Manchester United Superthread 2014 Mod warning Post #1880 #2613

redbaron_99 · 08-04-2014 12:36PM

Nuts102 wrote: »

If Moyes is given a warchest then simply getting top four is not enough winning the league is the aim. I think we need two cm signings if we could sign midfielders who can create from deep allowing Kagawa and Mata to operate higher up the pitch we will be in great shape.

A centre half and a left full too.

Backstreet Moyes · 08-04-2014 12:36PM

zerks wrote: »

There was a good interview with Miguel Delaney on Newstalk last night,he spoke of the time he did a piece with Martinez about Everton.He revolutionised the set up at Wigan despite having to be an economic genius as well as a manager.Now at Everton he's brought the same principles,players train in the evening for pre-season,this ensured that they got plenty of rest rather than spending an afternoon once training was over playing golf or whatever.
A point was made that Moyes did have Everton playing some decent stuff but due to the small squad,they ended up knackered by this time of the season,we'll have to take it as a given that Moyes won't be sacked in the Summer,judgement will have to be reserved until Xmas I reckon.
The team needs a major overhaul as we all know and new players might just buy into what Moyes wants them to do unlike a few already here who seem to be coasting through the season.Look at how Everton dismantled Arsenal by doubling up on the wings using Baines & Coleman,that was a tactic Moyes used a lot,problem with us atm is that our wingers (Val & Young) are rubbish and we have one full back who tries to get carded every game & another who's already thinking of the beaches in France.

The one major thing Moyes needs to do is to forget that he's been at Everton and get that mindset gone of overachieving with the team,what counts as overachieving at Everton is the bare minimum expected at United.

Am i missing something here Everton always started slowly and finished the season very strong unless i am imagining things.

Mitch Connor · 08-04-2014 12:39PM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

Moyes has built his career on getting the best out of a group of players.
He builds his teams to be solid, not as attacking as SAF, but certainly not fearful.
If he can pick a consistent back four for a few months, and has at least one decent CM, you will see a dramatic turnaround.

He hasn't the luxury of either this season.

Look at any comment from any player under moyes.

He goes into great tactical detail on how to stop opponents (not worked great this season!! (Apart from the Bayern game - tactically spot on imo))

He does lots and lots of work to get his team fit and strong.

Focuses on the team from a defensive standpoint - a defenders perspective. Lots of running, relatively little ball work and doesn't as much work with the ball with regards to attacking.

That is all documented from players like Weir and Rooney previously, and Everton players saying it this season - they had a fearful 'how do we stop them' approach in all the big games under Moyes.

They are the reasons I think Moyes is wrong for United - his approach simply isn't right for a top club. In some games I fully accept it is neccessary to make more concessions to your opponent than you would ideally like - but it is Moyes' default approach; that doesn't fit imo.

If Moyes is staying, and it looks that way, I think he needs to get rid of Lumsden and Round, and bring in new coaches with more attacking perspective and more progressive training plans - Moyes needs to adapt to the requirements of the job, and bringing in people capable of helping him do that and challenge him is central to that, imo.

Also the rumour that Giggs stormed off the training ground recently after the United forwards were put through two hours of defensive drills.

redbaron_99 · 08-04-2014 12:40PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

If we wanted a manager who wasn't able to get the players to do things his way then I was available for half the price.

Ok, genius, how would you stop Evra from falling asleep at the end of games? he alone has cost us about 9 points this season.

Vic Vinegar · 08-04-2014 12:43PM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

Ok, genius, how would you stop Evra from falling asleep at the end of games? he alone has cost us about 9 points this season.

A taser should work.

Mitch Connor · 08-04-2014 12:43PM

Nuts102 wrote: »

If Moyes is given a warchest then simply getting top four is not enough winning the league is the aim. I think we need two cm signings if we could sign midfielders who can create from deep allowing Kagawa and Mata to operate higher up the pitch we will be in great shape.

If a warchest was given - I would give him next season to prove he can mount a challenge for the title - it wouldn't be a requirement to win it.

We could be looking at a very new defence and mifield to gel together, could be teething problems.

As per my most recent post - what I really need to see next season is a different, more aggressive and confident approach from Moyes and from United.

Mitch Connor · 08-04-2014 12:44PM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

Ok, genius, how would you stop Evra from falling asleep at the end of games? he alone has cost us about 9 points this season.

Appears you have completely misunderstood the post. scarlet for you bro, scarlet.

Timmyctc · 08-04-2014 12:44PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

He goes into great tactical detail on how to stop opponents (not worked great this season!! (Apart from the Bayern game - tactically spot on imo))

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That is all documented from players like Weir and Rooney previously, and Everton players saying it this season - they had a fearful 'how do we stop them' approach in all the big games under Moyes.

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Also the rumour that Giggs stormed off the training ground recently after the United forwards were put through two hours of defensive drills.

Surely point 1 & 2 here contradict one another?

Also the Giggs rumor was part of a series of rumors that also included

'"Michael Carrick goes home at night dejected because he is made to watch hours of videos of Leon Osman" His wife has told friends'

BS of the highest order imo.

redbaron_99 · 08-04-2014 12:46PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Appears you have completely misunderstood the post. scarlet for you bro, scarlet.

That wasn't a reply to your post. Very scarlet for you bro. :cool:

Backstreet Moyes · 08-04-2014 12:46PM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

Ok, genius, how would you stop Evra from falling asleep at the end of games? he alone has cost us about 9 points this season.

He gave an interview around Christmas saying the players need to work harder. Then he comes out the next day and does his usual walking back after losing the ball from that point on i would have thrown him in the reserves. Can anybody tell me what happened to Blackett he looked good on the pre season tour a few years ago but i heard nothing since.

bucketybuck · 08-04-2014 12:46PM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

Ok, genius, how would you stop Evra from falling asleep at the end of games? he alone has cost us about 9 points this season.

I said "half the price", not for free.

Brussels Sprout · 08-04-2014 12:51PM

For anyone with any interest in FC United of Manchester they have an absolutely massive game tonight against Chorley. It's looking very likely that the winner of this tie will win the league and the only automatic promotion place into the Conference North while the losers will most likely end up in the play-offs (FCUM have lost the play-off final in each of the past 3 seasons).

FCUM go into the game in great form having won 9 games in a row in the league but Chorley are also on fire having beaten bottom of the table Droylsden 13-1 in their last match.

League Table

Backstreet Moyes · 08-04-2014 12:52PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

If a warchest was given - I would give him next season to prove he can mount a challenge for the title - it wouldn't be a requirement to win it.

We could be looking at a very new defence and mifield to gel together, could be teething problems.

As per my most recent post - what I really need to see next season is a different, more aggressive and confident approach from Moyes and from United.

I agree with what you said earlier he needs a new backroom set up more than anything. He needs an assistant who can help tactically. Somebody who can set us up to get the best out of Mata, Nani, Kagawa, Janjuaz, Rooney, RVP and Wellbeck. That is actually an insane amount of attacking talent that if used properly should have us playing lovely football.

Mitch Connor · 08-04-2014 12:53PM

Timmyctc wrote: »

Surely point 1 & 2 here contradict one another?

Also the Giggs rumor was part of a series of rumors that also included

BS of the highest order imo.

The Carrick one was complete BS, a joke on twitter. At least it was never reported or said anywhere that I would give credence too. I think it was a joke created off the back of Rio being shown a video of Phil Jagielka defending a while back.

I completely fail to see how 'points 1 and 2' contracdict each other.

I stated his coaching and managerial style is defensive from a defenders perspective - this is what has been said of him.

I then stated it hasn't worked so far at United - which it generally has not. Having a coaching style and it not working are not contradictory.

I also said he got the Bayern game spot on - again, this doesn't contradict what I said. He has a defensive approach, and it worked well vs Bayern - no contradiction - we have been horribly exposed by City, Chelsea and Liverpool this season, that hardly shows his defensive planning worked - and still isn't a contradiction to what I said.

redbaron_99 · 08-04-2014 12:53PM

Nuts102 wrote: »

I agree with what you said earlier he needs a new backroom set up more than anything. He needs an assistant who can help tactically. Somebody who can set us up to get the best out of Mata, Nani, Kagawa, Janjuaz, Rooney, RVP and Wellbeck. That is actually an insane amount of attacking talent that if used properly should have us playing lovely football.

Scholes...?

Mitch Connor · 08-04-2014 12:54PM

redbaron_99 wrote: »

That wasn't a reply to your post. Very scarlet for you bro. :cool:

I know bro - read the post you replied to - the person isn't saying they could do a better job than Moyes (as your reply to them indicates you think) - they are saying if United wanted a manager that couldn't get the team playing properly he was available for less than Moyes.

again, scarlet for ya!

08-04-2014 01:06PM

lordgoat wrote: »

Well at least you figured out what bold is. (for the record that wasn't in the post I quoted, you know the post about you putting your opinion about Moyes in CAPS LOCK for the world to see - maybe you should edit it to include the parts you forgot - just a suggestion)

So your reason for wanting Moues is you think he was an excellent manager for Everton and that for you is enough to make the step up? Fair enough.

Some people set the bar a lot lower it seems.

Nice of you to ignore the other question in my post though but hey, maybe SAF told you to not answer it too.

:rolleyes:

Very childish

You seem to be skipping posts also;

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Don't be so patronizing.

We all know Fergie made mistakes too but the good always outweighed the bad and that's why we have been so successful.
I'm hoping this one is a good choice as with my own opinions that Moyes has been an excellent manager for Everton.

redbaron_99 · 08-04-2014 01:06PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I know bro - read the post you replied to - the person isn't saying they could do a better job than Moyes (as your reply to them indicates you think) - they are saying if United wanted a manager that couldn't get the team playing properly he was available for less than Moyes.

again, scarlet for ya!

its down to the player who is earning tens of thousands of pounds every week not to fall asleep. no manager would get evra to stay awake.
That was my point.

still scarlet for ya, bro, for making that mistake. ouch.

Mitch Connor · 08-04-2014 01:08PM

burn :pac:

redbaron_99 wrote: »

its down to the player who is earning tens of thousands of pounds every week not to fall asleep. no manager would get evra to stay awake.
That was my point.

still scarlet for ya, bro, for making that mistake. ouch.

He could have played buttner more, or fabio at all. Or if none of the 3 options were good enough - he could have done something about it in either window he had so far.

2moreMinutes · 08-04-2014 01:09PM

Ho's before bro's, bro.

TheDoc · 08-04-2014 01:09PM

Seems some pages of juice to catch up on here....

On the transfer front...Nani's agent giving the talk how he will most likely leave the club in the summer with the likely destination being Italy.

Papertalk that Kroos has signalled to team mates he wants to move to Manchester United to be an important first team player. I love that ****....like an English journalist has somehow got the scoop on what was said between team mates.

I long for the day rags are pulled up on this and blatant lieing will be done away with.

redbaron_99 · 08-04-2014 01:11PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

burn :pac:

He could have played buttner more, or fabio at all. Or if none of the 3 options were good enough - he could have done something about it in either window he had so far.

He's waiting for Shaw in the summer. We could play this game all day, bro

08-04-2014 01:11PM

TheDoc wrote: »

Seems some pages of juice to catch up on here....

On the transfer front...Nani's agent giving the talk how he will most likely leave the club in the summer with the likely destination being Italy.

Papertalk that Kroos has signalled to team mates he wants to move to Manchester United to be an important first team player. I love that ****....like an English journalist has somehow got the scoop on what was said between team mates.

I long for the day rags are pulled up on this and blatant lieing will be done away with.

Welcome back to the Jungle

bangkok · 08-04-2014 01:12PM

just to put it like this..... moyes round Neville and giggs will all sit down today and decide what is the best options for all over the pitch... United MUST score in Bayern or they go out. Robben doesn't track back so it will be decided that evra is the best option for the night. A full international as well with loads of experience and still a few big games left in him. there is a reason Buttner doesn't have a single cap for Holland, he is simple not good enough. United were ultra defensive as well against Bayern in the first leg so he was never exposed once in the game like evra is when Januzaj young or kagawa play ahead of him and don't track back..

Timmyctc · 08-04-2014 01:13PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

The Carrick one was complete BS, a joke on twitter. At least it was never reported or said anywhere that I would give credence too. I think it was a joke created off the back of Rio being shown a video of Phil Jagielka defending a while back.

I completely fail to see how 'points 1 and 2' contracdict each other.

I stated his coaching and managerial style is defensive from a defenders perspective - this is what has been said of him.

I then stated it hasn't worked so far at United - which it generally has not. Having a coaching style and it not working are not contradictory.

I also said he got the Bayern game spot on - again, this doesn't contradict what I said. He has a defensive approach, and it worked well vs Bayern - no contradiction - we have been horribly exposed by City, Chelsea and Liverpool this season, that hardly shows his defensive planning worked - and still isn't a contradiction to what I said.

Unless I'm misreading this, you said he goes into loads of tactical detail in how to stop his opponents. Then you said basically in the same breath that he leaves his players not knowing how to stop the opponent. Surely the aforementioned "tactical detail to stop opponents" would cover that.

user2011 · 08-04-2014 01:13PM

:eek::eek::eek:

Our chances just grew a bit more?

Yeah bs like magicmaker said

But it was on soccerway when I went looking for the ref of the match gone now.

Mitch Connor · 08-04-2014 01:15PM

TheDoc wrote: »

Seems some pages of juice to catch up on here....

On the transfer front...Nani's agent giving the talk how he will most likely leave the club in the summer with the likely destination being Italy.

Papertalk that Kroos has signalled to team mates he wants to move to Manchester United to be an important first team player. I love that ****....like an English journalist has somehow got the scoop on what was said between team mates.

I long for the day rags are pulled up on this and blatant lieing will be done away with.

Well connected Arsenal reporter, with possible links to Ozil, Podolski and Mertersacker - chance he does have some inside on what Ozil has told team mates.

Mitch Connor · 08-04-2014 01:17PM

Timmyctc wrote: »

Unless I'm misreading this, you said he goes into loads of tactical detail in how to stop his opponents. Then you said basically in the same breath that he leaves his players not knowing how to stop the opponent. Surely the aforementioned "tactical detail to stop opponents" would cover that.

Either I wasn't clear, or you misunderstood.

When I said they had a fearful 'how do we stop them' approach it wasn't a question the players were asking themselves as they went on to the pitch - it was about the general approach to how Moyes set up his team and tactically drilled them - fearful of the opponent and concentrating on stopping them rather than hurting them.

Timmyctc · 08-04-2014 01:19PM

user2011 wrote: »

:eek::eek::eek:

Our chances just grew a bit more?

Howard Webb can't ref an English team I thought? If by some monumental cock-up they did put him as ref I'd say he'd be harder on us to prove a point as has been evidenced in recent history.

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Either I wasn't clear, or you misunderstood.

When I said they had a fearful 'how do we stop them' approach it wasn't a question the players were asking themselves as they went on to the pitch - it was about the general approach to how Moyes set up his team and tactically drilled them - fearful of the opponent and concentrating on stopping them rather than hurting them.

Soz Misinterpreted point ...... bro (Is that the new thing?)

FutureGuy · 08-04-2014 01:23PM

The 7 Habits of Highly-Happy Manchester United Fans
by F. Guy

1) Patience is a virtue. We are in transition with a new manager who is learning his roll. Be kind, and kindness will smile upon you.

2) Atteptance is key. David Moyes will be given at least another full season. Do not dwell on this fact, and instead see it as a constant. Happiness will follow.

3) Keep a positive frame of mind. There are many good points this year, but sometimes it is easier to focus on the negatives. Negativity leads to sadness.

4) Finances are key to success. We are a healthy club, with a sound financial structure.

5) Commit to your dreams. 360 minutes separate us from European glory. A commited fan gets behind his/her team. Wishing poor results on your team reflects negatively upon youself in the eyes of others.

6) Respect your peers. We all are individuals, and we all have opinions. Respect for one another is key.

7) Juan Mata. He is the sexiest man in the world and his presence ties everything together. If you follow these steps, then Juan may look on you as a good human being.

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