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    #302
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,574 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    catallus wrote: »

    It has been shown time and again that the corrupt and the unscrupulous



    Fine you say this but what do you charge him with? What are you saying he has specifically done wrong?

    There is an element of mob mentality here and most can not even articulate what they think he is suppose to have done.

    I think my comment is a fair and accurate one.


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    #303
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,523 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    jonnny68 wrote: »
    Do you REALLY and truly believe everything you read are you that gullible as to think that this country is not rife with corruption.

    You're making claims that Ireland is one of the most corrupt countries in Western Europe. I think Transparency International is in a far better position to judge this than either of us. How much do you know of the corruption levels in other countries in Western Europe? Probably feck all considering how closed-minded you've shown yourself to be in interpreting a newspaper article.

    What do Transparency International have to gain by misrepresenting Ireland's level of corruption? I'd trust their findings far more than your anecdotal rubbish.


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    #304
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    corkonion wrote: »
    This is a great result, it sends out a strong clear message that only the underclasses need fear justice in Ireland, don't forget to pay your water charges.

    Should the courts just go with the verdict the mob wants in all cases or is the verdict only wrong in this one?

    This seems to be the case a lot of the time on boards , if its the verdict everyone wants - justice done, otherwise the court is a farce and the justice system broken.


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    #305
    Ugo Monye spacecraft experience
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,221 ✭✭✭Ugo Monye spacecraft experience


    jonnny68 wrote: »
    Eh yes I did and I believe Ireland is much worse than this '' study '' suggests.

    why? I think a study dedicated to it would know a lot more than you


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    #306
    blackplum123
    Registered Users Posts: 266 ✭✭blackplum123


    Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »
    You realise the current Government had nothing to do with this court case?

    Do you want Enda Kenny to intervene and overturn the verdict or something?


    the government can bring in legislation to screw the ordinary punter at a whim, threats of legislation changes .But they do nothing to maple 10 and co . Why isn't the regulator being brought to account for his inactions.
    How many millions did this trial cost , why was it brought if there was no prospect of a conviction . answer , to give the illusion that justice would be got for the "people"
    Bull**** Ireland.....


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    #307
    RollieFingers
    Registered Users Posts: 2,635 ✭✭✭RollieFingers


    Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »
    They look a pretty objective, reputable source. Seems to me like you're just choosing to say it's not true to suit your hysterical view on Ireland

    As you chose to tell me earlier that what I was saying wasn't true to suit your hysterical view :)


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    #308
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,523 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    jonnny68 wrote: »
    Eh yes I did and I believe Ireland is much worse than this '' study '' suggests.

    You "believe". Any evidence or are you just going to continue to rely on your anecdotal garbage?


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    #309
    Ugo Monye spacecraft experience
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,221 ✭✭✭Ugo Monye spacecraft experience


    RollieFingers wrote: »
    As you chose to tell me earlier that what I was saying wasn't true to suit your hysterical view :)

    I don't even know what you're referring to. If you think we're one of the most corrupt countries in the world that's fair enough, you're entitled to your misguided delusion


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    #310
    RollieFingers
    Registered Users Posts: 2,635 ✭✭✭RollieFingers


    Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »
    I don't even know what you're referring to

    You said it wasn't true when I said people walked out of a restaurant he chose to dine in!


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    #311
    Guy:Incognito
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    Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »
    why? I think a study dedicated to it would know a lot more than you

    If it said we were the most corrupt country in Europe it would be held up as gospel. Again, its only right if it gives the verdict people want.

    Suppose they could pander to the masses and ignore facts, but sure that would be corrupt..............


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    #312
    jonnny68
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,670 ✭✭✭jonnny68


    Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »
    They look a pretty objective, reputable source. Seems to me like you're just choosing to say it's not true to suit your hysterical view on Ireland

    Hysterical view really I could spend half the night here documenting scandal, corruption, etc etc etc not a '' hysterical view '' of whatever stupid words you want to use.

    Are you a voter of FF/FG or Labour by any chance :-\


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    #313
    NewApproach
    Registered Users Posts: 2,186 ✭✭✭NewApproach


    A pleasing verdict.


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    #314
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,523 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    jonnny68 wrote: »
    Hysterical view really I could spend half the night here documenting scandal, corruption, etc etc etc not a '' hysterical view '' of whatever stupid words you want to use.

    If you could document for us just the evidence that the jury didn't receive or didn't consider it would be great.


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    #315
    Jester252
    Registered Users Posts: 5,533 ✭✭✭Jester252


    Just remember he was declared not guilty by a jury full of random people, but it's good to see people here have declared him guilty without access to the evidence and are stuck in their resolve to force their verdict upon others


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    #316
    Ugo Monye spacecraft experience
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,221 ✭✭✭Ugo Monye spacecraft experience


    RollieFingers wrote: »
    You said it wasn't true when I said people walked out of a restaurant he chose to dine in!

    You think that view is "hysterical"? Questioning the views of some random anonymous poster on the internet isn't the same as questioning the objectivity of a study into worldwide corruption

    For the record I still think it's horse**** that "the whole restaurant left" when Fitzpatrick walked in but i can never prove it nor can you prove it


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    #317
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users Posts: 23,574 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Am I the only one who thinks a large part of the population wants to think there was this illuminati style conspiracy and criminality against them by a wealthy and devious few just so they can distract from the responsibility the entire country should take as a whole for the mess we are in?


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    #318
    Ugo Monye spacecraft experience
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,221 ✭✭✭Ugo Monye spacecraft experience


    jonnny68 wrote: »
    Hysterical view really I could spend half the night here documenting scandal, corruption, etc etc etc not a '' hysterical view '' of whatever stupid words you want to use.

    Are you a voter of FF/FG or Labour by any chance :-\

    "Hysterical" is a stupid word? :(


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    #319
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 53,560 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    scamtown wrote: »
    two choices
    1 a peoples army is formed to overthrow the government Ukraine style
    2 we go back to the barstool and say ' sure it will be grand':rolleyes:

    Yea, Ukraine is definitely a place we should model ourselves on. All going great over there right now. :rolleyes:


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    #320
    Jester252
    Registered Users Posts: 5,533 ✭✭✭Jester252


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Am I the only one who thinks a large part of the population wants to think there was this illuminati style conspiracy and criminality against them by a wealthy and devious few just so they can distract from the responsibility the entire country should take as a whole for the mess we are in?

    No you not, if you believe some posters here people where forced at gun point to double mortgage their home for a new car and holiday/rental home.


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    #321
    Wacker The Attacker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,473 ✭✭✭Wacker The Attacker


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Am I the only one who thinks a large part of the population wants to think there was this illuminati style conspiracy and criminality against them by a wealthy and devious few just so they can distract from the responsibility the entire country should take as a whole for the mess we are in?

    Possibly. The reasons for that could be anything


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    #322
    Muise...
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Muise...


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Am I the only one who thinks a large part of the population wants to think there was this illuminati style conspiracy and criminality against them by a wealthy and devious few just so they can distract from the responsibility the entire country should take as a whole for the mess we are in?

    No. I think that too. It's been nothing but finger-pointing blame for four years. An Olympiad of blame. We need a Mammy with a wooden spoon, who will say "I don't care who started it, you're cleaning up that mess or you're not getting any tea!"


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    #323
    Ugo Monye spacecraft experience
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,221 ✭✭✭Ugo Monye spacecraft experience


    Jester252 wrote: »
    No you not, if you believe some posters here people where forced at gun point to double mortgage their home for a new car and holiday/rental home.

    Or that Sean Fitzpatrick singlehandedly caused the downturn in the Irish economy


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    #324
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »
    Or that Sean Fitzpatrick singlehandedly caused the downturn in the Irish economy

    He didn't, but it could be arged that Anglo single handedly forced us into the bailout.


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    #325
    Stavros Murphy
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    Wacker The Attacker wrote: »
    Possibly. The reasons for that could be anything

    Too much of Miss Piggys chops to the head?


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    #326
    jonnny68
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,670 ✭✭✭jonnny68


    Diego Simeone wrote: »
    If you could document for us just the evidence that the jury didn't receive or didn't consider it would be great.

    You are obviously firmly in the Seanie camp, a lackey, hanger on, wannabe or just plain deluded and gullible, you actually seriously believe this man is completely and utterly innocent because he was found not guilty in court I suppose you'd be one of these types who thinks the Garda are squeaky clean and Jobridge has created thousands of jobs for interns and the country is positively thriving.


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    #327
    RollieFingers
    Registered Users Posts: 2,635 ✭✭✭RollieFingers


    Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »
    You think that view is "hysterical"? Questioning the views of some random anonymous poster on the internet isn't the same as questioning the objectivity of a study into worldwide corruption

    For the record I still think it's horse**** that "the whole restaurant left" when Fitzpatrick walked in but i can never prove it nor can you prove it

    If you can't prove it why did you say "it's def not true"? Not sure how any rational minded person could come to such a definitive conclusion without proof!

    Anyways take a chill pill Big Ugo, no need to curse, your boy Seanie is free sure!


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    #328
    Jumboman
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,294 ✭✭✭Jumboman


    Jester252 wrote: »
    Just remember he was declared not guilty by a jury full of random people, but it's good to see people here have declared him guilty without access to the evidence and are stuck in their resolve to force their verdict upon others

    Its not random people. The defence team gets to pick who they want on the jury. They must of picked alot upper middle class D4 type people because if the people on jury had of been from finglas/tallaght or just about anywhere else in the country he would not have walked free.


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    #329
    Jester252
    Registered Users Posts: 5,533 ✭✭✭Jester252


    Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »
    Or that Sean Fitzpatrick singlehandedly caused the downturn in the Irish economy

    Well did did spend all the money on a faulty weather machine that has been given us back winter for the last couple of years.


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    #330
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,523 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    jonnny68 wrote: »
    You are obviously firmly in the Seanie camp, a lackey, hanger on, wannabe or just plain deluded and gullible, you actually seriously believe this man is completely and utterly innocent because he was found not guilty in court I suppose you'd be one of these types who thinks the Garda are squeaky clean and Jobridge has created thousands of jobs for interns and the country is positively thriving.

    Nope, all incorrect assumptions.

    The only thing I'm looking for is some evidence of criminality. That'd be great thanks.


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    #331
    Ugo Monye spacecraft experience
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,221 ✭✭✭Ugo Monye spacecraft experience


    RollieFingers wrote: »
    If you can't prove it why did you say "it's def not true"? Not sure how any rational minded person could come to such a definitive conclusion without proof!

    Anyways take a chill pill Big Ugo, no need to curse, your boy Seanie is free sure!

    How utterly childish


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