Manchester United Superthread 2014 Mod warning Post #1880 #2613

TheDoc · 28-03-2014 04:11PM

You know I kinda wonder if only the passion we show in here, was somehow brought to the voting polls during European elections, maybe we would actually have decent governments in power.

PRobably give loads of guff over Moyes having no experience and not diserving it, but statistics alone would indicate there is people here who were happy to have a secondary school teacher run our country in a time of economic turmoil :P

Don't mean to derail the topic, but just a funny thought

Bannerman7 · 28-03-2014 04:12PM

A statement from the fans on the Red Issue website

“This isn’t a reaction because we aren’t getting our own way in terms of winning games. There is neither sufficient time or space to list the unwanted records set by the club this season under Moyes’ stewardship. We cannot have a manager who thinks it is acceptable to call our major rivals ‘favourites’ when they play us at Old Trafford.
“It is a betrayal of this club’s ethos, a betrayal of the players and a betrayal of the fans' support. We want a manager who understands and embraces our attacking traditions and has a vision of confidence for the future, not a manager who seems to be completely disassociated and visibly uncomfortable with the fact that he is Manchester United manager.”

Lord TSC · 28-03-2014 04:12PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Before United fans used to always give Chelsea stick for sacking managers to quickly, now it's a group of United fans who are going to great lengths to get their manager sacked quickly. Amazing how quickly things change.

Yes, let's only look at things on the most superficial and quickest level.

Let's not delve into specifics at all.

:rolleyes:

spiralism · 28-03-2014 04:13PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Before United fans used to always give Chelsea stick for sacking managers to quickly, now it's a group of United fans who are going to great lengths to get their manager sacked quickly. Amazing how quickly things change.

Circumstances not similar. In the same vein were Chelsea wrong to sack AVB and Scolari? This isn't us calling for our champions league winning manager's head in november ffs or sacking ancelotti a year removed from the double.

He's been heavily backed, to the point of stupidity imo and it's been absolutely ****ing disastrous. I now totally understand what Liverpool fans were on about with Roy Hodgson except this is worse and Hodgson is 1,000 times the manager Moyes is. He has to go and fans actually still backing him need to wake the **** up and realise what he's doing to the club. We keep him another year and he could do a level of damage to a club not seen since Ridsdale.

The_Kew_Tour · 28-03-2014 04:13PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Before United fans used to always give Chelsea stick for sacking managers to quickly, now it's a group of United fans who are going to great lengths to get their manager sacked quickly. Amazing how quickly things change.

Well they were sacking managers who won them ahhh

Champions League

Premier League

FA Cup

League Cup.

Bit of a difference there. Just a little.

The plane though is cringe. Very bad.

Ulysses Gaze · 28-03-2014 04:13PM

TheDoc wrote: »

I actually posted that and went "I'm going to get roasted here, I've forgotten a gem"

Then I thought back and there really isn't anyone. Sorry, but for all the huffing and puffing made about how Ferguson developed our youth system and all that jazz, it hasn't really reaped any rewards. I'm sure it's maybe making the club a decent profit, couple of mill here and there for acadamy graduates that get sold to other clubs, but we havn't integrated anyone of note in nearly two decades. Thats shocking

Barcelona, Real Madrid etc. whilst might not either, they produce GENUINE quality players, that you will see playing in the top leagues around Europe.

You can barely watch a La Liga game on sky without being reminded how X player was with Madrids youth system. They tend to go spunk a fortune on a new player, but the youth graduate tends to be a pretty talented player who moves to another club in La Liga.

When you look at what we even sell to others, there is rarely if ever a REALLy good player, who maybe just got stung with us buying someone better. We normally end up buying, because there is nothing of worth in the ranks to step up.

Was plenty mooted about it by Gill and Ferguson before the changeover as how it would help keep the club competitive for years to come, sorry, more bull**** that Moyes most likely had to come to grips with aswell. Let alone is a now underfire manager going to blood in any young player. It was gamble enough with Januzaj in his first season in charge.

...and it doesn't help Moyes that Ferguson lost one, if not two, of the best young central midfielders in Europe before he left.

KombuchaMshroom · 28-03-2014 04:18PM

Was just having a discussion with a friend and it got me thinking, how long would it take for us to lose our place as first choice seeds in Europe, if the worst did happen, and Moyes stays in charge for a few years and keeps us out of Europe.

Assuming at this stage that we aren't qualifying next year, and if we didn't qualify again next year, surely 2 years out of Europe would have our position in danger, especially with the likes of PSG, Dortmund and Atletico on the climb?

Very pessimistic post I know, surely it won't happen, but just wondering in case it did, could be a real long-term negative impact Moyes has on us!

Chucky the tree · 28-03-2014 04:20PM

spiralism wrote: »

Circumstances not similar. In the same vein were Chelsea wrong to sack AVB and Scolari? This isn't us calling for our champions league winning manager's head in november ffs or sacking ancelotti a year removed from the double.

He's been heavily backed, to the point of stupidity imo and it's been absolutely ****ing disastrous. I now totally understand what Liverpool fans were on about with Roy Hodgson except this is worse and Hodgson is 1,000 times the manager Moyes is. He has to go and fans actually still backing him need to wake the **** up and realise what he's doing to the club. We keep him another year and he could do a level of damage to a club not seen since Ridsdale.

They definitely should have sacked AVB anyway. I'm not sure how he's been heavily backed. Last minute deals in the summer and then a desperation bid in January after the wheels had already come off.

spiralism · 28-03-2014 04:22PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

They definitely should have sacked AVB anyway. I'm not sure how he's been heavily backed. Last minute deals in the summer and then a desperation bid in January after the wheels had already come off.

Still spent 65 million and all indications are still that he has full boardroom support so id regard that as being heavily backed

Sacking a woefully underperforming manager does not make us Chelsea or Real Madrid. People forget that prior to Fergie we went through a few managers, had we not done so or persisted with Big Ron when things were going to **** we'd never have hired the great man in the first place.

LiamoSail · 28-03-2014 04:23PM

KombuchaMshroom wrote: »

Was just having a discussion with a friend and it got me thinking, how long would it take for us to lose our place as first choice seeds in Europe, if the worst did happen, and Moyes stays in charge for a few years and keeps us out of Europe.

Assuming at this stage that we aren't qualifying next year, and if we didn't qualify again next year, surely 2 years out of Europe would have our position in danger, especially with the likes of PSG, Dortmund and Atletico on the climb?

Very pessimistic post I know, surely it won't happen, but just wondering in case it did, could be a real long-term negative impact Moyes has on us!

Liverpool's last CL appearance was 09/10. The likelihood is if we we're in it next season, it will be in the third pot having previously been one of the highest ranked sides after the two finals

LiamoSail · 28-03-2014 04:26PM

Bannerman7 wrote: »

A statement from the fans on the Red Issue website

“This isn’t a reaction because we aren’t getting our own way in terms of winning games. There is neither sufficient time or space to list the unwanted records set by the club this season under Moyes’ stewardship. We cannot have a manager who thinks it is acceptable to call our major rivals ‘favourites’ when they play us at Old Trafford.
“It is a betrayal of this club’s ethos, a betrayal of the players and a betrayal of the fans' support. We want a manager who understands and embraces our attacking traditions and has a vision of confidence for the future, not a manager who seems to be completely disassociated and visibly uncomfortable with the fact that he is Manchester United manager.”

What I find amazing about that is that there's 70k fans there, the hardcore of supporters, who can make their opinion known. Why the need for a plane the publicise a particular fan forums view on the subject?

NTMK · 28-03-2014 04:27PM

KombuchaMshroom wrote: »

Was just having a discussion with a friend and it got me thinking, how long would it take for us to lose our place as first choice seeds in Europe, if the worst did happen, and Moyes stays in charge for a few years and keeps us out of Europe.

Assuming at this stage that we aren't qualifying next year, and if we didn't qualify again next year, surely 2 years out of Europe would have our position in danger, especially with the likes of PSG, Dortmund and Atletico on the climb?

Very pessimistic post I know, surely it won't happen, but just wondering in case it did, could be a real long-term negative impact Moyes has on us!

were losing it if we dont make any european competion this year and it will take 2 good years to recover it afaik

seeds are taken on a 5 year performance rating iirc and were 5th. it will take psg another 2-3 years to get a top seed unless they win or get to the final

5starpool · 28-03-2014 04:28PM

KombuchaMshroom wrote: »

Was just having a discussion with a friend and it got me thinking, how long would it take for us to lose our place as first choice seeds in Europe, if the worst did happen, and Moyes stays in charge for a few years and keeps us out of Europe.

Assuming at this stage that we aren't qualifying next year, and if we didn't qualify again next year, surely 2 years out of Europe would have our position in danger, especially with the likes of PSG, Dortmund and Atletico on the climb?

Very pessimistic post I know, surely it won't happen, but just wondering in case it did, could be a real long-term negative impact Moyes has on us!

First seed might go relatively quickly (dortmund are still projected to be a second seed for next season for example), but England's overall co-efficient is a big help. Liverpool, for example will be a 3rd seed next season if they get to the group stages, which is obviously not ideal, but it's been 4 years since they even competed in the CL, but no English team will be 4th seeds I reckon as even City started out as a 3rd seed.

It is the previous 5 seasons, so for the 2014/15 one, if utd were to be involved in that it would probably be these seasons contributing to the rankings:

2014/15 No Competition
2013/14 UEFA Champions League Quarter Finals (at least)
2012/13 UEFA Champions League Round of 16
2011/12 UEFA Champions League Group stage
2011/12 UEFA Europa League Round of 16
2010/11 UEFA Champions League Final

That might squeeze utd into top seeds, but perhaps not. If ye had 2 years out of the CL (especially with no EL next season perhaps), then it'd be fairly certain that ye would not be top seeds.

bullvine · 28-03-2014 04:28PM

LiamoSail wrote: »

What I find amazing about that is that there's 70k fans there, the hardcore of supporters, who can make their opinion known. Why the need for a plane the publicise a particular fan forums view on the subject?

Checked out their twitter page, sir stooge getting a lot of abuse

Idbatterim · 28-03-2014 04:30PM

I have made this point and I will make it again, top players salaries these days make the managers wages look likes peanuts, are united going to give moyes a fortune to spend to mask his deficiencies?! With him as manager, I think you could write a blank cheque and you would still have problems. Get rid of Moyes and the other deadwood players, bring in a top class manager, bring in a few new players in the problem areas... A top class manager would probably have you back in the top 4 even with some of the liability players...

Rayne Wooney · 28-03-2014 04:33PM

Michael Owen, great

"That plane flew over like a salmon out of water"

keane2097 · 28-03-2014 04:37PM

LiamoSail wrote: »

What I find amazing about that is that there's 70k fans there, the hardcore of supporters, who can make their opinion known. Why the need for a plane the publicise a particular fan forums view on the subject?

Almost as if the plane didn't represent what most of the 70k fans thought...

Rayne Wooney · 28-03-2014 04:38PM

There's no way sky will miss out on this, they'll probably get the blimp out

LiamoSail · 28-03-2014 04:42PM

keane2097 wrote: »

Almost as if the plane didn't represent what most of the 70k fans thought...

No idea what the 70k think, point is they have the medium to air it at matches. A plane is unnecessary. If people want to voice disapproval, do it at the match

citytillidie · 28-03-2014 04:43PM

Is there not meant to be a no fly zone over stadiums or is that just in the US?

Lord TSC · 28-03-2014 04:43PM

Discontent can get drowned out easily at a match, not even just by people who disagree with the sentiment but who are at a match and not thinking about it.

The plane makes sure the unhappiness is heard loud and clear.

Mr.Micro · 28-03-2014 04:44PM

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Discontent can get drowned out easily at a match, not even just by people who disagree with the sentiment but who are at a match and not thinking about it.

The plane makes sure the unhappiness is heard loud and clear.

I think that has been loud and clear for some time......

LiamoSail · 28-03-2014 04:50PM

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Discontent can get drowned out easily at a match, not even just by people who disagree with the sentiment but who are at a match and not thinking about it.

The plane makes sure the unhappiness is heard loud and clear.

Its managed alright in other grounds without the need for a plane

El Horseboxo · 28-03-2014 04:51PM

citytillidie wrote: »

Is there not meant to be a no fly zone over stadiums or is that just in the US?

None in the US anyways. Only during specific events. The Super Bowl for example had one.

Rayne Wooney · 28-03-2014 04:55PM

Anyone here got a link to the place that started the plane thing?

Is there a thread I can read?

RasTa · 28-03-2014 05:00PM

I've a feeling that " We'll stand by David Moyes" will be sung when the plane goes overhead

The_Kew_Tour · 28-03-2014 05:06PM

RasTa wrote: »

I've a feeling that " We'll stand by David Moyes" will be sung when the plane goes overhead

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDGehUbVf7Y

Iused2likebusts · 28-03-2014 05:09PM

citytillidie wrote: »

Is there not meant to be a no fly zone over stadiums or is that just in the US?

burnley fans flew a plane over ewood park a couple of weeks back.
Both these clubs have done stunts like this over the years to slag off each other.
http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/burnley-fans-hired-a-plane-with-a-banner-for-the-blackburn-game-35-years-who-cares-20-points-venkys-4ever/

Timmyctc · 28-03-2014 05:17PM

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

burnley fans flew a plane over ewood park a couple of weeks back.
Both these clubs have done stunts like this over the years to slag off each other.
http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/burnley-fans-hired-a-plane-with-a-banner-for-the-blackburn-game-35-years-who-cares-20-points-venkys-4ever/

Good to know we're amongst the Giants of Burnley and Blackburn in this plane debacle so

RasTa · 28-03-2014 05:19PM

I've seen a plane over OT when we were lifting the title one day. Strange message though

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