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freedominacup

frazzledhome wrote: »

4.48 p, how much are you getting for that milk?

I wish. 3.38 & 3.88 . Sorry.

freedominacup

Timmaay wrote: »

I'm guessing he was out with the bf also? Freedom and Je ha, thats an insult and a 1/2 I'd say. 26l doesn't seem like much from his 10kl/yr HOs either, are a decent few autumn calved? Or maybe he is ripping the piss with his figures ha?

The 10k were the old herd. 6100 delivered in past 12 months. 30 percent autumn. 25 percent heifers. CI up in the air a fair bit. Probably 10 percent carryover from last spring to this autumn.

freedominacup

frazzledhome wrote: »

A Leinster jersey

For wiping sh1tty tails.

satstheway

How do you get best results with Estrumate on cows. Or are there better methods

frazzledhome

freedominacup wrote: »

I wish. 3.38 & 3.88 . Sorry.

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Deepsouthwest

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

How's ground holding up with ye. Cows finished up in a 48 hour paddock this evening. 4 grazings plus last nights rain didn't do it any favours.
Had 18 heifers bulling last night ( estrumate is working well) and they ploughed a paddock. Things would want to dry up next week.

Ground fairly tender here again at the mo, maiden heifers did crazy damage to a field at the wkend, they're back inside by night while I'm AI-ing them, they had 3 hrs out today, and did a bit of marking in that much time. Cows on v dry ground (by my standards) so not doing much harm, but looks I'll be 12 hr allocations again for a while. Put away the strip wire and posts last wk, but that was v short lived!

frazzledhome

Have 35 bull calves here unsold. They are hitting 5 wks old on average.

The thoughts of the mart and getting 50-60 each is less than appealing considering they are well into a bag of milk replacer at this stage.

Since I have no hope of recouping my expense to date, I'm of a mind to keep them till Oct.

In a normal year what money could I expect if I do this? This thought process is completely new to me

freedominacup

frazzledhome wrote: »

Have 35 bull calves here unsold. They are hitting 5 wks old on average.

The thoughts of the mart and getting 50-60 each is less than appealing considering they are well into a bag of milk replacer at this stage.

Since I have no hope of recouping my expense to date, I'm of a mind to keep them till Oct.

In a normal year what money could I expect if I do this? This thought process is completely new to me

Speaking as someone who has reared a good few of these boys over the years take yer bateing now, it'll be less painful in the long run. You'll get your hole opened everytime with B&W bulls between new born and slaughter. They are what they are as young calves and you can make a few quid from them in a reasonable year finished. In between bring plenty of vaseline and a chair that's at the right height for you to bend over comfortably. No sense in making the experience of being rode any worse than it has to be.

mahoney_j

freedominacup wrote: »

Speaking as someone who has reared a good few of these boys over the years take yer bateing now, it'll be less painful in the long run. You'll get your hole opened everytime with B&W bulls between new born and slaughter. They are what they are as young calves and you can make a few quid from them in a reasonable year finished. In between bring plenty of vaseline and a chair that's at the right height for you to bend over comfortably. No sense in making the experience of being rode any worse than it has to be.

Yeadh agree,think holding them till sept I'd a mistake as you'll have the hard work done with them .getvrid now!!

frazzledhome

freedominacup wrote: »

Speaking as someone who has reared a good few of these boys over the years take yer bateing now, it'll be less painful in the long run. You'll get your hole opened everytime with B&W bulls between new born and slaughter. They are what they are as young calves and you can make a few quid from them in a reasonable year finished. In between bring plenty of vaseline and a chair that's at the right height for you to bend over comfortably. No sense in making the experience of being rode any worse than it has to be.

Lol
You've clearly been on the receiving end

whelan2

are they jex or fr? local farmer had september /october born friesian bulls from last year in mart this week , he got 300 each... if they where mine i would load them up and get rid

freedominacup

frazzledhome wrote: »

Lol
You've clearly been on the receiving end

Yeah but they also provided the bulk of the capital we needed to get back into cows. But that was 2011 never to be repeated. Anything with 4 legs and a pulse was being fought over.

Greengrass1

freedominacup wrote: »

Speaking as someone who has reared a good few of these boys over the years take yer bateing now, it'll be less painful in the long run. You'll get your hole opened everytime with B&W bulls between new born and slaughter. They are what they are as young calves and you can make a few quid from them in a reasonable year finished. In between bring plenty of vaseline and a chair that's at the right height for you to bend over comfortably. No sense in making the experience of being rode any worse than it has to be.

Ye get rid. We sold all here in Feb/march and only averaged 300e. If I had kept and finished I would have got 1 k a piece but don't have the sheds or grass for them

RightTurnClyde

On the other hand ...
Fodder looks like it's going to be plentiful next winter
Grain is cheap(ish)
2yr olds will be scarce next autumn ( calves of terrible spring 2013)
2yrs old will be scarce next autumn ( some will be killed as bulls already)
You have the big money spent on them

So there may be a feel good factor around next autumn for buyers of weanlings.
If you have the grass and can be carried cheap, what have you got to loose. The big work/money is done

That said I sold all the bulls and AA/HE heifers, tight on grass. But if I wasn't carrying so many maiden heifers, I would have held a few this year. And I don't like beef.

leg wax

freedominacup wrote: »

Yeah but they also provided the bulk of the capital we needed to get back into cows. But that was 2011 never to be repeated. Anything with 4 legs and a pulse was being fought over.

where did you source your cows from.

Greengrass1

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

On the other hand ...
Fodder looks like it's going to be plentiful next winter
Grain is cheap(ish)
2yr olds will be scarce next autumn ( calves of terrible spring 2013)
2yrs old will be scarce next autumn ( some will be killed as bulls already)
You have the big money spent on them

So there may be a feel good factor around next autumn for buyers of weanlings.
If you have the grass and can be carried cheap, what have you got to loose. The big work/money is done

That said I sold all the bulls and AA/HE heifers, tight on grass. But if I wasn't carrying so many maiden heifers, I would have held a few this year. And I don't like beef.

Yep man in my discussion group who hasn't kept a beef animal in 25 yrs plus gas kept 40 AA calves this year because he got extra ground with sheds and all.

freedominacup

leg wax wrote: »

where did you source your cows from.

pm sent.

Brown Podzol

Did this for years. Put rings on the last of the fr bulls yesterday, not on the nose ,on the other end. Never say never but I will never do bulls again. The best day ever there is only pittance out of them compared with milk. The factories, the meal bills, the sick, the lame and the disabled. At least when you give meal to a cow you will be paid for the milk before you have to pay for the feed, you may never be paid for the meal fed to a bull. There may be a few quid to be made next autumn selling these as weanlings but it won't have been worth the hassle doseing, feeding and keeping grass in front of them. Sell and make a silage from the ground is my advice.

Timmaay

Flogged on the most of the beef animals yesterday finally. It was a mixed bag of yearlings frs , LMs etc. All culls will be let on straight from the parlour in future also. And the main thing I'd expect is profits to keep on increasing even though we are down 50acres.

whelan2

lad that does hoof pairing was saying he was squeezing bulls for a farmer, the farmer said squeeze them all. He arrived back a while later and asked had he done 1 particular bull, the hoof care man said, they are all done. The farmers stockbull was in the group, he had paid 2k for him:eek:

Greengrass1

Calves can't get fluke thus early can they?
Let out dozen two weeks ago and 3 are in direr condition. Father put them on worse paddock in place that gets **** all sun light and now 3 of them are half dead with worms. Dung is like water. Dosed them this morning

whelan2

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Calves can't get fluke thus early can they?
Let out dozen two weeks ago and 3 are in direr condition. Father put them on worse paddock in place that gets **** all sun light and now 3 of them are half dead with worms. Dung is like water. Dosed them this morning

coccidiosis?

Greengrass1

whelan2 wrote: »

coccidiosis?

Not likely. Really look like calves that have a worm or fluke problem

whelan2

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Not likely. Really look like calves that have a worm or fluke problem

would they get them that soon after going out?

Greengrass1

whelan2 wrote: »

would they get them that soon after going out?

Been out for 3 weeks but never seen it this bad before

Base price

Were they drinking dirty water from pools? If so they could have a worm burden. Happened here with one batch 2 years ago. Pool of dirty water around the drinker and they drank it instead of the clean water.

whelan2

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Been out for 3 weeks but never seen it this bad before

Are they on meal? Seems strange alright.

Greengrass1

Base price wrote: »

Were they drinking dirty water from pools? If so they could have a worm burden. Happened here with one batch 2 years ago. Pool of dirty water around the drinker and they drank it instead of the clean water.

Drinking from a stream on out farm. No pools of water from what I seen

Greengrass1

whelan2 wrote: »

Are they on meal? Seems strange alright.

Ye there getting half a kg each. Just to keep em tame like

Milked out

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Ye there getting half a kg each. Just to keep em tame like

Id say dung sample straight away, at least you'd know for sure then in case any more get sick, i wouldn't discount cocidiosis either