Manchester United Superthread 2014 Mod warning Post #1880 #2613

TheDoc · 27-03-2014 04:06PM

bangkok wrote: »

german league is very poor in fairness, sure didn't steve McLaren win a league title in Holland

It's not poor at all. Bayern have a dominance in the league for sure, built out of uncomparible financial power that is beyond a joke. But if you remove Bayern you have a pretty competitive league and a very good standard.

It's not the same as say Scotland, as some outragous commenting suggests. Scottish football is a pretty poor standard of football, the Bundesliga can be pretty competitive outside of Bayern.

TheDoc · 27-03-2014 04:07PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

It probably has something to do with them being on fixed term contracts, rather than being permanent employees. They're not being 'fired' like an employee for misconduct.

Still doesn't sit well with me. If I get a 3 year contract working as say a Sys Admin, and after a year they decide I'm absolutely horrendous and want rid, I don't get paid the remaining two years.

It's just absolutely mental stuff I never get my head around.

Nuri Sahin · 27-03-2014 04:10PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

In my opinion the word Klopp is used far too much in this thread.

Indeed he is.

bucketybuck wrote: »

It seems everybody would be delighted to get him, but he would be just as big a gamble as the appointment of Moyes was so I don't really see why people are going on so much about him.

Every manager is a gamble, some are just a bigger gamble than others. I've great respect for Ancelotti and what he has achieved in the game, but those clamouring for him fail to realise that generally his teams league form isn't that great.

bucketybuck wrote: »

A good comparison would be AVB, a young up and coming manager who achieved success and so was Europes hot property. He then came to England and failed twice, and there is little to suggest that it would be any different with Klopp.

AVB's situation was very different. Say what you want about the football, but signing players over his head like Baldini and Levy were doing is frankly a ****ty scenario to be in as well as having to incorporate half a new team. I myself was perhaps naive thinking he could get that many players to gel that quickly, but despite the poor football and poor performances in the big games, they were what, a few points off Liverpool at the the time he got sacked in 5th?

At Chelsea he was told to get the team playing good football, and they were early doors from what I recall. He paid the price for this and in turn replacing the old guard, which he shouldn't have other than perhaps Lampard. Though that still wouldn't have went down well.

Said it at the time it was announced he was off to Chelsea, and I'll say it now without a drop of hindsight in my comment, he should have stayed at Porto for another season at the very least as that Porto starting XI was as good as any in Europe under his system and would have been a real threat in the Champions League the following season if players remained too.

bucketybuck wrote: »

Ancelotti and Van Gaal I can understand, managers that have proven their capabilities time and again. But Klopp has had moderate success at one club, its every bit as likely that he is nothing more than the current flavour of the month.

This has me facepalming, that's all I can say.

bucketybuck wrote: »

Don't get me wrong, Klopp could come to United and be a roaring success, who can tell at this stage. But appointing him would be every bit as big a gamble as the appointment of Moyes, so I won't be losing sleep praying that he comes to United any time soon.

It wouldn't, but thankfully it won't come to that.

27-03-2014 04:10PM

TheDoc wrote: »

Still doesn't sit well with me. If I get a 3 year contract working as say a Sys Admin, and after a year they decide I'm absolutely horrendous and want rid, I don't get paid the remaining two years.

It's just absolutely mental stuff I never get my head around.

Back to my point, maybe it prevents counter claims for unfair dismissal? Why would they bother if they are getting all the money anyway?

Maximus Alexander · 27-03-2014 04:12PM

TheDoc wrote: »

Still doesn't sit well with me. If I get a 3 year contract working as say a Sys Admin, and after a year they decide I'm absolutely horrendous and want rid, I don't get paid the remaining two years.

It's just absolutely mental stuff I never get my head around.

There is a difference between being a temporary employee on a fixed term contract and being a self employed contractor. I expect football managers are the latter and that they insist on such terms when negotiating a contract because they are aware of how fickle football clubs are.

27-03-2014 04:16PM

I've only copped that Saturday's game vs Villa is a home one, and my expectations have just gone down a little.

The_Kew_Tour · 27-03-2014 04:18PM

stankratz wrote: »

I've only copped that Sunday's game vs Villa is a home one, and my expectations have just gone down a little.

I got on 9's with PP on Monday on Villa. They were down to around 15/2 today.

TheDoc · 27-03-2014 04:21PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

I just find it strange that people say United shouldn't have been hiring an unproven manager like Moyes, and then in the same breath want Klopp or Simone appointed. Klopp or Simone could be brilliant managers, but they will be every bit as big a gamble as Moyes was.

How is Klopp "unproven"....

Champions league final, two bundesliga titles, pretty sure they won the domestic cup, all in what, four years?

Pretty much says proven to me, when the club they are competing with are an absolute juggernaut of financial power, to buy literally anyone they want.

Jesus...now my big posts have gone from defending Moyes to defending Klopp....**** ya Davey

TheDoc · 27-03-2014 04:23PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I got on 9's with PP on Monday on Villa. They were down to around 15/2 today.

Thought we were boycotting PP. THE **** KEW.

Also Nuri is here, I'll leave the Klopp discussion to him !

The_Kew_Tour · 27-03-2014 04:26PM

TheDoc wrote: »

Thought we were boycotting PP. THE **** KEW.

Also Nuri is here, I'll leave the Klopp discussion to him !

Oh no no no.

Take money of the feckers:pac:

Rayne Wooney · 27-03-2014 04:27PM

P Neville posted some mad quote about adapting on one of his social media pages earlier and it's funny because adapting is exactly what him and Moyes have failed to do after 8 months, still dreadful tactics and decisions going on every week without any improvement

TheDoc · 27-03-2014 04:34PM

Also on a somewhat side note, and considering my thoughts yesterday at how Ferguson was building a pacey team that has somehow ended up being a frightening slow team, Berbatov is playing delicous with Monaco at the moment.

They trounced opposition in a 5-0 cup game where he was involved in pretty much all the goals, and has been playing really well since the move there.

I still seethe a little that we sold him......

Kagawa, Mata, Rooney, Berbatov......ohhh laa laa

bangkok · 27-03-2014 04:37PM

TheDoc wrote: »

It's not poor at all. Bayern have a dominance in the league for sure, built out of uncomparible financial power that is beyond a joke. But if you remove Bayern you have a pretty competitive league and a very good standard.

It's not the same as say Scotland, as some outragous commenting suggests. Scottish football is a pretty poor standard of football, the Bundesliga can be pretty competitive outside of Bayern.

yes competitive between bad teams... just look what man utd did to Leverkusen away 5-0 and look how bad united have been this season. Madrid put 9 I think past schalke... there are only 18 teams in the league and they get a winter break, serious advantage to the teams playing in Europe.

Macca07 · 27-03-2014 04:43PM

TheDoc wrote: »

Also on a somewhat side note, and considering my thoughts yesterday at how Ferguson was building a pacey team that has somehow ended up being a frightening slow team, Berbatov is playing delicous with Monaco at the moment.

They trounced opposition in a 5-0 cup game where he was involved in pretty much all the goals, and has been playing really well since the move there.

I still seethe a little that we sold him......

Kagawa, Mata, Rooney, Berbatov......ohhh laa laa

The thing is, RvP hasn't any real pace, neither does Mata. I remember when we got rid of Ruud, I was wondering what the fook SAF was doing, but it proved right. We just seem to be getting slower and slower every year. The year we won the CL in 08 was one of the best counter-attacking teams I have seen play. A midfield of Carrick and co is never going to have any pace anymore. All the pace is on the wings or from fullback, but we can't rely on our wingers to do anything anymore.

I think it would be the best thing for the current team if RvP was sold in the summer, push Rooney up top, Mata behind, with Januzai and Kagawa, with those 3 being able to interchange freely. 2 midfielders, one that breaks up play and one that sprays the passes around. Henriquez could come back from loan, be 4th choice striker behind Chico and Welbeck. Bring Powell back, give Lingard a go. We have good young players coming through the youths, we might as well give them a chance.

All we really need to sign in the summer is a first choice LB, CB and CM, and a backup RB.

TheDoc · 27-03-2014 04:47PM

I'd like to see Rooney up front more often, I think hes wasted playing anywhere else. He's a striker, end off. He has a few extra bits which are great, but that lad needs to play up front to score goals, and have responsabilities absolutely nowhere else.

Leave the clever stuff to Mata.

tallaghtmick · 27-03-2014 04:48PM

bangkok wrote: »

german league is very poor in fairness, sure didn't steve McLaren win a league title in Holland

What did you get for Geography in you leaving cert?

Rayne Wooney · 27-03-2014 04:49PM

Oh my god,

It's not true is it

Early April fools joke from the lads at paddy power

The_Kew_Tour · 27-03-2014 04:50PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Oh my god,

It's not true is it

Early April fools joke from the lads at paddy power

What?

Lord TSC · 27-03-2014 04:51PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Oh my god,

It's not true is it

Early April fools joke from the lads at paddy power

Huh?

Rayne Wooney · 27-03-2014 04:51PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

What?

@paddypower: BREAKING NEWS: Reports coming in that David Moyes has been sacked by Manchester United!!

The bástards

Macca07 · 27-03-2014 04:52PM

TheDoc wrote: »

I'd like to see Rooney up front more often, I think hes wasted playing anywhere else. He's a striker, end off. He has a few extra bits which are great, but that lad needs to play up front to score goals, and have responsabilities absolutely nowhere else.

Leave the clever stuff to Mata.

He was playing up top the other night against City and he was back on the half way line for a lot of the game trying to make things happen. Rooney up top is the best option though, only if we have a decent midfielder that can create something so that Rooney doesn't get frustrated.

bullvine · 27-03-2014 04:52PM

its not april 1st though?

adox · 27-03-2014 04:52PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

@paddypower: BREAKING NEWS: Reports coming in that David Moyes has been sacked by Manchester United!!

The bástards

April Fools on March 27th??

Lord TSC · 27-03-2014 04:53PM

Would pp break the news.

Macca07 · 27-03-2014 04:53PM

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Would pp break the news.

No, SkySports or ManUtd.com would.

And he's not going to be sacked less than a week before the CL game.

Whatsisname · 27-03-2014 04:54PM

Have they deleted it? saw it on my timeline a second ago, clicked onto their profile and its gone?

Lord TSC · 27-03-2014 04:54PM

They are already retracting it.

Weird

Whatsisname · 27-03-2014 04:55PM

Paddy Power &#8207 wrote: »

The reports are nonsense it seems. Moyes HAS NOT been sacked. He's probably at home having his tea. Shepherd's pie or something. Carry on...

Thats strange that is..

Rayne Wooney · 27-03-2014 04:55PM

They backtracked just there saying the report is not true now

They're a sham that lot

The_Kew_Tour · 27-03-2014 04:56PM

aaaaaaannnnnnnnddddddddddddd its BS.

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