranging from 3.55 to 3.82, but afew too many are on the low side but they are intermittant enuv, cows seem to be fine not overly loose and milking well at 27l, so was wondering should I take action to try and keep up the fat a bit and what should it be or am I worrying over nothing. Have had a good few repeats in the last few days also

Last test fat 4.13 p 3.35 avg 25lts

Fat did drop about two weeks ago to 3.65 but came back staying around 3.95 to 4.05 now

mahoney_j · 07-05-2014 02:42PM

Fat ranging 3.56 to 3.72 and protein 3.43 to 3.49 last few collections,grass very lush and wet not helping

Greengrass1 · 07-05-2014 02:47PM

P 3.59
Fat 4.06
25l
SCC 72
Urea 39

Timmaay · 07-05-2014 03:12PM

Milked out wrote: »

How are the fat to protein ratios going with ye lads?, got results the last few collections, p is around the 3.58 mark with the fat ranging from 3.55 to 3.82, but afew too many are on the low side but they are intermittant enuv, cows seem to be fine not overly loose and milking well at 27l, so was wondering should I take action to try and keep up the fat a bit and what should it be or am I worrying over nothing. Have had a good few repeats in the last few days also

In fairness that's an excellent P %, so I wouldn't worry hugely. Abit of acid buff on the nuts maybe.

Viewtodiefor · 07-05-2014 03:18PM

Good proteins lads how ye getting them up to that level? I'm allocating 12 hour blocks I'm wondering if I had 24 hr one would mine improve some?

mahoney_j · 07-05-2014 03:22PM

Viewtodiefor wrote: »

Good proteins lads how ye getting them up to that level? I'm allocating 12 hour blocks I'm wondering if I had 24 hr one would mine improve some?

I'm on 36 to 48 hour blocks,with 12 hours cows are been forced to graze tight every 12 hours whereas with 36 or 48 hour blocks it's only once every 1.5 to 2 days ,big help.

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