Manchester United Superthread 2014 Mod warning Post #1880 #2613

Mikeyt086 · 07-04-2014 03:26PM

Mata-love update:
Juan Mata visits the Old Trafford museum. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1mhwwl_juan-mata-visits-old-trafford-museum_sport

OMG he's so perfect he defo visits musems all the time he's so cultured look how interested he is in our history I wish he was my best friend.

bucketybuck · 07-04-2014 03:26PM

kippy wrote: »

That's sport and the shorttermist/kneejerkist way of supporting a club, isn't it?
At the top level there isn't that much to differ between massive success and massive failure (relatively speaking)

(This United team wont win the CL by the way)

Its all very silly really. Last week we were going to get hammered 8-0, this week we are going to beat Bayern Munich. As usual reality is somewhere in the middle.

My prediction hasn't changed a jot. United will play defensive because thats the only option that gives them a chance, but Bayerns quality will probably see them through the tie comfortably enough.

kippy · 07-04-2014 03:26PM

keane2097 wrote: »

The "name one good thing he's done all season" brigade have been a real highpoint this season.

- Bought a central midfielder
doesn't matter he's ****

- bought Mata
doesn't matter not a central midfielder

- tied Rooney down
doesn't matter too much money

- brought through Januzaj
doesn't matter, how could he not have brought through such a talented youngster sure we gave Pogba his chance

- crushed Champions League group
doesn't matter, **** group

- pulled off exceptionally rare comeback in ECL second round
doesn't matter, Olympiakos are ****

- drew 1-1 with Bayern Munich in ECL first leg
doesn't matter, Bayern weren't interested, get hockeyed in second leg, should be beating Bayern anyway

- best away record in the EPL
doesn't matter, (can't actually think of a reason why this doesn't matter but presumably there is one)

and on, and on.

Couldn't help but laugh when United scored to go ahead against Bayern, just turned to the lads I was watching it with and said "sure it doesn't matter a ****, he'll get literally no credit for it from half the people watching anyway". Lo and behold...

I suppose the reality is that Moyes wasn't like by any number of people from the off. Despite them saying they'd give him a chance etc, at the end of the day they didn't want him there in the first place.
Thats what happens. Happened with Liverpool as well in the early days with Rodgers. I suppose the only real way for the manager to turn this around is to improve things and Moyes was pretty much on a hiding to nothing in many people eyes here as the team had just won the league. What is happening is a backwards step but it might be required for any number of reasons.

Ultimately he'll have to finish this season strong and start next season stronger after a successful summer transfer wise to at least start to turn the opinions of those that are not so confident in him.

keeponhurling · 07-04-2014 03:26PM

keane2097 wrote: »

- best away record in the EPL
doesn't matter, (can't actually think of a reason why this doesn't matter but presumably there is one)

.

Eh, maybe this one doesn't matter because an away-only table is only a notional measure that means nothing.

They are 7th in the real table.

bucketybuck · 07-04-2014 03:28PM

keane2097 wrote: »

The "name one good thing he's done all season" brigade have been a real highpoint this season.

- Bought a central midfielder
doesn't matter he's ****

- bought Mata
doesn't matter not a central midfielder

- tied Rooney down
doesn't matter too much money

- brought through Januzaj
doesn't matter, how could he not have brought through such a talented youngster sure we gave Pogba his chance

- crushed Champions League group
doesn't matter, **** group

- pulled off exceptionally rare comeback in ECL second round
doesn't matter, Olympiakos are ****

- drew 1-1 with Bayern Munich in ECL first leg
doesn't matter, Bayern weren't interested, get hockeyed in second leg, should be beating Bayern anyway

- best away record in the EPL
doesn't matter, (can't actually think of a reason why this doesn't matter but presumably there is one)

and on, and on.

Couldn't help but laugh when United scored to go ahead against Bayern, just turned to the lads I was watching it with and said "sure it doesn't matter a ****, he'll get literally no credit for it from half the people watching anyway". Lo and behold...

Jeez, turns out United have had a ****ing fantastic season after all! How could we not see it? Many thanks to keane for showing us what we could not see and special thanks to David Moyes for doing such a great job.

keane2097 · 07-04-2014 03:30PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Jeez, turns out United have had a ****ing fantastic season after all! How could we not see it? Many thanks to keane for showing us what we could not see and special thanks to David Moyes for doing such a great job.

Do you think any of the listed things counts as "good"?

Mikeyt086 · 07-04-2014 03:31PM

Mata-love update:
Mata and Kagawa have a beautiful thing going and Bearded Genius did a great job of reporting it.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manchester-united-news-juan-mata-3384540

"What Juan and Shinji showed against both Aston Villa and Newcastle United was an instinctive appreciation for each other’s games that hadn’t been afforded by more celebrated colleagues. They’re like the two quiet sensitive boys in nursery who don’t quite take to the raucous behaviour of the rest of the class but discover a friend for life in the other whilst neatly colouring within the lines…before going on to found Pixar or something."

MATAGAWA!!

Lord TSC · 07-04-2014 03:32PM

keane2097 wrote: »

Couldn't help but laugh when United scored to go ahead against Bayern, just turned to the lads I was watching it with and said "sure it doesn't matter a ****, he'll get literally no credit for it from half the people watching anyway". Lo and behold...

This shows how it works both ways though; everything that has gone wrong has been blamed on the players by the Pro-Moyes brigade, and everything that goes right (and how little there has been) is attributed to Moyes....

Xenophile · 07-04-2014 03:32PM

keane2097 wrote: »

best away record in the EPL
doesn't matter, (can't actually think of a reason why this doesn't matter but presumably there is one)

Doesn't Mata, or does it?

kippy · 07-04-2014 03:34PM

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

This shows how it works both ways though; everything that has gone wrong has been blamed on the players by the Pro-Moyes brigade, and everything that goes right (and how little there has been) is attributed to Moyes....

Not necessarily.........
Moyes has his faults and he's made mistakes. I dont think there's anyone out there that would disagree with that - no matter what "side" they are on.

Things improved in the Bayern game - the only people who know why are Moyes and the players.

keane2097 · 07-04-2014 03:37PM

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

This shows how it works both ways though; everything that has gone wrong has been blamed on the players by the Pro-Moyes brigade, and everything that goes right (and how little there has been) is attributed to Moyes....

It doesn't work both ways at all - it works neither way.

It's easy to assume anyone who thinks Moyes did well to get a result against Bayern are saying everything that has gone wrong is the players fault and everything that goes right is down to Moyes to avoid responding to a sensible argument.

Keep poisoning the well like that and you'll never have to respond to a decent argument ever.

Timmyctc · 07-04-2014 03:39PM

kippy wrote: »

Not necessarily.........
Moyes has his faults and he's made mistakes. I dont think there's anyone out there that would disagree with that - no matter what "side" they are on.

Things improved in the Bayern game - the only people who know why are Moyes and the players.

Well as we were all reliably informed in the match thread the only reason things improved were that Bayern were a much poorer side than before kick off and Moyes negative tactics suited this particular game (obviously) however none of their pre match predictions reflected such opinions.

Your Airbag · 07-04-2014 03:39PM

keane2097 wrote: »

The "name one good thing he's done all season" brigade have been a real highpoint this season.

- Bought a central midfielder
doesn't matter he's ****

- bought Mata
doesn't matter not a central midfielder

- tied Rooney down
doesn't matter too much money

- brought through Januzaj
doesn't matter, how could he not have brought through such a talented youngster sure we gave Pogba his chance

- crushed Champions League group
doesn't matter, **** group

- pulled off exceptionally rare comeback in ECL second round
doesn't matter, Olympiakos are ****

- drew 1-1 with Bayern Munich in ECL first leg
doesn't matter, Bayern weren't interested, get hockeyed in second leg, should be beating Bayern anyway

- best away record in the EPL
doesn't matter, (can't actually think of a reason why this doesn't matter but presumably there is one)

and on, and on.

Couldn't help but laugh when United scored to go ahead against Bayern, just turned to the lads I was watching it with and said "sure it doesn't matter a ****, he'll get literally no credit for it from half the people watching anyway". Lo and behold...

This. Yes it hasn't been great but to say that there have been no positive points what so ever is being overly negative for the sake of it.

Remember DDG's first season? The amount of people saying he will not cut it and should be replaced a few months in were large. I remember my friend (a gunners fan) saying he will never replace VDS and we will struggle big time with him in goal after the error he made in the first game against West Brom he had. He kept this up all season and when City won the title he blamed DDG.

There were many negative articles about DDG through out the season but just look at him now. He is one of the best keepers in the world and has every chance to be as good a keeper for UTD than any in our history.

There is no reason this time next season why we can't be saying the same about Moyes. After the tough first season he will know what he wants to address and where he wants to add to the squad.

The first season was always going to be tough and Moyes has made lots of errors but it doesn't mean he is clueless and can't turn it around next season. Thats the beauty of football and why I am still willing to give him one more season/

07-04-2014 03:40PM

Mikeyt086 wrote: »

Mata-love update:
Mata and Kagawa have a beautiful thing going and Bearded Genius did a great job of reporting it.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manchester-united-news-juan-mata-3384540

"What Juan and Shinji showed against both Aston Villa and Newcastle United was an instinctive appreciation for each other’s games that hadn’t been afforded by more celebrated colleagues. They’re like the two quiet sensitive boys in nursery who don’t quite take to the raucous behaviour of the rest of the class but discover a friend for life in the other whilst neatly colouring within the lines…before going on to found Pixar or something."

MATAGAWA!!

MATAGAWA!! = Win

kippy · 07-04-2014 03:41PM

Your Airbag wrote: »

This. Yes it hasn't been great but to say that there have been no positive points is what so ever is being overly negative for the sake of it.

Remember DDG's first season? The amount of people saying he will not cut it and should be replaced a few months in were large. I remember my friend (a gunners fan) saying he will never replace VDS and we will struggle big time with him in goal after the error he made in the first game against West Brom he had. He kept this up all season and when City won the title he blamed DDG.

There were many negative articles about DDG through out the season but just look at him know. He is one of the best keepers in the world and has every chance to be as good a keeper for UTD than any in our history.

There is no reason this time next season why we can't be saying the same about Moyes. After the tough first season he will know what he wants to address and where he wants to add to the squad.

The first season was always going to be tough and Moyes has made lots of errors but it doesn't mean he is clueless and can't turn it around next season. Thats the beauty of football and why I am still willing to give him one more season/

That's a very balanced post. Are you sure you are okay?

You can also use tonnes of other examples to highlight the same point but as I said about, shortterm, kneejerkery is unfortunately a big part of why players/managers get written off so fast.

MagicIRL · 07-04-2014 03:44PM

Mikeyt086 wrote: »

MATAGAWA!!

Has Science gone too far? I don't think we're ready...

keane2097 · 07-04-2014 03:45PM

Matagawa is a terrific word. I will be using it.

Your Airbag · 07-04-2014 03:45PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Jeez, turns out United have had a ****ing fantastic season after all! How could we not see it? Many thanks to keane for showing us what we could not see and special thanks to David Moyes for doing such a great job.

Way to take a post purposely out of context. Keane pointed out some positive things Moyes has done for us. He never said it was a fantastic season and Moyes did a great job.

If you want to ignore everything else bar the negatives than go ahead but its not the reality of the situation. Moyes has done some good things, he has gotten it wrong many times too, that is the reality.

A minimum of two seasons for me with Moyes. He could still turn out to be a good manager for us. Next season will be crucial for us and him. He won't get the same support and leeway as he has had this season.

07-04-2014 03:47PM

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

This shows how it works both ways though; everything that has gone wrong has been blamed on the players by the Pro-Moyes brigade, and everything that goes right (and how little there has been) is attributed to Moyes....

The fact you're still going on about there being a 'pro-Moyes brigade' is ridiculous tbh. I'm pro-United and if you read my posts I've given out about Moyes plenty. Just because people like to not take negatives from every situation and blame everything bar 9/11 on the manager doesn't mean that we are unfalteringly loyal to him. It's just something that the negative people on here use to discredit anything that doesn't paint Moyes in a negative light.

NeVeR · 07-04-2014 03:49PM

Match Day Transport Questions

Hi lads.

I'll be heading to the Man U vs Norwich game on the 26th 17:30 kick off.

I will be staying in a hotel in the city center.

I won't to get a taxi to the ground and arrive in and around the stadium area about 90 minutes before kick off. ( I'm traveling with a person can can't walk that fast so I'll be taking my time getting there )

I've been to many games but always got the Trams / train to it walked down.. I can't get them this time.. So I will be getting a taxi.

I know street close a few hours before the game.

My questions are

1: What time should I leave the hotel at to be sure I arrive to the general area about 4 o clock..

2: any ideas how long a taxi will take from city center to the stadium area ( I know we can't get to close )

3: Are there any streets I should ask the taxi driver to drop me to that would be open and close enough.

Cheers lads.

MagicIRL · 07-04-2014 03:55PM

NeVeR wrote: »

Match Day Transport Questions

Hi lads.

I'll be heading to the Man U vs Norwich game on the 26th 17:30 kick off.

I will be staying in a hotel in the city center.

I won't to get a taxi to the ground and arrive in and around the stadium area about 90 minutes before kick off. ( I'm traveling with a person can can't walk that fast so I'll be taking my time getting there )

I've been to many games but always got the Trams / train to it walked down.. I can't get them this time.. So I will be getting a taxi.

I know street close a few hours before the game.

My questions are

1: What time should I leave the hotel at to be sure I arrive to the general area about 4 o clock..

2: any ideas how long a taxi will take from city center to the stadium area ( I know we can't get to close )

3: Are there any streets I should ask the taxi driver to drop me to that would be open and close enough.

Cheers lads.

1. If you're in the City Centre you can just use the Tram/Metro (Manchester Luas, basically) to drop you off at Old Trafford. I think it leaves you right at the end of Sir Matt Busby Way, and is about a kilometer walk to Old Trafford. Be warned though, it's absolutely jammed after the game. The benefit of this is that you'll be walking up along with all the other fans and the atmosphere can be great.

2. Taxi wise I would depend on the traffic. OT is pretty close to the city centre in my opinion. I would say 15-20mins tops would get you to it. If you leave 90mins before kick off you'll get there no bother. You could always swan in to the United museum in you go early. There's also an incredible war museum, the IMI Imperial War Museum, across the river next to Old Trafford. Highly recommend checking it out!

3. When I was last at OT, back in Feb, I got a taxi to OT and he drove right in to the carpark and dropped me off. I'm not sure about closing streets off. The whole area around the stadium is pretty nice, right up to Media City if you want to go for a walk before the game, too.

Mikeyt086 · 07-04-2014 03:56PM

keane2097 wrote: »

Matagawa is a terrific word. I will be using it.

It's a terrific tandem too, hopefully Moyes will be using it.

MagicIRL · 07-04-2014 03:58PM

With all the love Matagawa is getting I feel Big Dave is being left out

Lord TSC · 07-04-2014 03:58PM

Liam O wrote: »

The fact you're still going on about there being a 'pro-Moyes brigade' is ridiculous tbh. I'm pro-United and if you read my posts I've given out about Moyes plenty. Just because people like to not take negatives from every situation and blame everything bar 9/11 on the manager doesn't mean that we are unfalteringly loyal to him. It's just something that the negative people on here use to discredit anything that doesn't paint Moyes in a negative light.

With all due respect, you're not someone who I'd consider to fall into that "pro-Moyes" brigade. I refer, without naming names, to the ones who think Moyes is utterly blameless, who think all it takes for everything to work out is time, who "BELIEVE!" and who are OTT positive to the level of near-trolling.

Fair play to you for being balanced. You don't represent the type of person I refer to as "Pro-Moyes". But don't pretend like there isn't a subsection of fans who think saying anything remotely negative about Moyes is akin to saying "**** Man United". Even saying "I'm Pro-United" can imply that there's a section who are "Anti-United" among the fans, and that's treading towards the "Real fan" nonsense I detest on here.

Listen, fair play to people who remain positive, but I've seen this before this season; we're on a bit of a high cause we beat two dross teams and managed a draw against Bayern at OT. But this is the 100th "Turning the corner" moment we've had this season. I'm not going to get ahead of myself and start declaring Moyes a success based on a good week; I'm judging things on the year as a whole, and personally feel the negative aspects of his reign far, far outweigh the good. And worse, I have a feeling that once the Bayern game and Everton game are out of the way, we'll see the topic back at the dark negative hole again...

07-04-2014 03:59PM

NeVeR wrote: »

Match Day Transport Questions

Hi lads.

I'll be heading to the Man U vs Norwich game on the 26th 17:30 kick off.

I will be staying in a hotel in the city center.

I won't to get a taxi to the ground and arrive in and around the stadium area about 90 minutes before kick off. ( I'm traveling with a person can can't walk that fast so I'll be taking my time getting there )

I've been to many games but always got the Trams / train to it walked down.. I can't get them this time.. So I will be getting a taxi.

I know street close a few hours before the game.

My questions are

1: What time should I leave the hotel at to be sure I arrive to the general area about 4 o clock..

2: any ideas how long a taxi will take from city center to the stadium area ( I know we can't get to close )

3: Are there any streets I should ask the taxi driver to drop me to that would be open and close enough.

Cheers lads.

Yep, No issues with Taxi's as Magic has already said, just ensure you book in time with the hotel @ the lobby, (I done it the night before for about 2 hours before kick off, we went to the pub down the road from the stadium post match).

keane2097 · 07-04-2014 04:01PM

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

With all due respect, you're not someone who I'd consider to fall into that "pro-Moyes" brigade. I refer, without naming names, to the ones who think Moyes is utterly blameless, who think all it takes for everything to work out is time, who "BELIEVE!" and who are OTT positive to the level of near-trolling.

Fair play to you for being balanced. You don't represent the type of person I refer to as "Pro-Moyes". But don't pretend like there isn't a subsection of fans who think saying anything remotely negative about Moyes is akin to saying "**** Man United". Even saying "I'm Pro-United" can imply that there's a section who are "Anti-United" among the fans, and that's treading towards the "Real fan" nonsense I detest on here.

Listen, fair play to people who remain positive, but I've seen this before this season; we're on a bit of a high cause we beat two dross teams and managed a draw against Bayern at OT. But this is the 100th "Turning the corner" moment we've had this season. I'm not going to get ahead of myself and start declaring Moyes a success based on a good week; I'm judging things on the year as a whole, and personally feel the negative aspects of his reign far, far outweigh the good. And worse, I have a feeling that once the Bayern game and Everton game are out of the way, we'll see the topic back at the dark negative hole again...

I don't know whether you think I would fall into that category or not, but either way it shouldn't stop you from taking the statement that "Moyes did well in getting a result against Bayern" on its merits instead of just responding to it with some notion that some people who you refuse to name might say the same thing while blaming the players completely for every bad thing that happens.

keane2097 · 07-04-2014 04:03PM

Your Airbag wrote: »

Way to take a post purposely out of context. Keane pointed out some positive things Moyes has done for us. He never said it was a fantastic season and Moyes did a great job.

Thanks but there's really no need for this - everyone is well used to bucketybuck's inability to respond reasonably to anything at this stage.

kippy · 07-04-2014 04:03PM

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

With all due respect, you're not someone who I'd consider to fall into that "pro-Moyes" brigade. I refer, without naming names, to the ones who think Moyes is utterly blameless, who think all it takes for everything to work out is time, who "BELIEVE!" and who are OTT positive to the level of near-trolling.

Fair play to you for being balanced. You don't represent the type of person I refer to as "Pro-Moyes". But don't pretend like there isn't a subsection of fans who think saying anything remotely negative about Moyes is akin to saying "**** Man United". Even saying "I'm Pro-United" can imply that there's a section who are "Anti-United" among the fans, and that's treading towards the "Real fan" nonsense I detest on here.

Listen, fair play to people who remain positive, but I've seen this before this season; we're on a bit of a high cause we beat two dross teams and managed a draw against Bayern at OT. But this is the 100th "Turning the corner" moment we've had this season. I'm not going to get ahead of myself and start declaring Moyes a success based on a good week; I'm judging things on the year as a whole, and personally feel the negative aspects of his reign far, far outweigh the good. And worse, I have a feeling that once the Bayern game and Everton game are out of the way, we'll see the topic back at the dark negative hole again...

The thing is, thats all part of supporting a club.
Good times and bad etc.

The_Kew_Tour · 07-04-2014 04:07PM

You're a prick if you are on Pro Moyes side and vice versa.

You cant win with everyone.

I will praise the team and players if it's derserved and will call them out if crap.

Just hope we can at least test Bayern and give them a freight.

Be a terrific scalp. Be up there with Barca 08 and Juve 99 for me.(That Juve side was still unreal side on paper)

Lord TSC · 07-04-2014 04:09PM

keane2097 wrote: »

I don't know whether you think I would fall into that category or not, but either way it shouldn't stop you from taking the statement that "Moyes did well in getting a result against Bayern" on its merits instead of just responding to it with some notion that some people who you refuse to name might say the same thing while blaming the players completely for every bad thing that happens.

Moyes did do well to get a result. So did the players, many of whom are apparently needing to be replaced according to a lot of fans; after all, doesn't Moyes need 200m to rebuild the squad this summer.

Meanwhile, I also remember that the tactics that worked against Bayern bombed pretty badly against City and Liverpool not long before.

Moyes did well against Bayern in the first leg; we only let in one goal. Yippee. It still doesn't change the fact we're having a bad season under Moyes, and that more often than not, he's gotten things wrong.

kippy wrote: »

The thing is, thats all part of supporting a club.
Good times and bad etc.

Of course.

What shouldn't be part of the club, however, is blindly accepting the flaws are unfixable and thinking sticking fingers in ears will lead to everything getting better. I've no problem with bad times provided the club looks to be doing everything to make sure such times aren't let go by and that we don't learn from them.

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