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Can I still lose weight by drinking fizzy drinks

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,522 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Bacchus wrote: »
    I agree that a lot of brown sliced pan options out there are not much better than sliced white but that's doesn't mean one can't get good breads instead of eating white bread, which offers very little nutritional value. Ok, white isn't stripped of "all" value but it is striped of a lot. There are better breads (and other foods) to be eating first thing in the morning.

    Ok, whey supplement help people put on mass in the form of muscle. Often they are loaded with other stuff too to make them taste better. All I'm saying to the OP w.r.t. whey supplements is to be careful and try to sort the basics of your diet first before even considering supplements.

    Getting back the OP (this thread seems to have forgotten about him, debating low fat vs full fat), I'd be cutting out the toasted sandwiches in the evening (night?). After your dinner, you shouldn't really be eating that late. Of course, I don't know what time you eat your dinner at so it depends on that too.

    Agree about bread now.

    I think you might be thinking of mass gaining supplements. Typically whey is just whey and cocoa powder - the goal is to get the protein amount as high as possible so as little sweeteners are added as possible. Sorting out the basics before supplementation is sound advice, for anyone.

    Eating late is fine though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,829 ✭✭✭Bacchus


    Blacktie. wrote: »
    I think it makes no difference and do it regularly due to work. A decent amount of calories sometimes too.

    I think it does make a difference and of course it also depends on what you are eating, how much of it etc. It's not all black and white. A toasted white bread sandwich before bed isn't a good idea IMO. Why would you need a release of energy when you're body is about to go into shutdown mode. As I said though, I don't know what time the OP is having this toast sandwich at so it may be a moot point.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,522 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    mulbot wrote: »
    so would you say then,all calories no matter the source are the same and the body makes no difference in its use?

    We all know they are not, just as we all know that that isn't a real world example.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,522 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Bacchus wrote: »
    I think it does make a difference and of course it also depends on what you are eating, how much of it etc. It's not all black and white. A toasted white bread sandwich before bed isn't a good idea IMO. Why would you need a release of energy when you're body is about to go into shutdown mode. As I said though, I don't know what time the OP is having this toast sandwich at so it may be a moot point.

    It makes no appreciable difference. Your body doesn't go into shutdown mode.You are reading very old and debunked material.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,903 ✭✭✭Blacktie.


    mulbot wrote: »
    so would you say then,all calories no matter the source are the same and the body makes no difference in its use?

    For the sake of weight loss the source doesn't matter. If you're on a deficit you'll lose weight. For the sake of retaining muscle and health (and sanity!) of course macros matter.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,830 ✭✭✭mulbot


    Blacktie. wrote: »
    For the sake of weight loss the source doesn't matter. If you're on a deficit you'll lose weight. For the sake of retaining muscle and health (and sanity!) of course macros matter.

    exactly.so i think the source matters when trying to lose weight,because its the fat people want to lose,not muscle or tone etc


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,829 ✭✭✭Bacchus


    Agree about bread now.

    I think you might be thinking of mass gaining supplements. Typically whey is just whey and cocoa powder - the goal is to get the protein amount as high as possible so as little sweeteners are added as possible. Sorting out the basics before supplementation is sound advice, for anyone.

    Eating late is fine though.

    I think you proved my point. I thought I knew about whey supplements but clearly am missing a few bits of info :) OP shouldn't go near em until he at least gets his diet sorted first. Agreed.

    With regards to eating late though, would you agree that certain foods are better than others close to bedtime? I wouldn't see the harm in a small snack but a toasted sandwich doesn't seem suitable to me. Kinda like the way, in the morning it is more beneficial to have foods that will provide a slow release of energy throughout the morning. Your body has different needs at different stages of the day. IMO, it doesn't need toasted white bread with cheese before you go to sleep. Again, I don't know the times the OP eats this at, this is speculation on my part.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,522 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Bacchus wrote: »
    With regards to eating late though, would you agree that certain foods are better than others close to bedtime? I wouldn't see the harm in a small snack but a toasted sandwich doesn't seem suitable to me. Kinda like the way, in the morning it is more beneficial to have foods that will provide a slow release of energy throughout the morning. Your body has different needs at different stages of the day. IMO, it doesn't need toasted white bread with cheese before you go to sleep. Again, I don't know the times the OP eats this at, this is speculation on my part.

    There have been lots of studies done that show that total intake is more important than intake timings. Eating food before bed wont do any harm from a dietary point of view, just like skipping breakfast is fine.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,590 ✭✭✭jane82


    Bacchus wrote: »
    I think you proved my point. I thought I knew about whey supplements but clearly am missing a few bits of info :) OP shouldn't go near em until he at least gets his diet sorted first. Agreed.

    With regards to eating late though, would you agree that certain foods are better than others close to bedtime? I wouldn't see the harm in a small snack but a toasted sandwich doesn't seem suitable to me. Kinda like the way, in the morning it is more beneficial to have foods that will provide a slow release of energy throughout the morning. Your body has different needs at different stages of the day. IMO, it doesn't need toasted white bread with cheese before you go to sleep. Again, I don't know the times the OP eats this at, this is speculation on my part.

    Nevermind bread before bed the cheese will give you nightmares.
    Baachus you need to upgrade the textbook. Your heart still beats while you sleep. A couple slices of bread will give you a better 8 hours sleep than going to bed hungry.
    Id recommend brocoli instead of bread in an ideal world.
    Footballers carb load the days coming up to a big match they dont just eat a mountain of spinach while putting their shin gaurds on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,830 ✭✭✭mulbot


    There have been lots of studies done that show that total intake is more important than intake timings. Eating food before bed wont do any harm from a dietary point of view, just like skipping breakfast is fine.

    find me one competitive bodybuilder around competition time who would agree with that! eating food late at night is the worst thing someone tryi ng to lose weight can do,and as for skipping breakfast,are you taking the mickey here


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,522 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    mulbot wrote: »
    find me one competitive bodybuilder around competition time who would agree with that! eating food late at night is the worst thing someone tryi ng to lose weight can do,and as for skipping breakfast,are you taking the mickey here

    Who said "eating food late at night is the worst thing someone tryi ng to lose weight can do"? It wasn't me anyway.

    Breakfast can be eaten or skipped, it makes no difference.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,830 ✭✭✭mulbot


    jane82 wrote: »
    Nevermind bread before bed the cheese will give you nightmares.
    Baachus you need to upgrade the textbook. Your heart still beats while you sleep. A couple slices of bread will give you a better 8 hours sleep than going to bed hungry.
    Id recommend brocoli instead of bread in an ideal world.
    Footballers carb load the days coming up to a big match they dont just eat a mountain of spinach while putting their shin gaurds on.

    that is purely only for energy,it's not a long term thing and they train so hard,so often that they use up alot of their calories


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,590 ✭✭✭jane82


    mulbot wrote: »
    that is purely only for energy,it's not a long term thing and they train so hard,so often that they use up alot of their calories

    Yes but it shows that times you eat arnt the problem. The carbs they eat on friday get used on saturday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,830 ✭✭✭mulbot


    Who said "eating food late at night is the worst thing someone tryi ng to lose weight can do"? It wasn't me anyway.

    Breakfast can be eaten or skipped, it makes no difference.

    you said it makes no difference from a dietary point of view-in the context of this thread i would say it's bad advice,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,522 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    mulbot wrote: »
    you said it makes no difference from a dietary point of view-in the context of this thread i would say it's bad advice,

    Eating before bed is fine. Skipping breakfast is fine. Its your total intake that is the most important.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,830 ✭✭✭mulbot


    jane82 wrote: »
    Yes but it shows that times you eat arnt the problem. The carbs they eat on friday get used on saturday.

    well i don't think you can compare profession footballers who do this every so often to the regular person trying to lose weight-to eat and eat carbs in the way you say would cause a person to get fat quickly


  • Posts: 81,310 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Luke Rotten Glue


    mulbot wrote: »
    eating food late at night is the worst thing someone tryi ng to lose weight can do

    Eh, if they're sitting on the couch packing away a whole thing of biscuits, maybe. If it's normal food because they happen to eat late, no


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,830 ✭✭✭mulbot


    bluewolf wrote: »
    Eh, if they're sitting on the couch packing away a whole thing of biscuits, maybe. If it's normal food because they happen to eat late, no

    so it would be fine to eat a full size dinner before bed?


  • Posts: 81,310 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Luke Rotten Glue


    Well you might be a bit awake but for "losing weight" there's no difference?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,590 ✭✭✭jane82


    mulbot wrote: »
    so it would be fine to eat a full size dinner before bed?

    Provided you are under your calories its absolutely fine for weightloss.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,829 ✭✭✭Bacchus


    jane82 wrote: »
    Nevermind bread before bed the cheese will give you nightmares.
    Baachus you need to upgrade the textbook. Your heart still beats while you sleep. A couple slices of bread will give you a better 8 hours sleep than going to bed hungry.
    Id recommend brocoli instead of bread in an ideal world.
    Footballers carb load the days coming up to a big match they dont just eat a mountain of spinach while putting their shin gaurds on.

    Don't have a textbook. I just have an interest in the subject matter and this thread caught my eye :) I wouldn't recommend going to bed hungry at all either. Which is why I keep pointing out, I've no idea what time the OP eats at in the evening.

    From a weight loss POV (which I guess is the point of this thread), yes I can see how it makes sense that it doesn't matter when you eat at all but it is a very poor approach to nutrition in general and isn't good advice. Taking a very simplistic view, how about moving some of those calories around so you have a healthy snack before your gym session, helping you get a better workout.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,802 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    mulbot wrote: »
    so it would be fine to eat a full size dinner before bed?

    How is that even relevant?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,830 ✭✭✭mulbot


    jane82 wrote: »
    Provided you are under your calories its absolutely fine for weightloss.

    weightloss yes you will lose weight but not necessarily fat and thats the mix-up i see all the time- nobody says" i want to lose weight,i've too much muscle" it's fat they refer to.. so by eating a calorie deficit but eating too many carbs you will lose weight but still keep considerable fat


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,251 ✭✭✭btkm8unsl0w5r4


    OP I think you are totally underestimating your intake in calories. If you want a simple way to loose weight fast, half your intake. Cook what you usually eat, put it on a plate and half it. Put the other half in the firdge for the next day. You will be hungry, but hungry is a normal feeling and the feeling of loosing weight.

    Once your loosing weight and you see what its all about you can get more scientific and concentrate on the macro makeup of the food and clean it all up. Dont concentrate on trying to get a totally clean, scientifically calculated and down to the gramm weighed diet packed into tupperware just yet, that comes with time if your into that sort of thing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,830 ✭✭✭mulbot


    i presume when the op put the question up it was in regards to losing FAT-as i said before people say they want to lose weight,and it's usually fat they refer to. It's clear that burning more calories than you take in will cause WEIGHTloss. My point is that when people refer to losing weight they in most cases want to lose FAT- I'm saying that eating high carbs,eating late at night etc will not cause much fat loss(can even gain fat)

    Just because you lose weight does NOT mean you will lose fat,which is the goal


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65 ✭✭Squat Rack Curler


    mulbot wrote: »
    i presume when the op put the question up it was in regards to losing FAT-as i said before people say they want to lose weight,and it's usually fat they refer to. It's clear that burning more calories than you take in will cause WEIGHTloss. My point is that when people refer to losing weight they in most cases want to lose FAT- I'm saying that eating high carbs,eating late at night etc will not cause much fat loss(can even gain fat)

    Just because you lose weight does NOT mean you will lose fat,which is the goal

    You haven't a clue


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,251 ✭✭✭btkm8unsl0w5r4


    Pedantic advice is only given to show how much the advice giver knows. Hanley said before "meet people where they are not where you want them to be". sound advice that.

    Its not weightloss BTW it is mass loss if that makes one jot of difference to anyone. ;)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,590 ✭✭✭jane82


    Do moderators not remove the old wives tales from here?
    Eat in the morning for fat loss eat at night for muscle loss?
    Thats dangerous advice for a fella who doesnt know if hes allowed coke.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,830 ✭✭✭mulbot


    You haven't a clue

    yawn,share the wisdom


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭sillysmiles


    OP your diet is key to losing weight.
    Try keeping diary of what you eat for a week and see if there is a pattern. This will help as well in accurately calorie counting. Weigh and measure pasta rice potatoes etc before you cook them. Weigh breakfast cereal too. Most of the packs give the calories as per 30g of cereal - you'd be surprised at how small 30g looks in a bowl. Personally I find porridge great in the morning for keeping you full til lunchtime.

    It's really about accurately recording everything for a week - you might surprise yourself.


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