Muck on roads.

sparksfly · 15-03-2014 3:55am #1

I live in a rural area. The roads around my home are completely covered in muck from farm machinery going in and out of fields. The car brings it into my driveway and feet bring it into the house. Walking or cycling for our family is almost impossible.

On a recent (2012) driving holiday in France I noticed that the roads were spotless even though it was very wet. We learned that it was a very serious crime to leave any material on the road that is severely dealt with. A brush for the tractor is mandatory (and must be used) if crossing any road.

Other outfits who cause the roads to be messed seem to clean up straight away like the local quarry, the water meter gang and Board Gais pipe laying contractors. For our local farmers, not a chance.

My questions are, how many of you clean the road after messing it up?
Is it legal for farmers to leave the roads in this state in Ireland?
Apart from legalities, do some farmers not have enough common decency and respect for their neighbors to clean up after themselves?

Sir Arthur Daley · 15-03-2014 4:06am

Have you expressed your anger at the state your neighbours leave the roads in?

sparksfly · 15-03-2014 4:17am

My nearest neighbor is a muck savage whose whole setup is a tip. Falling down sheds and bits of machinery everywhere. To think that his is a food producing business is unreal. He can barely string two words together so any kind of communication is difficult.

We mentioned it to him before but the result was an escalation of the mess.
Phoned the council but no result.

Other farmers, while not on the same scale of filth on the road, never clean up after.

Kovu · 15-03-2014 4:23am

sparksfly wrote: »

My nearest neighbor is a muck savage whose whole setup is a tip. Falling down sheds and bits of machinery everywhere. To think that his is a food producing business is unreal. He can barely string two words together so any kind of communication is difficult.

We mentioned it to him before but the result was an escalation of the mess.
Phoned the council but no result.

Other farmers, while not on the same scale of filth on the road, never clean up after.

If this is your attitude towards him, I cannot see this thread faring very well.

freedominacup · 15-03-2014 7:07am

sparksfly wrote: »

I live in a rural area. The roads around my home are completely covered in muck from farm machinery going in and out of fields. The car brings it into my driveway and feet bring it into the house. Walking or cycling for our family is almost impossible.

On a recent (2012) driving holiday in France I noticed that the roads were spotless even though it was very wet. We learned that it was a very serious crime to leave any material on the road that is severely dealt with. A brush for the tractor is mandatory (and must be used) if crossing any road.

Other outfits who cause the roads to be messed seem to clean up straight away like the local quarry, the water meter gang and Board Gais pipe laying contractors. For our local farmers, not a chance.

My questions are, how many of you clean the road after messing it up?
Is it legal for farmers to leave the roads in this state in Ireland?
Apart from legalities, do some farmers not have enough common decency and respect for their neighbors to clean up after themselves?

Yer past due sparksfly. March must be a tough month for you or something because you turn up here looking for a row around this time every year. It was something to do with subs last year. I know you know more than you let on and you know full well that this knucklehead is breaking the law. Contact the co. council and report him, look for the area engineer and the area foreman and speak to them directly. There are grey areas with it in terms of how long the muck can be there, you don't have to have someone brushing/ washing the road constantly while a job is ongoing once the warning signs are up, leaving a road in a mess overnight is a no-no regardless of whether the job is finished. I think you'd prefer to keyboard warrior it though and start a row here than to deal with the problem you have outside your own front door.

Greengrass1 · 15-03-2014 7:34am

Put up a photo so we can see how bad it is

frazzledhome · 15-03-2014 7:59am

Road sweeper here for loader. 3 days at slurry tis week and we brushed at lunch and at knocking off. Still one neighbour call to my door at 9 pm to complain last night.

I told her to call the Gards, I wonder is it me the OP is referring to! I will say some people leave roads in a state and they are an accident waiting to happen

micraX · 15-03-2014 9:36am

Does normal farm tractor insurance cover road sweeping or do you need different insurance like when hedgecutting along a road?
What does the op expect moving into a rural area?

grassroot1 · 15-03-2014 9:47am

Perhaps the op could move into a urban area and avoid muck on roads and muck savages, it would seem to be the logical solution.

td5man · 15-03-2014 10:30am

Had a similar situation here in the autumn, neighbour rang the council repeatedly to the point where the overseer said to me "you have great f*****g neighbours that roads not dirty".
The same neighbour has no problem ringing me when she wants something like using my field as a carpark for her birthday party, which she invited me to and uninvited me in the same breath.

I presume her food comes from a shop not a farm.

Sam Kade · 15-03-2014 10:47am

This is a bit like last years thread about someones lawn and house getting covered in lime.

There must be some mud on your road op when it ends up on your shoes and in your house, why don't you take off your shoes before entering your house? I know it's the farmers fault for leaving the mud on the road but you are exaggerating the story a bit too much.

Reggie. · 15-03-2014 10:48am

td5man wrote: »

Had a similar situation here in the autumn, neighbour rang the council repeatedly to the point where the overseer said to me "you have great f*****g neighbours that roads not dirty".
The same neighbour has no problem ringing me when she wants something like using my field as a carpark for her birthday party, which she invited me to and uninvited me in the same breath.

I presume her food comes from a shop not a farm.

Ya should have thrown out some slurry the day before

td5man · 15-03-2014 11:04am

Reggie. wrote: »

Ya should have thrown out some slurry the day before

Could happen yet dont tempt me. :-)

freedominacup · 15-03-2014 11:06am

Sam Kade wrote: »

This is a bit like last years thread about someones lawn and house getting covered in lime.

There must be some mud on your road op when it ends up on your shoes and in your house, why don't you take off your shoes before entering your house? I know it's the farmers fault for leaving the mud on the road but you are exaggerating the story a bit too much.

Sam any amount is too much and TBH I'm fed up with gobsh1tes breaking the law on this and getting away with it in some places when other areas are strictly policed. A brush for the loader is on the wishlist here but a tanker of water goes a long way on sorting it. It is extra time and effort but if you have it built into the day's work it's not that big a deal. Never mind the look of it or the direct effect on near neighbours it's very dangerous for passing traffic esp in frosty or muggy weather.

grassroot1 · 15-03-2014 11:13am

Mud on the road is something I try to clean up as much as is possible, my family use the road the same as everyone else. People moving to rural areas must accept that they live in a workplace with smells and noise and just because you have bought a site in the country don't think you can stop people going about their daily business.

sheebadog · 15-03-2014 11:16am

Was spreading dung here a few days before Xmas and one of the lads didn't close the back door properly - bloody war!! - cops at the door within minutes!!

Cops said the government provide good roads so keep them that way.
Ended up having to make a donation to the local public services.

Sam Kade · 15-03-2014 11:21am

sheebadog wrote: »

Was spreading dung here a few days before Xmas and one of the lads didn't close the back door properly - bloody war!! - cops at the door within minutes!!

Cops said the government provide good roads so keep them that way.
Ended up having to make a donation to the local public services.

Send that cop around here and I will show him what good roads the Government provide :mad:

mf240 · 15-03-2014 11:37am

I suppose your own sh1te doesn't stink at all.

That big auld mucksavage might buy your house off you if ya ask nicely. And you could buy a nice little house in town where there won't be anything upsetting you.

ford2600 · 15-03-2014 12:28pm

mf240 wrote: »

I suppose your own sh1te doesn't stink at all.

That big auld mucksavage might buy your house off you if ya ask nicely. And you could buy a nice little house in town where there won't be anything upsetting you.

In order to protect themselves from claims better to clean roads as much as is reasonable.

Roads Act 1993 leaves no room for manoeuvre.

Muck Savage and proud myself.

Greengrass1 · 15-03-2014 6:40pm

Reggie. wrote: »

Ya should have thrown out some slurry the day before

Or empty the sewage tank and put a dash out

biddy2013 · 15-03-2014 7:24pm

maybe the op is going a bit ott but if i came round a corner with my kids in the car onto muck and crap on the road i would be very annoyed. i alway clean up during and after if road is dirty also would have red cones warning of danger if an accident happened i could never forgive myself .As for the smart comments on here cop the fook on

gozunda · 15-03-2014 8:23pm

biddy2013 wrote: »

maybe the op is going a bit ott but if i came round a corner with my kids in the car onto muck and crap on the road i would be very annoyed. i alway clean up during and after if road is dirty also would have red cones warning of danger if an accident happened i could never forgive myself .As for the smart comments on here cop the fook on

^ agree this - we all live in the same country and use the same roads. The trouble about common sense is that it's not that common....

mf240 · 15-03-2014 8:29pm

biddy2013 wrote: »

maybe the op is going a bit ott but if i came round a corner with my kids in the car onto muck and crap on the road i would be very annoyed. i alway clean up during and after if road is dirty also would have red cones warning of danger if an accident happened i could never forgive myself .As for the smart comments on here cop the fook on

You shouldn't be speeding on back roads anyway as you never know what is around the corner.

A lad up the road spread dung before Christmas and there was a good bit of it on a bad bend.

Unbelievably the council came out and put up signs for him when he asked them. He did sweep the worst of it up but it was still pretty bad.

biddy2013 · 15-03-2014 8:41pm

mf240 wrote: »

You shouldn't be speeding on back roads anyway as you never know what is around the corner.

A lad up the road spread dung before Christmas and there was a good bit of it on a bad bend.

Unbelievably the council came out and put up signs for him when he asked them. He did sweep the worst of it up but it was still pretty bad.

who said anything about speeding hit the brakes on a bit of dung and where do you end up???? it goes back to basic manners, a few cones and clean up after yourself

Deepsouthwest · 15-03-2014 8:44pm

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Put up a photo so we can see how bad it is

+1 on that

td5man · 15-03-2014 9:30pm

biddy2013 wrote: »

who said anything about speeding hit the brakes on a bit of dung and where do you end up???? it goes back to basic manners, a few cones and clean up after yourself

I always clean the road here after I've been on the road it still doesn't stop some as#*o*es report ing to the council wasting their time and mine manners works both ways they could have came to me instead off reporting it first and all it did was make them look annoying .

biddy2013 · 15-03-2014 9:40pm

td5man wrote: »

I always clean the road here after I've been on the road it still doesn't stop some as#*o*es report ing to the council wasting their time and mine manners works both ways they could have came to me instead off reporting it first and all it did was make them look annoying .

yup i have similar too but at the same time for all the bad ones i have good ones.

Miname · 15-03-2014 9:41pm

whats the rules or does anyone know. i was spreading fym yesterday, there were 2 tractors drawing. i packed the dung and ran the teleporter bucket on the face of each load so as to avoid spills and kept the yard scraped as best as i could but there was still dirt being pulled out onto the roads at the entrances to the yard and the field. there was no major build up or anything but it was still dirty. an hour after finishing spreading the muck on the roads was dried and although had browned the tar was causing no issue.
Should i have been out with a road sweeper after every couple of loads once theres no major build i think its just part and parcel of living in the country.

td5man · 15-03-2014 10:48pm

biddy2013 wrote: »

yup i have similar too but at the same time for all the bad ones i have good ones.

Your lucky then .

keep going · 16-03-2014 1:09am

This thread reminded me of one of my little pet hates which is fellas who let their bales in the corner of the field and then draw them out one by one during the winter.its just bad organization shows a lack of thought for other people

Reggie. · 16-03-2014 7:40am

keep going wrote: »

This thread reminded me of one of my little pet hates which is fellas who let their bales in the corner of the field and then draw them out one by one during the winter.its just bad organization shows a lack of thought for other people

+1

I said · 16-03-2014 10:39am

keep going wrote: »

This thread reminded me of one of my little pet hates which is fellas who let their bales in the corner of the field and then draw them out one by one during the winter.its just bad organization shows a lack of thought for other people

Probably wouldn't be allowed out if they didn't have the spin for the bales.lol

eire 2012 · 16-03-2014 11:38am

Well whatever about muck on the road and the dangers of it I can't understand how farmers are able to get away with cutting ditches and leave the road littered with debris. One run of a sweeper would pick this debis up prob handier than muck which can get stuck to road surface very quick. I think it should be compulsorary for anyone cutting hedges to have a sweeper on front of tractor so they can clean up the mess they have made.

munkus · 16-03-2014 11:44am

eire 2012 wrote: »

Well whatever about muck on the road and the dangers of it I can't understand how farmers are able to get away with cutting ditches and leave the road littered with debris. One run of a sweeper would pick this debis up prob handier than muck which can get stuck to road surface very quick. I think it should be compulsorary for anyone cutting hedges to have a sweeper on front of tractor so they can clean up the mess they have made.

You've no problem with the council doing this on every road in Ireland, only the odd farmer?

eire 2012 · 16-03-2014 12:19pm

munkus wrote: »

You've no problem with the council doing this on every road in Ireland, only the odd farmer?

If the council are cutting hedges same should apply I don't really care who's cutting but the state of the roads after hedgecutting is ridiculous.Farmers may be cutting their side or top of the ditch but the debris still ends up on public road.Why should someone driving along a public road have to put up with this and who has to pay to get a puncture fixed after driving over this ,the owner of the vehicle when clearly the farmer/ council are responsible for leaving the road in a mess.

GERMAN ROCKS · 16-03-2014 12:26pm

eire 2012 wrote: »

If the council are cutting hedges same should apply I don't really care who's cutting but the state of the roads after hedgecutting is ridiculous.Farmers may be cutting their side or top of the ditch but the debris still ends up on public road.Why should someone driving along a public road have to put up with this and who has to pay to get a puncture fixed after driving over this ,the owner of the vehicle when clearly the farmer/ council are responsible for leaving the road in a mess.

maybe its better the farmers don't clip the ditches at all?

mf240 · 16-03-2014 12:36pm

GERMAN ROCKS wrote: »

maybe its better the farmers don't clip the ditches at all?

The council don't cut hardly andy ditches around here, most farmers cut them but if they don't then there just left go wild.

You've touched on an interesting point though, farmers are doing people a favour by trimming the ditches and yet people still aren't happy.

I said · 16-03-2014 1:10pm

Sure I could be living on an estate and have people leaving there bins outside the front door

Kovu · 16-03-2014 1:12pm

mf240 wrote: »

The council don't cut hardly andy ditches around here, most farmers cut them but if they don't then there just left go wild.

You've touched on an interesting point though, farmers are doing people a favour by trimming the ditches and yet people still aren't happy.

This. This right here.

We have a few other small farmers bordering us and as we live in ballygobackwards the council doesn't do our hedges. So every year the townland all chip in for a hedgecutter to get them trimmed down.
Three houses on the lane we're on are not farming families, every year it's like pulling hens teeth trying to get the hedgecutting share of money from them.
I know some years we just gave up asking them.

eire 2012 · 16-03-2014 1:44pm

The point is being missed this is not about who's paying for to get the ditches or a clap on the back for local farmers for cutting the ditches it's about the mess left afterwards surely something should be done about it. The contractor would have the road swept in no time,he would nearly have it swept if he was doing two passes on the ditch.Im not getting at farmers but someone needs to be responsible for the mess ie farmer/contractor or council.

ford2600 · 16-03-2014 1:49pm

eire 2012 wrote: »

The point is being missed this is not about who's paying for to get the ditches or a clap on the back for local farmers for cutting the ditches it's about the mess left afterwards surely something should be done about it. The contractor would have the road swept in no time,he would nearly have it swept if he was doing two passes on the ditch.Im not getting at farmers but someone needs to be responsible for the mess ie farmer/contractor or council.

Muck on road can and has caused deaths/serious accidents.

A few thorns causes a very occasional puncture.

I drive 40-50k km per year for 15 years and have never had a puncture, mostly rural driving.

I cycle 10k km per year, all rural and haven't had a thorn puncture in 6 years.

Reggie. · 16-03-2014 2:02pm

.Kovu. wrote: »

This. This right here.

We have a few other small farmers bordering us and as we live in ballygobackwards the council doesn't do our hedges. So every year the townland all chip in for a hedgecutter to get them trimmed down.
Three houses on the lane we're on are not farming families, every year it's like pulling hens teeth trying to get the hedgecutting share of money from them.
I know some years we just gave up asking them.

Just don't get the hedges cut around their houses

Kovu · 16-03-2014 2:06pm

Reggie. wrote: »

Just don't get the hedges cut around their houses

Not so much that but the fact that we live on a lane between two larger roads. So if we don't cut it, then it hinders us too.

Sam Kade · 16-03-2014 2:13pm

eire 2012 wrote: »

The point is being missed this is not about who's paying for to get the ditches or a clap on the back for local farmers for cutting the ditches it's about the mess left afterwards surely something should be done about it. The contractor would have the road swept in no time,he would nearly have it swept if he was doing two passes on the ditch.Im not getting at farmers but someone needs to be responsible for the mess ie farmer/contractor or council.

I would be more concerned about potholes than bits of twigs we have so many around here and the council seem to be gone into hibernation :mad:

freedominacup · 16-03-2014 2:15pm

.Kovu. wrote: »

Not so much that but the fact that we live on a lane between two larger roads. So if we don't cut it, then it hinders us too.

Is it only in Waterford that it's obligatory to cut your own road ditches?

moy83 · 16-03-2014 2:22pm

freedominacup wrote: »

Is it only in Waterford that it's obligatory to cut your own road ditches?

In fairness ye keep them well down there , its nice to see them kept so tidy .

Kovu · 16-03-2014 3:40pm

freedominacup wrote: »

Is it only in Waterford that it's obligatory to cut your own road ditches?

I don't know if it's obligatory but the only bit of land we have that is next to a road is part of the bit that all the neighbours chip in for.

Sheep breeder · 17-03-2014 1:10am

sheebadog wrote: »

Was spreading dung here a few days before Xmas and one of the lads didn't close the back door properly - bloody war!! - cops at the door within minutes!!

Cops said the government provide good roads so keep them that way.
Ended up having to make a donation to the local public services.

Spreading dung in the closed season and you let dung on the public road and you can see nothing wrong with it,what if one your family members come a long and crashed the car on this dung and was killed would you see any thing wrong then.

Reggie. · 17-03-2014 1:14am

Sheep breeder wrote: »

Spreading dung in the closed season and you let dung on the public road and you can see nothing wrong with it,what if one your family members come a long and crashed the car on this dung and was killed would you see any thing wrong then.

Sheebadog farms in a different country sheep breeder so the closed seasons maybe different

Trebob · 17-03-2014 1:34am

I drive a motorcycle now I know that most Irish people think we are all speed demons and maniacs and pretty much frown at us every time they see us when they are all wrapped up in there lovely cars texting and not really paying attention! Now besides all this and all the other dangers we have on our roads. This is by far the worst thing out there. The slurry and muck ect left by farmers on our roads is ridiculous and puts a lot of people's lives in danger cars, bikes cyclists all have to deal with this crap because some negligent inbred couldn't be bothered to clean up after themselves. It's a sorry state of affairs and if theses people had any decency they would sweep the road clean but decent seems to be gone these days. I've learnt that if I smell crap in the air I can garentee there'll be stuff all over the road that puts my life in danger. Clean up and we can all live happily ever after.

sheebadog · 17-03-2014 7:42am

Sheep breeder wrote: »

Spreading dung in the closed season and you let dung on the public road and you can see nothing wrong with it,what if one your family members come a long and crashed the car on this dung and was killed would you see any thing wrong then.

Not the closed season here and it wasn't like it was on the road all day.
24 ton muck spreader with back door open about a foot does leave a bit of a mess. It was operator error.

Muck on roads.

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