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Aongus Von Bismarck · 10-03-2014 01:09AM

Choochtown wrote: »

TV advertising for RTE costs about €20 per 1000 viewer for a 30 second advert.

The 6 o clock news pulls in about 750,000 viewers.

750 x 20 = €15,000.

€15,000 x 365= well over 5 million euro a year.

The Angelus which is exclusively Catholic is broadcast by the state broadcaster every evening at 6 o clock.

Just 1 example.

For God's sake! Don't be ridiculous! Its a programme! A service that the state broadcaster provides for the people, the vast majority of whom are Catholic, and most likely enjoy 30 secs to reflect on spiritual matters.

P_1 · 10-03-2014 01:10AM

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Now Fred, that's bordering slightly on the ridiculous. Perhaps you could argue that the church should pay the wages of religion teachers but most people do tend to rely on the state to teach their children to read, write, add, subtract, understand what an ox bow lake is and Newton's Laws...

J_E · 10-03-2014 01:11AM

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

For God's sake! Don't be ridiculous! Its a programme! A service that the state broadcaster provides for the people, the vast majority of whom are Catholic, and most likely enjoy 30 secs to reflect on spiritual matters.

You keep saying 'the vast majority', are you sure you're in the right country here? Or perhaps your definition of Catholic is different?

Aongus Von Bismarck · 10-03-2014 01:11AM

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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The teachers are employed by the state! The church kindly provide the infrastructure which they own to the state to educate the people, Catholics and Non-Catholics alike!

Aongus Von Bismarck · 10-03-2014 01:12AM

Cydoniac wrote: »

You keep saying 'the vast majority', are you sure you're in the right country here? Or perhaps your definition of Catholic is different?

I'm in Germany, but I'm Irish, and yes the vast majority (84%) self-identify as Catholics in Ireland.

Fred Swanson · 10-03-2014 01:12AM

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Aongus Von Bismarck · 10-03-2014 01:13AM

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Semantics.

Choochtown · 10-03-2014 01:14AM

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

For God's sake! Don't be ridiculous! Its a programme! A service that the state broadcaster provides for the people, the vast majority of whom are Catholic, and most likely enjoy 30 secs to reflect on spiritual matters.

Sorry just realised it's 60 seconds. So well over €10 million a year in free advertising for the Catholic Church paid for by all of us. Disgraceful.

Fred Swanson · 10-03-2014 01:15AM

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J_E · 10-03-2014 01:15AM

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

I'm in Germany, but I'm Irish, and yes the vast majority (84%) self-identify as Catholics in Ireland.

I wouldn't say 'self-identify' so much as comply with that census question, but we've already been over that. It is certainly not 84% in reality, declines in church attendance alone is a clear reflectance of this. I know you don't want to believe that though, so won't press the topic.

I Heart Internet · 10-03-2014 01:18AM

Choochtown wrote: »

Sorry just realised it's 60 seconds. So well over €10 million a year in free advertising for the Catholic Church paid for by all of us. Disgraceful.

Programming, not advertising.

And the boings are copyright of the RCC.

P_1 · 10-03-2014 01:18AM

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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That is something that does need to be changed in fairness. But like everything else the politicians will give it a kick that Leigh Halfpenny would be proud of.

Sadly it is a legacy issue from 19th century London ignoring Ireland. There was a need for somebody to step in to provide education and the religious orders were the ones to do so. It is high time that the orders were told 'thank you for stepping in when you did, however we can look after ourselves now' though.

I Heart Internet · 10-03-2014 01:20AM

Cydoniac wrote: »

Similarly look up 'iona payout', a very important, related and recent scandal.

How is a State Broadcaster having a conservative, risk-averse strategy to dealing with legal issues (ie settling out of court to save money) an example of the state giving advantages to the RCC?

Frankly, you're talking nonsense right there Cydoniac.

J_E · 10-03-2014 01:21AM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

How is a State Broadcaster having a conservative, risk-averse strategy to dealing with legal issues (ie settling out of court to save money) an example of the state giving advantages to the RCC?

Frankly, you're talking nonsense right there Cydoniac.

That was a poor attempt at trolling, even by my standards

Choochtown · 10-03-2014 01:24AM

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

I'm in Germany, but I'm Irish, and yes the vast majority (84%) self-identify as Catholics in Ireland.

Just to put your figures in perspective, just over 10% of Catholics in Ireland don't believe in God!!!

Here's the source: http://www.catholicbishops.ie/wp-content/uploads/images/stories/cco_publications/researchanddevelopment/evs_4th_wave_report.pdf

mrsbyrne · 10-03-2014 08:36AM

P_1 wrote: »

Well if you're not Irish (and I presume thus that you don't reside in Ireland) then what bit of difference do the opening hours of pubs in Ireland make to you?

Why on earth would you presume that because I'm not Irish, I don't live in Ireland?
Are only Irish people allowed to have an opi ion?
Two other catholic bashers on this thread are claiming to be oppressed and downtrodden by the Irish RCC while living abroad, why don't you ask them what their interest is in Good Friday opening hours?

mrsbyrne · 10-03-2014 08:50AM

Choochtown wrote: »

Sorry just realised it's 60 seconds. So well over €10 million a year in free advertising for the Catholic Church paid for by all of us. Disgraceful.

What part of the Angelus programme is advertising RCC?

Knight who says Meh · 10-03-2014 09:06AM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Yes they are.

No other group with opposing views to mine consider my views to be sinful, evil or offensive to a super being who may well decide to punish me in hell for an eternity.
Thats not exactly respectful.

Uriel. · 10-03-2014 09:09AM

Knight who says Meh wrote: »

No other group with opposing views to mine consider my views to be sinful, evil or offensive to a super being who may well decide to punish me in hell for an eternity.
Thats not exactly respectful.

Do they call around to you regularly to tell you that..?

Knight who says Meh · 10-03-2014 09:12AM

Uriel. wrote: »

Do they call around to you regularly to tell you that..?

No. Dont be silly.
The subject was if The RCC respect opposing views. As I was raised catholic and actually have read and studied the Bible I know The RCC attitude to opposing views.
Away and troll else where.

looksee · 10-03-2014 09:17AM

Knight who says Meh wrote: »

No. Dont be silly.
The subject was if The RCC respect opposing views. As I was raised catholic and actually have read and studied the Bible I know The RCC attitude to opposing views.
Away and troll else where.

What does the bible have to do with the RCC?

Uriel. · 10-03-2014 09:17AM

Knight who says Meh wrote: »

No. Dont be silly.
The subject was if The RCC respect opposing views. As I was raised catholic and actually have read and studied the Bible I know The RCC attitude to opposing views.
Away and troll else where.

You're very defensive. Do you normally jump to the "trolling" bull****ery so easily. Might be a bit early for you is it?

Define respect. What way has it gone out of its way to disrespect your views?

Knight who says Meh · 10-03-2014 09:23AM

Uriel. wrote: »

You're very defensive. Do you normally jump to the "trolling" bull****ery so easily. Might be a bit early for you is it?

Define respect. What way has it gone out of its way to disrespect your views?

Your post was daft and i took you to task on it.
The Church considers contraception, abortion, homosexuality, my unbaptised children, co habiting, sex before marriage, drunkenness for example as a sin.
Thats not respectful.
They have books, Sunday meet up, nut job Iona Institute/ Yuff Defense/ Pure at heart and TV slots dedicated to telling me so. I spent from birth to about age 17 being told the same.
Thats not respectful.

Akrasia · 10-03-2014 09:27AM

Jeremias Tender Cheese wrote: »

Because the vast majority attending the schools are catholic!

The vast majority of people who start school are illiterate

The point of a school is not to re-enforce the existing state of affairs, it is to educate people

For generations, education included indoctrination, I think this is wrong and I think children today ought to be taught science and critical thinking skills instead of stories about magic and miracles

Uriel. · 10-03-2014 09:29AM

Knight who says Meh wrote: »

Your post was daft and i took you to task on it.
The Church considers contraception, abortion, homosexuality, my unbaptised children, co habiting, sex before marriage, drunkenness for example as a sin.
Thats not respectful.
They have books, Sunday meet up, nut job Iona Institute/ Yuff Defense/ Pure at heart and TV slots dedicated to telling me so. I spent from birth to about age 17 being told the same.
Thats not respectful.

My post wasn't daft, but it is quite clear that you have some underlying problems, you're easily disrespected.

You basically named a litany of CC beliefs. And the fact that the CC has these beliefs at all is disrespectful to you? So presumably you don't have priests, nuns or laypeople calling around to you to share these beliefs? So your disrespected from a distance.

Seems you like the idea of being a victim.
I hope they stop kidnapping you Sundays and forcing you to sit through mass.

As a matter of interest when groups advocate lower welfare rates do you also feel disrespected?

How about when some says "x" film is the best film of the year? Do you feel disrespected because you thought "y" was better?

sillyoulfool · 10-03-2014 09:30AM

mrsbyrne wrote: »

What part of the Angelus programme is advertising RCC?

All parts, it is a uniquely Roman Catholic call to prayer played on RTE1 Radio at noon, and RTE 1 Television at 6pm.

Akrasia · 10-03-2014 09:32AM

catallus wrote: »

That is such an abrasively arrogant thing to say, that people who baptise their kids are just going through the motions.

Every baptism that I have been to has been for a child in a family that never goes to mass except for christenings, weddings, funerals conmmunions and confirmations and possibly christmas day.

There are no exceptions to this.

Some of these people are openly ambivalent about god, ie, they don't care about religion at all. Others think they have some kind of christian belief, but whenever I speak with them about it, they will disagree with every single catholic teaching that separates them from the other christian faiths, and when I talk to them about christian belief in general, they always retreat into the "I obviously don't believe that part, but I do believe in 'Something'"

The only people who I have ever met who will defend the actual doctrines of the catholic faith have been priests and nuns and the evangalists that sometimes call to the door, and they're just singing from the hymm-sheet

Akrasia · 10-03-2014 09:49AM

Ace2007 wrote: »

I would love to see people's view of being told that they will have to work Good Friday, St. Patrick's Day (Patron saint of Ireland), xmas Day and St. Stephens Day and any other religious days that we currently have off, and not get overtime.

Eh, so you're saying that if christianity wasn't here there would be no public holidays in Ireland. That Ireland would be the only country in the world to not have public holidays?

As it stands, Ireland has 28 statutory days off a year for a full time worker. 8 public holidays and 20 days annual leave.

This is amongst the lowest in the world. Other more secular countries have far more holidays than Ireland, french people for example get 36 days off a year (and a shorter working week)

Akrasia · 10-03-2014 09:58AM

Elmo wrote: »

Easter Changes each year. The Easter Rising took place between 24–29 April 1916.

IMO the whole Good Friday thing is blown out of proportion. It's one day of the year. Many people will drink in their homes on that day. A day when the pubs are closed each year isn't a bad thing IMO.

It's not just one day of the year, It's one of only 6 or 7 public holiday weekends in the year, it's also a time when a lot of tourists visit ireland and many of them are seriously annoyed when they arrive and are told that all the pubs are closed cause the catholics are taking a day off drink

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