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Season 4 Episode 3 "Breaker of Chains": *HAVE NOT NOT NOT* read the books

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  • #242
    Mickeroo
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    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    I've no problem at all with the way Daario chose to win the fight. The problem is that the duel of champions is supposed to be a morale booster for the winner and demoralizing for the loser.
    If they didn't think there were any rules why didn't they just shoot him full of arrows and spears as soon as he came into range?

    Daario only had one shot to take the guy down though. Also the Folks in the city looked pretty damn demoralised to me.

    Also, surely Selmy and Mormont would have protested if they thought not using a horse was so out of order what with all their duelling experience. I really think you're getting worked about nothing.


  • #243
    K_user
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    Falthyron wrote: »
    It doesn't have to make sense. It is purely for entertainment purposes. If they just shot him with an arrow, we (the audience) would have barely reacted - 'meh' would probably be the most stirring reaction. Instead, Dario did something 'cool' and it created an excited response. In fact, it has created this tedious debate. So in many ways, the show's creators achieved what they set out to achieve: provoke a reaction.

    Actually check out Indiana Jones. The famous scene where the guy with the swords challenged him. Indy pulled a gun and shot him dead. Everyone laughed and its still considered funny today.


  • #244
    norrie rugger
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    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    No flaws evident I'm afraid.

    1. No rules agreed upon
    2. Were they go be rules the the horse was a cheat move. The challenger does not dictate the style of combat.
    3. A knife vs a horse still favour the horse
    4. The challenger was an insult, sent by the slaveowners. To do exactly what Daeny prevented. Have one of her generals potentially sacrifice himself.


  • #245
    road dog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46 ✭road dog


    This thread is fast becoming very boring with all the silly little debates


  • #246
    Falthyron
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    K_user wrote: »
    Actually check out Indiana Jones. The famous scene where the guy with the swords challenged him. Indy pulled a guy and shot him dead. Everyone laughed and its still considered funny today.

    Agree completely. However, Indy is light-hearted so it passed as humour, where as GoT is super cereal and should be treated so. :P


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  • #247
    K_user
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    road dog wrote: »
    This thread is fast becoming very boring with all the silly little debates
    I'm finding it hilarious that someone is giving out about rules and crossbows. :D

    And how someone will continuously ignore the FACT that the Meereen man was perfectly happy to press his perceived advantage.


  • #248
    norrie rugger
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    exactly. Why is he taking the side of the guy cheating on horse?
    Harrison Ford always cheats btw. Shot the swordsman as Indy and Solo shot first


  • #249
    Dan_Solo
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    K_user wrote: »
    Actually I know quite a bit about this sort of stuff, thanks.
    You could then give us a few examples of where 8,000 men successfully besieged a city of a few 100,000 people with 100ft walls, a protected port?
    K_user wrote: »
    However the addition of Dragons changes the game a little.
    No doubt they will, but IIRC we haven't seen them yet at Meereen.


  • #250
    Artful_Badger
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    Think its time to un-follow this thread. See you all in the next un. o/


  • #251
    K_user
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    norrie rugger wrote: »
    exactly. Why is he taking the side of the guy cheating on horse?
    It seems that our fellow member believes very strongly that a city that hangs dead children up as sign posts have very strict, and slightly unheard of, rules when it comes to combat. And these rules should be obeyed without question.

    And if you don't obey them, well the weapon used to defeat them will be upgraded ten fold in the retelling...

    After that I get confused...must be my age showing... :P
    norrie rugger wrote: »
    Harrison Ford always cheats btw. Shot the swordsman as Indy and Solo shot first
    :D:D:D

    Get off my PLANE! :P


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  • #252
    Dan_Solo
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    Mickeroo wrote: »
    Daario only had one shot to take the guy down though. Also the Folks in the city looked pretty damn demoralised to me.
    They did look demoralised, the point is they wouldn't be. 8,000 men at their walls is inconsequential and they can easily see their champion wasn't defeated in single combat by any rules they were expecting. They'd just say "you had to cheat."
    If he'd pulled up the horse and shot Daario with a crossbow then I guess Danys army would be demoralized? No, they'd think the same thing.


  • #253
    Dan_Solo
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    norrie rugger wrote: »
    exactly. Why is he taking the side of the guy cheating on horse?
    Harrison Ford always cheats btw. Shot the swordsman as Indy and Solo shot first
    What are you on about? I'm not taking anybody's "side". These are fictional characters in a TV show. You are judging me by your own standards.


  • #254
    Dan_Solo
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    K_user wrote: »
    It seems that our fellow member believes very strongly that a city that hangs dead children up as sign posts have very strict, and slightly unheard of, rules when it comes to combat. And these rules should be obeyed without question.
    Oh third person? Should I take that as an insult and demand single combat? I'm bringing my crossbows!:D


  • #255
    K_user
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    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    You could then give us a few examples of where 8,000 men successfully besieged a city of a few 100,000 people with 100ft walls, a protected port?
    Yes I have yet to provide a realistic example, from history, of when a highly trained ex-slave army, lead by a Queen immune to extreme heat, with dragons, laid siege to a walled city.


    Of course you have yet to explain why you are so upset with the duel that the Meereen man was happy to partake in.

    And why you keep using crossbows in your examples.
    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    No doubt they will, but IIRC we haven't seen them yet at Meereen.
    And no doubt using them will break some rule of unfair combat, as they come under the use of WMD.


  • #256
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    K_user wrote: »
    Well when discussing a TV show its normal to complain about what happened. Its not normal to change the events and then complain about it.
    Not getting any sense or logic out of that.
    So you are saying it is not "normal" to point out internal inconsistencies in TV shows?
    YESSIR!


  • #257
    K_user
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    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    They did look demoralised, the point is they wouldn't be. 8,000 men at their walls is inconsequential and they can easily see their champion wasn't defeated in single combat by any rules they were expecting. They'd just say "you had to cheat."
    If he'd pulled up the horse and shot Daario with a crossbow then I guess Danys army would be demoralized? No, they'd think the same thing.

    Again with the crossbows? Where are you seeing these crossbows? :confused:


  • #258
    K_user
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    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Not getting any sense or logic out of that.
    So you are saying it is not "normal" to point out internal inconsistencies in TV shows?
    YESSIR!

    No, I said its not normal to watch something, completely change the context and the weapons used and then complain about it.


  • #259
    Dan_Solo
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    K_user wrote: »
    Yes I have yet to provide a realistic example, from history, of when a highly trained ex-slave army, lead by a Queen immune to extreme heat, with dragons, laid siege to a walled city.
    So you agree then that I can also say what I like about the duel and you cannot challenge me on it, 'cos, you know, it's a TV show so anything can happen whenever. Good.


  • #260
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    K_user wrote: »
    No, I said its not normal to watch something, completely change the context and the weapons used and then complain about it.

    Oh, you said I "changed events" now you are saying I "changed context"...
    That would be "changing what you said"...:)


  • #261
    K_user
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    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Oh third person? Should I take that as an insult and demand single combat? I'm bringing my crossbows!:D

    :D:D:D

    Sure, and I'll bring David. You are going down ;) :P


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  • #262
    Falthyron
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    I have decided to consult one of the treaties on the Geneva Conventions... yes, I am super cereal. It clearly states that in a fictional setting, this duel is hereby deemed legitimate. End of discussion. If you wish to pursue this further, please contact your local county councillor or George R. R. Martin.

    Source


  • #263
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    K_user wrote: »
    Again with the crossbows? Where are you seeing these crossbows? :confused:
    You are saying that in GoT world there are no accepted norms for a duel of champions, in fact the whole concept doesn't exist.
    So why did Meereen send one out? Why did Dany accept the challenge at all?


  • #264
    K_user
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    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Oh, you said I "changed events" now you are saying I "changed context"...
    That would be "changing what you said"...:)

    So you did understand the first time round :D


  • #265
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    K_user wrote: »
    So you did understand the first time round :D

    No, which is why I specifically asked you what events I had changed. Then you decided to move to "changed context".
    Which is sorta kinda a different thing completely and totally.


  • #266
    K_user
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    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    You are saying that in GoT world there are no accepted norms for a duel of champions, in fact the whole concept doesn't exist.
    So why did Meereen send one out? Why did Dany accept the challenge at all?
    I never said anything of the sort. You are the one talking about the concepts of norms and duels.

    What I've said from the start is that the Meereen soldier was happy to proceed once the challenge was accepted. If he was happy with the circumstances, then no "rules" were broken - or crossbows used :D


  • #267
    K_user
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    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    No, which is why I specifically asked you what events I had changed. Then you decided to move to "changed context".
    Which is sorta kinda a different thing completely and totally.
    And I have specifically stated, on more than one occasion, that you have avoided discussing the fact that the Meereen man was happy to proceed.


  • #268
    Penny Dreadful
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    Can we park the supposed rights and wrongs of the dual of champions now? Its been discussed to death and its a bit like flogging a dead horse at this stage. :)


  • #269
    K_user
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    Penny Dreadful wrote: »
    Can we park the supposed rights and wrongs of the dual of champions now? Its been discussed to death and its a bit like flogging a dead horse at this stage. :)
    :D

    So what are peoples thoughts on Dany's army?

    We know that she has the Unsullied, and their exact count. And we know that she has a large following of ex slaves from the other cities. But does she have the men that used to follow Daario, the Stormcrows? Is she putting together a new army of able bodied ex slaves?

    It would be interesting to get an idea of her total numbers, as it stands. Because the logistics of moving such a force around, by foot, is very difficult.


    And I'm curious about the standing army of Meereen. The reason the previous city brought in the Stormcrows was because they didn't have any army of size. Daario mentioned that most of the soldiers were slaves. So I wonder if Meereen is different?


  • #270
    Pepe LeFrits
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    Penny Dreadful wrote: »
    Can we park the supposed rights and wrongs of the dual of champions now? Its been discussed to death and its a bit like flogging a dead horse at this stage. :)
    That isn't how a dead horse is supposed to be flogged. I have examples from history to prove it.


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  • #271
    K_user
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    Pepe LeFrits wrote: »
    That isn't how a dead horse is supposed to be flogged. I have examples from history to prove it.

    But do you have the rules and are crossbows allowed? :D :P :D


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