Manchester United Superthread 2014 Mod warning Post #1880 #2613

kippy · 08-04-2014 05:24AM

xtal191 wrote: »

So lets say Moyes does miraculously sign all these players, spending the guts of 200m in the summer.

Would people seriously be happy with just finishing top 4 without challenging for the title after spending that much?

Again I suppose patience is required.
First of all 200 million is a figure pulled from someones ass. The reality is it probably wont be close to that. Second of all lots of clubs spens lots of money and have to wait a while to see the results.
Having to wait two seasons to challange for major trophies after major changes at the club isnt the worst thing ever.

NeVeR · 08-04-2014 07:08AM

MagicIRL wrote: »

1. If you're in the City Centre you can just use the Tram/Metro (Manchester Luas, basically) to drop you off at Old Trafford. I think it leaves you right at the end of Sir Matt Busby Way, and is about a kilometer walk to Old Trafford. Be warned though, it's absolutely jammed after the game. The benefit of this is that you'll be walking up along with all the other fans and the atmosphere can be great.

2. Taxi wise I would depend on the traffic. OT is pretty close to the city centre in my opinion. I would say 15-20mins tops would get you to it. If you leave 90mins before kick off you'll get there no bother. You could always swan in to the United museum in you go early. There's also an incredible war museum, the IMI Imperial War Museum, across the river next to Old Trafford. Highly recommend checking it out!

3. When I was last at OT, back in Feb, I got a taxi to OT and he drove right in to the carpark and dropped me off. I'm not sure about closing streets off. The whole area around the stadium is pretty nice, right up to Media City if you want to go for a walk before the game, too.

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Yep, No issues with Taxi's as Magic has already said, just ensure you book in time with the hotel @ the lobby, (I done it the night before for about 2 hours before kick off, we went to the pub down the road from the stadium post match).

Thanks for the replies.

Lord TSC · 08-04-2014 07:23AM

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

Also to be considered if there is a lot of players bought it will take time for them to gel.

Will be a prominent excuse next season I feel...

IamtheWalrus · 08-04-2014 07:29AM

It's an exciting time to be a Manchester United fan.

kippy · 08-04-2014 08:10AM

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Will be a prominent excuse next season I feel...

Great positivity there........

They might need time to gel, they might not.
Time will pass, within a couple of years United will be challenging again, leagues will be won by United and other clubs and the whole thing starts again next season.
Yeah, fans will have to take a bit of stick because of who they support, but thats part of it.

RobertKK · 08-04-2014 08:19AM

Yeah just read (as above) on twitter via Eurosport where Kroos is said to have told his team mates he is United bound.

Hope it is true. Moyes will have a tough decision if true when it comes to the midfield, should he play Kroos or Cleverley :P

Imagine if we had a midfielder who nearly always passes forward, is accurate and can score goals....

Ernest Oreo · 08-04-2014 08:32AM

Thecon21 wrote: »

Right to start, I am also not a fan of Moyes based on how the season has gone and am more in the Moyes out side of things but..

I am not certain he will never guide United to success, neither are you, no one is.

Also regarding every pound he spends is a waste, I'm delighted with the purchase of Juan Mata, any world class player is welcome at the club and I'm sure he'll turn out brilliantly, while I'm not happy with the league performance regarding Moyes, the players he and United are linked with are exciting. If United signed Shaw, Reus and Carvalho for example, would you call it a waste?

If United win all their remaining games and give Bayern a good go on Wednesday, would that give you something to start believing?

It would give me something to believe in anyway, I want Moyes and United to succeed, of course I am not happy with how things have gone but if I do see progression, then I've no problem in getting behind Moyes and the team and I do hope for progression, we all do.

You now almost seem like you have a personal disliking to Moyes, too stubborn that if United were to win the Champions League that you would still want Moyes out..

granted i cant be certain that Moyes will be a failure but there are little or no signs to suggest otherwise as far as I'm concerned
he has been a shambles this year, and stumbling to a CL QF should not distract from this. no system, panic buys, disillusionment amongst senior players, alienating players, no tactical nous to enable an impact on 'big' games mid stream, etc etc

if he does sign Shaw, Reus and Carvalho that'll be great - but i feel we have little or no change of getting these type of guys. maybe carvalho, but the likes of Kroos / Reus / Shaw - thats just a pipedream..
why on earth would players like that gamble 2/3 seasons at United right now?

If United beat Bayern on wednesday it would be a huge step, that goes without saying. but i think a re-focussed Bayern side will sweep us aside with relative ease. as for winning every last game of the premiership? a less impressive feat, but a sign of progress i suppose.

kryogen · 08-04-2014 08:34AM

s.welstead wrote: »

I think you misunderstood me. I haven't dismissed his previous work. My comment was that it seems like all the Everton fans, players and now chairman have all come out and seemingly dismissed him. They've beamed with praise for their new manager and the whole club seems to have been lifted to a new level. That's worrying to me as maybe that was his level and maybe he's not up to bringing a team beyond solid and steady.

On the contrary, I think you misunderstood me good sir

As an aside, I cannot think of one Everton player, and certainly not the chairman, who have come out and dismissed him

Fans are fans, some are idiots, the reception he got at his last home game, and the appreciation still shown to him by others shows you a split, certainly not all fans as you put it anyway

MagicIRL · 08-04-2014 08:37AM

Can anyone send me a Wiki link to Carvalho?

Could this be the team next season? I'm not sure if Kroos will sign, but... Mata. Reus is another that I've heard linked to us in rumours and who would work well. Alternatively, Welbeck can play off the wing if he learns to freaking score!

De Gea
Rafael - Jones - Evans - New LB
Carvalho - Kroos
Reus - Mata - Kagawa
Rooney

Lord TSC · 08-04-2014 08:40AM

kippy wrote: »

Great positivity there........

Hey, I'm not claiming to be Mr. Positivity. Far from it.

But as I said yesterday, we're now at a stage where a lot of people are putting Xmas as their minimum time frame, and when that comes and if he's still struggling, there'll be excuses then too. "Team needs time to gel", "18 months isn't enough time", "Sure who's available to replace him?"

For me, true positivity will be restored the day Moyes goes and the club admit there was a mistake made. Because that will be the day I feel that we can actually get on and stop making excuse after excuse.

Ernest Oreo · 08-04-2014 08:42AM

MagicIRL wrote: »

Can anyone send me a Wiki link to Carvalho?

Could this be the team next season? I'm not sure if Kroos will sign, but... Mata. Reus is another that I've heard linked to us in rumours and who would work well. Alternatively, Welbeck can play off the wing if he learns to freaking score!
De Gea
Rafael - Jones - Evans - New LB
Carvalho - Kroos
Reus - Mata - Kagawa
Rooney

do you honestly believe that jones and evans is a CD partnership that'll form the basis for a premiership and CL winning squad?

MagicIRL · 08-04-2014 08:46AM

Ernest Oreo wrote: »

do you honestly believe that jones and evans is a CD partnership that'll form the basis for a premiership and CL winning squad?

Jones yes, Evans no. I do think that sort the midfield and LB should be the priority though.

redbaron_99 · 08-04-2014 08:47AM

Ernest Oreo wrote: »

do you honestly believe that jones and evans is a CD partnership that'll form the basis for a premiership and CL winning squad?

Evans spends half the season injured so definitely not.
What's the opinion on Benatia?

kippy · 08-04-2014 09:01AM

MagicIRL wrote: »

Can anyone send me a Wiki link to Carvalho?

Wiki Carvalho

Your Airbag · 08-04-2014 09:10AM

Wayne Rooney is winning his fight to overcome a toe injury and Bayern Munich

Ogden

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/10751012/Bayern-Munich-v-Manchester-United-Wayne-Rooneys-fitness-has-the-European-champions-worried.html

According to this we are the only team interested in Gundogan now but Madrid will try to sign Kroos.

http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2014/04/07/manchester-united-get-gundogan-all-clear-but-kroos/?

Pro. F · 08-04-2014 09:11AM

kippy wrote: »

Great positivity there........

They might need time to gel, they might not.
Time will pass, within a couple of years United will be challenging again, leagues will be won by United and other clubs and the whole thing starts again next season.
Yeah, fans will have to take a bit of stick because of who they support, but thats part of it.

You seem to think that having a positive attitude is important in this discussion about the manager. It isn't. Understanding whether Moyes is the man for the job doesn't benefit from positive thinking any more than it benefits from negative thinking. What is important is judging the job Moyes is doing objectively.

bucketybuck · 08-04-2014 09:14AM

kippy wrote: »

Great positivity there........

They might need time to gel, they might not.
Time will pass, within a couple of years United will be challenging again,

Famous last words in my opinion.

One year ago I would have been utterly shocked at the idea United would ever be so poor that they couldn't finish top four, yet here we are.

It is by no means certain that United will challenge for the title again, we have no guarantee of that and any club can go into a spiral of decline, even us. I am sure words similar to yours were spoken by many Liverpool and Leeds fans soon after their last title wins, decades ago now!

There will be consequences to mistakes made now, and nobody should be blase about thinking that there won't be.

kippy · 08-04-2014 09:15AM

Pro. F wrote: »

You seem to think that having a positive attitude is important in this discussion about the manager. It isn't. Understanding whether Moyes is the man for the job doesn't benefit from positive thinking any more than it benefits from negative thinking. What is important is judging the job Moyes is doing objectively.

I just stated a fact. Doesn't necessarily reflect how I think but if you chose to infer that fair enough.

Fans in general aren't in a position to judge anything objectively. That much should be obvious.

kippy · 08-04-2014 09:16AM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Famous last words in my opinion.

One year ago I would have been utterly shocked at the idea United would ever be so poor that they couldn't finish top four, yet here we are.

It is by no means certain that United will challenge for the title again, we have no guarantee of that and any club can go into a spiral of decline, even us. I am sure words similar to yours were spoken by many Liverpool and Leeds fans soon after their last title wins, decades ago now!

There will be consequences to mistakes made now, and nobody should be blase about thinking that there won't be.

I'm not saying United will challenge in the next year or two, they might, they might now, but they will at some point in the future.

As I said earlier, this is a cyclical game. It might take years to win anything again.
Thats the long term nature of being a supporter of a club.

Blatter · 08-04-2014 09:23AM

kippy wrote: »

I'm not saying United will challenge in the next year or two, they might, they might now, but they will at some point in the future.

As I said earlier, this is a cyclical game. It might take years to win anything again.
Thats the long term nature of being a supporter of a club.

It's a cyclical game because usually, at some point or other, big clubs make poor top level decisions which cause significant drop offs.

And here we are....

Now to admit the mistake and fix it, ie. sack Moyes.

Ernest Oreo · 08-04-2014 09:24AM

kippy wrote: »

I'm not saying United will challenge in the next year or two, they might, they might now, but they will at some point in the future.

Quote / post of the day surely...

bucketybuck · 08-04-2014 09:26AM

kippy wrote: »

I'm not saying United will challenge in the next year or two, they might, they might now, but they will at some point in the future.

As I said earlier, this is a cyclical game. It might take years to win anything again.
Thats the long term nature of being a supporter of a club.

It will take a lot less years if we don't make huge mistakes now.

Thats why I don't like the use of the term "cyclical", it takes away responsibility. Long term patterns may show that success and failure come in cycles, but that doesn't mean that a club cannot ensure continued success here and now by making the right decisions and recognising when mistakes are being made.

Mitch Connor · 08-04-2014 09:30AM

Football is cyclical.... it is in its boll1x.

A cliche used by people to excuse failure.

lordgoat · 08-04-2014 09:31AM

Player of the year vote is up on the site.

Went with Dave and Reece James for Reserve Player of the year.

Ernest Oreo · 08-04-2014 09:34AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Football is cyclical.... it is in its boll1x.

A cliche used by people to excuse failure.

exactly
what happened this cycle for the last 20 years??

Mitch Connor · 08-04-2014 09:35AM

lordgoat wrote: »

Player of the year vote is up on the site.

Went with Dave and Reece James for Reserve Player of the year.

Same - felt the choices for reserve team player were very weak this year.

Wouldnt think any of them are capable of making the step up to 1st team in any respect next season, and would be surprised if they ever do (though Janko has the tools)

Tom Thorpe would be the most complete player and best performer at that level for us, for my money. Maybe the loan excludes him though.

Seeing as Wilson is not in the list, I would assume he is a shoe-in for the youth player of the year. Pearson and Rothwell have had great seasons too though.

Mitch Connor · 08-04-2014 09:43AM

neither Fellaini nor Rafael trained this morning - poor timing for more injuries.

De Gea
Smalling-Ferdinand-Vidic-Evra

Jones--Carrick
Valencia----Kagawa--Welbeck

Rooney

kippy · 08-04-2014 09:44AM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Football is cyclical.... it is in its boll1x.

A cliche used by people to excuse failure.

It is.
Anyone with any ounce of intelligence realises that.

Rayne Wooney · 08-04-2014 09:44AM

@FCBayernEN: #Guardiola on his squad selection for #FCBMUFC: "We only have 14 first-team players so I haven't got too many options.

Making excuses already, wouldn't see Moyes doing that :pac:

kippy · 08-04-2014 09:45AM

Blatter wrote: »

It's a cyclical game because usually, at some point or other, big clubs make poor top level decisions which cause significant drop offs.

And here we are....

Now to admit the mistake and fix it, ie. sack Moyes.

Or big clubs make knee jerk decisions based on short term performance.

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