Celtic FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014/15 Mod Warning post #6011

bobmalooka · 19-04-2014 09:51AM

CSF wrote: »

Could be with myself, or could be with this guy.

Read it again, I made it clear I want griffiths to be sacked from the start.

It won't be ok if he isn't sacked but Celtic have to go through the process of firing him (if that's what they're doing) which takes time. It's completely fine that they follow due process in my mind.

Have I dumbed it down enough for you?

rosskind · 19-04-2014 10:05AM

Where do you reckon Forster could go? Don't think any of the 10 need a new goalkeeper unless Lloris, Krul or Begovic move abroad. Would (m)any of the others go to the hassle of displacing their keeper if they have more important areas that need sorting?

Dempsey · 19-04-2014 10:57AM

rosskind wrote: »

Where do you reckon Forster could go? Don't think any of the 10 need a new goalkeeper unless Lloris, Krul or Begovic move abroad. Would (m)any of the others go to the hassle of displacing their keeper if they have more important areas that need sorting?

Benfica could come back in for him

I reckon it would take some movement for attention to turn to Forster. Hopefully that wont happen and he stays another year or 2. He's not going to join a club as 2nd string considering the effort he made to get out from Newcastle to Norwich & Celtic for first team football.

EDIT

Celtic team to play Motherwell: Forster; Herron, Ambrose, van Dijk, Izaguirre; Brown, Kayal, Johansen, Commons; Samaras, Stokes

Subs: Zaluska, Balde, Pukki, Henderson, Fridjonsson, O’Connell, Griffiths

The reaction to Griffiths, if he gets on, will be very interesting but more interested in seeing John Herron & Beram Kayal having a good game

Dempsey · 19-04-2014 11:52AM

1-0 Motherwell, John Sutton gets his 20th of the season

Efe Ambrose has another brain fart with a high ball

EDIT

Penalty saved by Neilsen.

CSF · 19-04-2014 12:19PM

bobmalooka wrote: »

Read it again, I made it clear I want griffiths to be sacked from the start.

It won't be ok if he isn't sacked but Celtic have to go through the process of firing him (if that's what they're doing) which takes time. It's completely fine that they follow due process in my mind.

Have I dumbed it down enough for you?

I was referring to the absolving Lennon of blame if it doesn't happen, not accusing you of condoning racism at your club.

bobmalooka · 19-04-2014 12:52PM

CSF wrote: »

I was referring to the absolving Lennon of blame if it doesn't happen, not accusing you of condoning racism at your club.

Fair enough, I'd imagine he's had his say and now the club have to jump through the relevant hoops.

There SFA and police are investigating, celtics decision is likely to mirror any decision they make.

And yes if he isn't sacked it won't be because of Neil Lennon, it will depend entirely on wether Griffiths comments were deemed to be rascist or not by external authorities

bobbysands81 · 19-04-2014 02:48PM

Dempsey wrote: »

2+2=5?

Him stating the reality of the situation has no reflection on his personal opinion. You are just seeing what you want to see

It's difficult to have a rational debate with someone who is irrational when it comes to Celtic.

CSF · 19-04-2014 08:35PM

bobmalooka wrote: »

Fair enough, I'd imagine he's had his say and now the club have to jump through the relevant hoops.

There SFA and police are investigating, celtics decision is likely to mirror any decision they make.

And yes if he isn't sacked it won't be because of Neil Lennon, it will depend entirely on wether Griffiths comments were deemed to be rascist or not by external authorities

Neil Lennon picks his own team each week, Leigh Griffiths remaining in it after his second unquestionable racist outburst is a serious backtrack on some pretty huge words by Lennon in the past. All well and good having morals until you actually have to act upon them.

Dempsey · 19-04-2014 08:37PM

CSF wrote: »

Neil Lennon picks his own team each week, Leigh Griffiths remaining in it after his second unquestionable racist outburst is a serious backtrack on some pretty huge words by Lennon in the past. All well and good having morals until you actually have to act upon them.

Do you think Leigh Griffith is entitled to due process or not?

CSF · 19-04-2014 08:47PM

Dempsey wrote: »

Do you think Leigh Griffith is entitled to due process or not?

Yes. Do I think he should play in the meantime while there is a video that actually shows him performing the act accused of? No. Not if Lennon takes it all as seriously as he claimed to. Which also raises the question of why Lennon would sign a player with a history of racism.

TheBuilder · 19-04-2014 08:50PM

Griffiths booked today for having words with a fan behind the goal? Not doing himself any favours with a support that's already turning against him

bobmalooka · 19-04-2014 08:57PM

CSF wrote: »

Neil Lennon picks his own team each week, Leigh Griffiths remaining in it after his second unquestionable racist outburst is a serious backtrack on some pretty huge words by Lennon in the past. All well and good having morals until you actually have to act upon them.

Do you work? If yes, have you ever seen somebody go through the process of being fired?

If Celtic left Griffiths to rot in the stands while his 'remarks' were investigated and he was subsequently fired then Griffiths lawyers would sh!t all over Celtic, because he would be able to show that Celtic had already determined the outcome of the investigation.

I don't know how else to explain it to you, perhaps you just want a cheap shot at Lennon.

Griffiths like all employees is entitled to 'due process', it doesn't matter how glaringly obvious the outcome of this process will (or should) be.

CSF · 19-04-2014 09:09PM

bobmalooka wrote: »

Do you work? If yes, have you ever seen somebody go through the process of being fired?

If Celtic left Griffiths to rot in the stands while his 'remarks' were investigated and he was subsequently fired then Griffiths lawyers would sh!t all over Celtic, because he would be able to show that Celtic had already determined the outcome of the investigation.

I don't know how else to explain it to you, perhaps you just want a cheap shot at Lennon.

Griffiths like all employees is entitled to 'due process', it doesn't matter how glaringly obvious the outcome of this process will (or should) be.

I was under the impression that suspending an employee while a process is ongoing is common enough.

Dempsey · 19-04-2014 09:11PM

CSF wrote: »

Yes. Do I think he should play in the meantime while there is a video that actually shows him performing the act accused of? No. Not if Lennon takes it all as seriously as he claimed to. Which also raises the question of why Lennon would sign a player with a history of racism.

That be one approach, not the only approach.

Dont forget that Lennon has been at the wrong end of discrimination, bigotry & hatred both verbally and physically himself. No doubt he has a thick skin about it all but not for a second do I think he's not acting in the best interests of Celtic

Similar to why would Liverpool sign a player with a history of biting players? The answer is quite obvious

TheBuilder wrote: »

Griffiths booked today for having words with a fan behind the goal? Not doing himself any favours with a support that's already turning against him

They should do experiments on him to see what exactly is between his ears

rosskind · 19-04-2014 09:12PM

Never knew about the first time, what a clown. Agree that playing him means the club probably plan on keeping him and Lennon going back on his word but I think I'm okay with that.

CSF · 19-04-2014 09:14PM

Dempsey wrote: »

That be one approach, not the only approach.

Dont forget that Lennon has been at the wrong end of discrimination, bigotry & hatred both verbally and physically himself. No doubt he has a thick skin about it all but not for a second do I think he's not acting in the best interests of Celtic

Similar to why would Liverpool sign a player with a history of biting players? The answer is quite obvious

They should do experiments on him to see what exactly is between his ears

I don't really have a problem with managers standing by classless players if they do the business on the pitch. I don't like it, but I understand it.

It's just after Lennon's big statement.

Dempsey · 19-04-2014 09:19PM

CSF wrote: »

I don't really have a problem with managers standing by classless players if they do the business on the pitch. I don't like it, but I understand it.

It's just after Lennon's big statement.

No player has been found guilty of racism yet...

Due process and all it intails once again goes over your head

RoryMac · 19-04-2014 09:24PM

I'm surprised and a little disappointed that Griffith's played today, he could easily have been left out of the squad if Lennon & the club wanted him to be without it having any effect on the case against him.

But I thought he was booked for leaving the pitch when he scored, didn't notice any incident with a fan???

rosskind · 19-04-2014 11:47PM

Dempsey wrote: »

No player has been found guilty of racism yet...

Due process and all it intails once again goes over your head

If Lennon was sticking to his word and was totally against any forms of racism, surely he wouldn't play Griffiths at all? Can't sack him without due process but can still leave him out of the team. It does make his words seem hollow but I don't blame him for it at all.

Also thought the yellow was just for excessive celebration/leaving the pitch but I could be wrong. Certainly didn't look like there'd been a confrontation when he ran back on to celebrate with Brown.

Dempsey · 20-04-2014 12:05AM

rosskind wrote: »

If Lennon was sticking to his word and was totally against any forms of racism, surely he wouldn't play Griffiths at all? Can't sack him without due process but can still leave him out of the team. It does make his words seem hollow but I don't blame him for it at all.

Also thought the yellow was just for excessive celebration/leaving the pitch but I could be wrong. Certainly didn't look like there'd been a confrontation when he ran back on to celebrate with Brown.

He could have but he didnt. I trust Lennon's decision (i.e as much as he can influence) because of what he's done for the club, whats he's endured to get there and what he strives towards.

As I said before, its a question of economics and Neil Lennons opinion will come a distant 2nd so long as PR can minimise the problem with income streams.

bobmalooka · 20-04-2014 12:06AM

CSF wrote: »

I was under the impression that suspending an employee while a process is ongoing is common enough.

It is usually,but how long will this process take? Most employees would be suspended and an investigation would be carried out in a timely manner.

Basically (I understand that) you need a timescale before you can suspend, Celtic don't have one yet. Once it becomes clear what is happening with the investigations the ball is back in celtics court until then Griffiths must be treated normally.

When dealing with gross misconduct the right decision is equally as important as the right process, I'll reserve judgement on Lennon and celtics handling of this until it plays out.

I'm sure the usual suspects will be pointing the finger at big bad Lennon regardless .

rosskind · 20-04-2014 12:18AM

Dempsey wrote: »

He could have but he didnt. I trust Lennon's decision because of what he's done for the club, whats he's endured to get there and what he strives towards.

As I said before, its a question of economics and Neil Lennons opinion will come a distant 2nd so long as PR can minimise the problem with income streams.

Agree that Lennon deserves no blame here and that even if he wanted Griffiths out, it wouldn't be (solely) down to him. I also have no problem with Lennon tolerating it because of Griffiths' quality. I just think if he was really pissed at Griffiths, just waiting for the investigation to be completed in order to sack him, then he wouldn't playing him at all.

eire4 · 21-04-2014 06:27PM

Dempsey wrote: »

Celtic defender Virgil van Dijk has no plans to leave the club after his first successful season in Glasgow. (Various)

If we can get Forster to do the same thing, we'll be doing very well indeed!

Totally agree. This is massive news and if Forster stays then we really would be in a great position heading into next season.

bobbysands81 · 22-04-2014 04:38AM

For a myriad of reasons Griffiths has to get due process here. I'd imagine Celtic are waiting to see what the SPFL/SFA determine before they make their move.

Personally I think we should get rid of him if he has been found guilty of racism.

But... as distasteful as it is, us calling someone a "refugee" really racism? Derogatory, insulting, discriminatory, negative etc it sure is but can someone point out where it's actually racist?

bobmalooka · 22-04-2014 07:22AM

bobbysands81 wrote: »

For a myriad of reasons Griffiths has to get due process here. I'd imagine Celtic are waiting to see what the SPFL/SFA determine before they make their move.

Personally I think we should get rid of him if he has been found guilty of racism.

But... as distasteful as it is, us calling someone a "refugee" really racism? Derogatory, insulting, discriminatory, negative etc it sure is but can someone point out where it's actually racist?

That's exactly what griffiths will argue, Celtic need to sit tight and see what happens.

buckfasterer · 22-04-2014 08:58AM

Moyes next club odds - Celtic 6/1.....

RoryMac · 22-04-2014 05:19PM

Mjallby is leaving at the end of the season, it'll be interesting to see who Lennon picks as his replacement

http://celticfc.net/newsstory?item=5744

Dempsey · 22-04-2014 05:34PM

RoryMac wrote: »

Mjallby is leaving at the end of the season, it'll be interesting to see who Lennon picks as his replacement

http://celticfc.net/newsstory?item=5744

Pity to see him go but he always had aspirations to manage himself. Just a question of when he'd leave.

Id imagine that garry parker will have first refusal but he strikes me as someone thats happy in his current role.

Hartson wont move far away from family so that rules him out unless he's willing to compromise.

Maybe Leigh Griffiths when he gets sacked as a player...

bobbysands81 · 22-04-2014 06:21PM

bobmalooka wrote: »

That's exactly what griffiths will argue, Celtic need to sit tight and see what happens.

Yup, that's what I think will happen.

Celtic will wait until SPFL determination, wait and see does he appeal. Whatever the conclusion they'll piggyback on.

Lennonist · 22-04-2014 06:38PM

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Yup, that's what I think will happen.

Celtic will wait until SPFL determination, wait and see does he appeal. Whatever the conclusion they'll piggyback on.

I see the hearing for Griffiths has been adjourned 'till May 22nd because there is a police investigation as well. If the police are going to charge Griffiths, does that mean that every other person in the pub caught singing that Skacel chant on camera will be charged? An awful mess for Griffiths, but it's of his own making and I'm not sure he realises it by the looks of him last Saturday after he scored.

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