Can I still lose weight by drinking fizzy drinks

Blacktie. · 29-04-2014 12:55PM

mulbot wrote: »

so it would be fine to eat a full size dinner before bed?

Again I do this regularly and I'm not in any trouble for fat gain. What's your reasoning behind late at night being bad? How would eating late lead to more fat gain?

And skipping breakfast... ever hear of leangains?

mulbot · 29-04-2014 01:22PM

Blacktie. wrote: »

Again I do this regularly and I'm not in any trouble for fat gain. What's your reasoning behind late at night being bad? How would eating late lead to more fat gain?

And skipping breakfast... ever hear of leangains?

very simply(and i've studied it)and in relation to carbs,once the carbs are converted to sugars and the glycogen storage levels are reached,they convert in the liver to triglycerides(fats) (as the body wont waste excess energy) and are transported to the fat cells for long term storage- and that happens all within the normal person sleep timeframe.

and no i never heard of leangains,but it's similiar to intermittent fasting,it migght work yea,but for someone to get up and try work etc,the low blood sugar levels will cause side affects,irritability,inability to concentrate etc.

runawaybishop · 29-04-2014 01:28PM

mulbot wrote: »

very simply(and i've studied it)and in relation to carbs,once the carbs are converted to sugars and the glycogen storage levels are reached,they convert in the liver to triglycerides(fats) (as the body wont waste excess energy) and are transported to the fat cells for long term storage- and that happens all within the normal person sleep timeframe.

and no i never heard of leangains,but it's similiar to intermittent fasting,it migght work yea,but for someone to get up and try work etc,the low blood sugar levels will cause side affects,irritability,inability to concentrate etc.

Where did you study it, in 1970? Honestly, this stuff is widely discredited and not considered relevant any more.

Squat Rack Curler · 29-04-2014 01:32PM

mulbot wrote: »

very simply(and i've studied it)and in relation to carbs,once the carbs are converted to sugars and the glycogen storage levels are reached,they convert in the liver to triglycerides(fats) (as the body wont waste excess energy) and are transported to the fat cells for long term storage- and that happens all within the normal person sleep timeframe.

and no i never heard of leangains,but it's similiar to intermittent fasting,it migght work yea,but for someone to get up and try work etc,the low blood sugar levels will cause side affects,irritability,inability to concentrate etc.

de novo lipogenesis never occurs in humans under normal circumstances

Blacktie. · 29-04-2014 01:35PM

mulbot wrote: »

very simply(and i've studied it)and in relation to carbs,once the carbs are converted to sugars and the glycogen storage levels are reached,they convert in the liver to triglycerides(fats) (as the body wont waste excess energy) and are transported to the fat cells for long term storage- and that happens all within the normal person sleep timeframe.

and no i never heard of leangains,but it's similiar to intermittent fasting,it migght work yea,but for someone to get up and try work etc,the low blood sugar levels will cause side affects,irritability,inability to concentrate etc.

So you're saying if I'm in a deficit and I eat late at night I'm going to gain fat?

mulbot · 29-04-2014 02:15PM

Blacktie. wrote: »

So you're saying if I'm in a deficit and I eat late at night I'm going to gain fat?

i'm talking CARBS here, if you are in a deficit and u eat mostly protein you will reserve more of your muscle,but if you eat alot of carbs,not enough protein and are still in deficit you will lose WEIGHT but not necessarily much fat

Taylor365 · 29-04-2014 02:17PM

I estimate your daily intake to be 2800 calories and 150g of sugar from the diet you put up. (only an estimate, it's probably more with those white bread buttered sambos)

You say 'beans' as part of your dinner so i assume they're of the baked variety (and with gravy?.....).

You have next to no lunch.

You can lose weight, your just making it very hard for yourself.

Blacktie. · 29-04-2014 02:19PM

mulbot wrote: »

i'm talking CARBS here, if you are in a deficit and u eat mostly protein you will reserve more of your muscle,but if you eat alot of carbs,not enough protein and are still in deficit you will lose WEIGHT but not necessarily much fat

Ok so if I eat a meal late at night with a decent amount of protein , a small bit of carbs and fat then will I gain weight on a deficit as you stated?

mulbot · 29-04-2014 02:26PM

Blacktie. wrote: »

Ok so if I eat a meal late at night with a decent amount of protein , a small bit of carbs and fat then will I gain weight on a deficit as you stated?

show me any quote where i said you will GAIN WEIGHT

runawaybishop · 29-04-2014 02:31PM

mulbot wrote: »

i'm talking CARBS here, if you are in a deficit and u eat mostly protein you will reserve more of your muscle,but if you eat alot of carbs,not enough protein and are still in deficit you will lose WEIGHT but not necessarily much fat

If you are in a deficient and you keep lifting and eat protein you will preserve muscle. You will not preserve muscle if you do not stimulate it.

Anyway, we were talking about eating before bed and skipping breakfast. Both of which are fine.

Blacktie. · 29-04-2014 02:32PM

mulbot wrote: »

show me any quote where i said you will GAIN WEIGHT

Ok so you're saying if you eat late at night you're body is going to store fat but still eat away at muscle? Seriously?

colly3 · 29-04-2014 02:39PM

I have read each and every comment on this thread as the OP more or less hit on the topic I wanted to start, now, after all the ungrateful replies and his reluctance to even give the most basic information from people who know what they are talking about to HELP HIM, I just despair! The the revelation of the usual daily meals set ....

I've put on 4 - 5 stone in 18 months (I am now afraid to even stand on the scales) I went from 40 / 50 fags a day to zero 18 months ago with no nicotine replacement products, my fag "replacement" was far worse - FOOD!

I am horrified at what I have allowed myself to become. I knew the weight was creeping on yet chose to continue my rocky road to ruin.

I am ashamed to admit I am very like the OP, I kid myself into thinking my current diet is "healthy", it's not and portion size needs to be slashed. I too have said I "don't like" (whatever the alternative, low fat item may be) but the realisation is hitting me that what I like doesn't really enter into it if I am to lose this pile of blubber.

For all of you straight talking, helpful people on this thread, I thank you for saying it as it is without the sugared coated candy coating - no one as blind as those who refuse to see and still expect miracles!! The one thing I have taken from this thread is the fact that weight loss is predominantly based on intake, exercise is secondary. That one fact has given me the incentive to change, starting today!

Lestat00 · 29-04-2014 02:58PM

Hi all,

I have also read all the comments in this thread and found it very helpful.

I joined the gym last Wed and changed my diet. I am starting from around 25 stone but I am dedicated to getting the weight down this time. Over the years I have yo yo-ed a bit and I think the most important thing I have learned is dont stop eating! Just eat the proper things. As in have a proper breakfast, lunch and dinner. People in previous posts have mentioned the proper foods to be eating.

Also I really overdosed on the coke zero over the years and in my opinion its best to just eliminate it from your diet. I think it gives you sugar cravings. After 4-6 days you will feel a bit low without it but power through, it gets better!

mulbot · 29-04-2014 03:05PM

Blacktie. wrote: »

Ok so you're saying if you eat late at night you're body is going to store fat but still eat away at muscle? Seriously?

i notice you ignored my last post!! trying to force words shows what kind of person you are. And if you know anything about the biology of the human body you would know muscle can be eaten away while the fat levels stay the same-go educate yourself a little bit

Blacktie. · 29-04-2014 03:08PM

mulbot wrote: »

i notice you ignored my last post!! trying to force words shows what kind of person you are. And if you know anything about the biology of the human body you would know muscle can be eaten away while the fat levels stay the same-go educate yourself a little bit

Where am I forcing words? I can't see what else you're trying to say. I'm not ignoring your previous post I'm re wording my question based on it.

And now you're rewording your entire argument. Yes I can see how muscle would wear away keeping the same fat levels. But creating fat while wearing away muscle? I don't think so.

runawaybishop · 29-04-2014 03:09PM

mulbot wrote: »

i notice you ignored my last post!!

Its a pity we didn't ignore them all.

mulbot · 29-04-2014 03:20PM

Blacktie. wrote: »

Where am I forcing words? I can't see what else you're trying to say. I'm not ignoring your previous post I'm re wording my question based on it.

And now you're rewording your entire argument. Yes I can see how muscle would wear away keeping the same fat levels. But creating fat while wearing away muscle? I don't think so.

you put it that i had said you can gain weight-i asked you to show the quote,you didn't-

so now you agree fat levels can stay while muscle wastes- and yes it is possible to be adding fat,i'm not gettingb into it but it's got to do with insulin sensitivity.
look, this thread was asked about weight loss and advice,i'm entitled to give my opinion and i'm giving that based on my studies and my experience(from both my own training and training others).. instead of continually attacking my posts maybe give your own advice as to why and how to the OP

runawaybishop · 29-04-2014 03:24PM

mulbot wrote: »

instead of continually attacking my posts maybe give your own advice as to why and how to the OP[/B]

Post 4 :rolleyes:

Blacktie. · 29-04-2014 03:32PM

mulbot wrote: »

you put it that i had said you can gain weight-i asked you to show the quote,you didn't-

so now you agree fat levels can stay while muscle wastes- and yes it is possible to be adding fat,i'm not gettingb into it but it's got to do with insulin sensitivity.

I'm questioning your reasoning. Correct you are entitled to your opinion. And I'm entitled to question it. A lot of your points I agree. Yes of course macro composition is important for retaining muscle and ensuring the majority of weight loss is fat. An adequate amount of protein with some resistance training will make muscle loss minimal.

However I do not agree at all with your point that you will gain fat and lose muscle. Cannot see where you're coming from with that.

And yea I changed my wording because you are correct you didn;t say gain weight you said gain fat. And gaining fat without weight means a loss of an equal weight in muscle. Hence the reworded question and me "forcing words on you".

look, this thread was asked about weight loss and advice,i'm entitled to give my opinion and i'm giving that based on my studies and my experience(from both my own training and training others).. instead of continually attacking my posts maybe give your own advice as to why and how to the OP

Yeah post 4 there buddy.

colly3 · 29-04-2014 03:41PM

Lestat00 wrote: »

Hi all,

I have also read all the comments in this thread and found it very helpful.

I joined the gym last Wed and changed my diet. I am starting from around 25 stone but I am dedicated to getting the weight down this time. Over the years I have yo yo-ed a bit and I think the most important thing I have learned is dont stop eating! Just eat the proper things. As in have a proper breakfast, lunch and dinner. People in previous posts have mentioned the proper foods to be eating.

Also I really overdosed on the coke zero over the years and in my opinion its best to just eliminate it from your diet. I think it gives you sugar cravings. After 4-6 days you will feel a bit low without it but power through, it gets better!

Best of luck with the "new" you

mulbot · 29-04-2014 03:45PM

runawaybishop wrote: »

Post 4 :rolleyes:

" it doesn't matter what you eat once the calories in are less than the calories out"

would you consider that advice?:eek:

Blacktie. · 29-04-2014 03:49PM

mulbot wrote: »

" it doesn't matter what you eat once the calories in are less than the calories out"

would you consider that advice?:eek:

Did you read the entire post?

Theoretically it doesn't matter what you eat once the calories in are less than the calories out but in practice if you don't have a decent diet you will cave and binge eat at some stage.

mulbot · 29-04-2014 03:54PM

Blacktie. wrote: »

I'm questioning your reasoning. Correct you are entitled to your opinion. And I'm entitled to question it. A lot of your points I agree. Yes of course macro composition is important for retaining muscle and ensuring the majority of weight loss is fat. An adequate amount of protein with some resistance training will make muscle loss minimal.

However I do not agree at all with your point that you will gain fat and lose muscle. Cannot see where you're coming from with that.

And yea I changed my wording because you are correct you didn;t say gain weight you said gain fat. And gaining fat without weight means a loss of an equal weight in muscle. Hence the reworded question and me "forcing words on you".

as i said,insulin sensitivity can cause this,a lack of protein while an abundance of fat and carbs can (if not used) cause sugar conversion to triglycerides and be stored as fat,in the existing fat cells and creating new cells-

now,once again,if you have a problem with my posts,dont attack,you can argue all you want but maybe include your facts and examples

Alf Veedersane · 29-04-2014 03:59PM

I'm guessing the OP has long since fallen off the wagon and is sitting under a bridge somewhere drinking Coca Cola.

runawaybishop · 29-04-2014 04:02PM

mulbot wrote: »

" it doesn't matter what you eat once the calories in are less than the calories out"

would you consider that advice?:eek:

Don't selectively quote.

colly3 · 29-04-2014 04:33PM

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

I'm guessing the OP has long since fallen off the wagon and is sitting under a bridge somewhere drinking Coca Cola.

You're very naughty

Alf Veedersane · 29-04-2014 04:44PM

colly3 wrote: »

You're very naughty

Any excuse...

29-04-2014 04:58PM

mulbot wrote: »

i'm entitled to give my opinion

You're not entitled to be listened to or believed without question

colly3 · 29-04-2014 05:02PM

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Any excuse...

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Can I still lose weight by drinking fizzy drinks

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