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Provincial Schools Cups 2013-2014 [MOD NOTE POST 1]

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    #2162
    The Lost Sheep
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    mtwr999 wrote: »
    you mean when he impressed greatly? It's not every year you see a u17 second row start for Ireland u18 schools and perform well... then go on an captaining leinster u19 to a win against Australia schools as an u18, while also scoring a try.
    there is regularly players playing a year under and impressing but as I said that's what people don't say. they say he's a fourth year but what is more relevant is saying he's an u17
    The captaining of a side a year younger is a very impressive feat.


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    #2163
    Hagz
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    Well it's kind of the same thing. If you're in 4th year you will more often than not be u17.


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    #2164
    thetruth_time
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    The squad going to FIRA should have the best from the youths, schools and exiles. With a second strength squad of the remainder playing in the fixtures the youths play.
    The schools v youths fixture at Christmas should be final trial in selection for each squad though obviously outstanding performances in schools cups/later stages of youths competitions like pan munster etc should give a player another chance to be looked at by irish coaches

    Back when you were 'Ormond Lad' on a thread like this a you were complaining about how the youths should be representing Ireland at Fira, I made the suggestion that there should be no Ireland schools/youths teams, just ireland u18 & Ire u18 'A' and you couldn't have disagreed more!

    Funny how you you've changed your tune!!


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    #2165
    The Lost Sheep
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    thetruth_time wrote: »
    Back when you were 'Ormond Lad' on a thread like this a you were complaining about how the youths should be representing Ireland at Fira, I made the suggestion that there should be no Ireland schools/youths teams, just ireland u18 & Ire u18 'A' and you couldn't have disagreed more!

    Funny how you you've changed your tune!!
    Cant have changed any tune if didn't play one in the beginning...
    when the youths competed in the FIRA competition the schools competed in another competition and when that competition was stopped the youths were dumped out of the FIRA for the schools side


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    #2166
    thetruth_time
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    Cant have changed any tune if didn't play one in the beginning...
    when the youths competed in the FIRA competition the schools competed in another competition and when that competition was stopped the youths were dumped out of the FIRA for the schools side
    Changed your tune is a phrase people often use.. Not to worry if you don't understand the meaning of the term...

    Should have said you've Changed your opinion, there much easier for you to understand.


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    #2167
    The Lost Sheep
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    thetruth_time wrote: »
    Changed your tune is a phrase people often use.. Not to worry if you don't understand the meaning of the term...

    Should have said you've Changed your opinion, there much easier for you to understand.
    I understood what you said the first time which Is why I replied in manner I did

    Anyway is anyone going to Connacht SSC replay tomorrow? Ive a meeting in Galway City Centre around 3 o clock so should be able to squeeze in the most of the game beforehand?

    Hard to predict a winner after last game. Anyone else have a prediction?


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    #2168
    Bridge93
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    I'd have to agree that it would be nice if we could have an u18 side sent to the euros that is a representative of the best players underage that we have be they schools or clubs. I'd like to see it happen.
    But how likely is it to ever happen? Or how difficult would it be Torrey set up such a team? If there was an A team it would fill any worry that it means less players getting time but I suppose you'd have to wonder who could they play. Maybe enter the European B league?
    What do the other elite nations do selection wise?


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    #2169
    The Lost Sheep
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    Bridge93 wrote: »
    I'd have to agree that it would be nice if we could have an u18 side sent to the euros that is a representative of the best players underage that we have be they schools or clubs. I'd like to see it happen.
    But how likely is it to ever happen? Or how difficult would it be Torrey set up such a team? If there was an A team it would fill any worry that it means less players getting time but I suppose you'd have to wonder who could they play. Maybe enter the European B league?
    What do the other elite nations do selection wise?
    France have an A and a B side. England have a side for players already in the premiership academies as under 18s and another side for those not yet or not interested in playing for the pro sides or joining academies.
    Most other countries field just one side
    Its unlikely to ever happen. What European b league?


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    #2170
    The Lost Sheep
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    Sligo Grammar won Connacht Senior title in todays replay. Grammar won 10-9 in tough conditions and deserved victory. Garbally tried to play a bit too wide and would have been better off using their bigger pack a bit closer to breakdown and wearing down their opponents.
    Weather was horrible throughout though not a bad game


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    #2171
    Brewster
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    Sligo Grammar won Connacht Senior title in todays replay. Grammar won 10-9 in tough conditions and deserved victory. Garbally tried to play a bit too wide and would have been better off using their bigger pack a bit closer to breakdown and wearing down their opponents.
    Weather was horrible throughout though not a bad game

    Delighted for them. They should have won last week by all accounts.


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    #2172
    The Lost Sheep
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    Brewster wrote: »
    Delighted for them. They should have won last week by all accounts.
    Yeah probably.
    Thought last weekends game was better tbh
    That's a Connacht double for some of those Sligo players as Sligo RFC won Connacht u19 league and lost out to Bruff in All Ireland semi last weekend


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    #2173
    annelin
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    it will be involved


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    #2174
    Hagz
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    Ireland u18 beat Scotland 26-6. Tries from Matthew Gilsenan, Jacob Stockdale (2) and Calvin Nash
    http://www.irishrugby.ie/rugby/fixturesandresults/30298.php


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    #2175
    The Lost Sheep
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    Hagz wrote: »
    Ireland u18 schools beat Scotland 26-6. Tries from Matthew Gilsenan, Jacob Stockdale (2) and Calvin Nash
    http://www.irishrugby.ie/rugby/fixturesandresults/30298.php
    FYP
    Alright win as Scotland aren't the greatest.
    England will be side to beat at this level in FIRA as they've dominated since the change of format for 2011 when schools side replaced youths for Ireland


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    #2176
    Hagz
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    Don't you mean BYP :pac:


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    #2177
    Hagz
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMHgl2UaRRo


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    #2178
    thetruth_time
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    FYP"]http://www.irishrugby.ie/rugby/fixturesandresults/30298.php[/URL]
    FYP
    Alright win as Scotland aren't the greatest.
    England will be side to beat at this level in FIRA as they've dominated since the change of format for 2011 when schools side replaced youths for Ireland[/quote]
    Not correct... Ireland won Fira in 2011, beat England in the final!!


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    #2179
    The Lost Sheep
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    thetruth_time wrote: »
    Not correct... Ireland won Fira in 2011, beat England in the final!!
    What's not correct? England have won all the other competitions and lost just once since they began to send their premier side to the FIRA championships.

    That's what I call domination of a competition. 1 loss in 9-10 games over 3 tournaments.

    Only school competitions to be decided are 2nd/3rd/4th cups/leagues aren't they?


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    #2180
    thetruth_time
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    they've dominated since the change of format for 2011 when schools side replaced youths for Ireland[/quote]
    That is what's not correct. Ireland Schools won the competition in 2011.


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    #2181
    The Lost Sheep
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    thetruth_time wrote: »
    That is what's not correct. Ireland Schools won the competition in 2011.
    England have still dominated. Were in final in 2011 and won the other two competitions. So it is correct. They've dominated the competition. 2 wins and a runners up place. in final each year.


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    #2182
    RobbieRuns
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    England have dominated this competition, I think that is fair and factual.


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    #2183
    Hagz
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    LS, you'll be happy to know that Leinster are taking the initiative and sending branch reps to the schools around Leinster with the goal of encouraging students to carry on playing rugby after school.


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    #2184
    The Lost Sheep
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    Hagz wrote: »
    LS, you'll be happy to know that Leinster are taking the initiative and sending branch reps to the schools around Leinster with the goal of encouraging students to carry on playing rugby after school.
    Yeah i saw Ward mention it in the Indo. Wonder what they are actually doing to try keep people in the game.


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    #2185
    Gordon Gecko
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    The Lost Sheep wrote: »
    Yeah i saw Ward mention it in the Indo. Wonder what they are actually doing to try keep people in the game.

    Yeah it'll be interesting all right to see what tack they take with it. Could never understand why so many talented players from my year, and even less talented ones who enjoyed the sport, dropped out of it to booze and the likes. So many clubs are prioritizing their u20s, free gear and the like, and giving young lads opportunities in the senior squad that they can't really be faulted.


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    #2186
    The Lost Sheep
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    Gordon Gecko wrote: »
    Yeah it'll be interesting all right to see what tack they take with it. Could never understand why so many talented players from my year, and even less talented ones who enjoyed the sport, dropped out of it to booze and the likes. So many clubs are prioritizing their u20s, free gear and the like, and giving young lads opportunities in the senior squad that they can't really be faulted.
    Never mind just the players who are senior 1st xv players but what of the players who are 3rds/4ths etc. They are the ones who dont get the attention from the clubs..

    Should there be small "open u19 cups" similar to in Limerick at the end of the season in Dublin. Small cup where all the senior clubs enter sides and play small competition where any kid who attended a rugby playing school is encouraged to play. This could be first step to try keep players who will not have played any rugby outside of a school environment for possibly 5/6 years play for a club before the end of the season and it may help in keeping them playing rugby the following september and on....


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    #2187
    Hagz
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    I have no idea what they're going to do, but even the simple action of going to the school and encouraging everyone and more importantly explaining to them that there is room for everyone will help draw in a more numbers for sure.


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    #2188
    FrannoFan
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    Schools are possibly guilty of not fostering a relationship with the Schools. Some do but a lot are more concerned with immediate goals like winning the cup.
    Clubs do themselves no favours by paying lads to play 20's. If you give a lad a few grand to play for your club when he is that age grade, how is he to be motivated to play for the same clubs seconds/thirds for free after wards?


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    #2189
    RuPi
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    Why are Dublin schools so far ahead in general? A lot of Ulster schools train just as much but are still off the pace, is it down to resources? Quality of coaching? The culture? Is more done from an earlier age rather than waiting to Senior rugby?


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    #2190
    rugby addict
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    RuPi wrote: »
    Why are Dublin schools so far ahead in general? A lot of Ulster schools train just as much but are still off the pace, is it down to resources? Quality of coaching? The culture? Is more done from an earlier age rather than waiting to Senior rugby?
    The big Dublin schools are coached at higher standard in the early years and therefore have a much better skill set by the time they make it to Senior rugby, when other schools are trying to catch up.


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    #2191
    FrannoFan
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    RuPi wrote: »
    Why are Dublin schools so far ahead in general? A lot of Ulster schools train just as much but are still off the pace, is it down to resources? Quality of coaching? The culture? Is more done from an earlier age rather than waiting to Senior rugby?

    If you are in a rugby school in leinster you are training 4 days a week from a young age compared to twice a week perhaps in a club.
    Added to that there is the cultural significance of making schools sides
    The number of competitive sides drive up the standards. Methody are as good as most leinster schools but there might only be 1/2/3 tough team for them in ulster. When you see a smaller school like Andrews have 4 Irish u18 it gives you the idea of the standard across the board. The big 6 and around 4 to 5 strong league schools setting high standards for each other make it all very competitive.


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