I need feminism because...

iwantmydinner · 04-02-2014 10:17PM

Being convicted for carrying out an intimidating campaign of sexual harassment is more than enough to qualify someone for the sex offenders' register.

I don't see what your non-point has to do with feminism, though.

confusticated · 04-02-2014 10:25PM

"..his dream job, the dream job he always wanted, has now stopped."

And the women who joined the Gardaí who he harassed? Their dream job seems to not matter a damn.

iwantmydinner · 04-02-2014 10:36PM

I'm actually heartbroken for those women. Injustice heaped on top of injury.

B0jangles · 04-02-2014 10:40PM

Same Judge last march:

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/woman-beaten-by-boyfriend-challenges-judge-over-sentence-29156817.html

"Harkin had beaten her so badly he had left an imprint of his foot on her leg. The court heard he only stopped tormenting her during the Valentine's night 2010 attack when he took a break to take a drink of water. Ms Kerrigan was punched and kicked throughout her ordeal. Harkin, the court heard, had also tried to strangle her."

"I waited until the case was over and I did ask Judge O'Hagan about the sentence. He told me that he felt 240 hours community service was enough for the crime as well as Harkin doing two weeks in jail. I just couldn't have agreed with that after what happened."

The two weeks in jail happened while the defendant was waiting to come to trial, he served no time after conviction at all.

Edit: here's a longer article about the garda harrassment case with more details; it's pretty awful

http://www.donegaldaily.com/2014/02/03/donegal-garda-who-sexually-assaulted-colleague-fined-e10000/

iwantmydinner · 04-02-2014 10:58PM

That's depressing and oppressing reading, right there. That defence barrister's words have boiled my blood.

There's a long, long road ahead.

YumCha · 17-02-2014 09:43PM

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0217/504928-thomas-egan/

Some highlights:
- He did not believe the rape had "a profound psychological effect" on her
- "It strikes me that your victim is more interested in compensation rather than anything else,"

This is FROM THE JUDGE AFTER READING THE VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT

Also a bunch of bull from the defence lawyer implying that it was consensual because she didn't fight back.

I'm just done with people who don't believe that victim blaming or rape culture are real things. I need feminism for all of them who are undoubtably going to troll into this thread now.

17-02-2014 09:50PM

YumCha wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0217/504928-thomas-egan/

Some highlights:
- He did not believe the rape had "a profound psychological effect" on her
- "It strikes me that your victim is more interested in compensation rather than anything else,"

This is FROM THE JUDGE AFTER READING THE VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT

This kind of thing happening makes seeking justice a risk of further injustice, at the hands of the justice system, even if you manage to get a rape complaint as far as a conviction which is hard enough in itself.

Horrible that that judge can make comments like those, and see nothing wrong with it.

Jenneke87 · 18-02-2014 09:06AM

I guess that's gonna be the next phrase after"she was asking for it" "She's only looking for compensation, trying to bleed him dry this way." And people are still wondering why women won't press charges after being raped. It's utterly depressing.

Carlos Orange · 18-02-2014 01:52PM

YumCha wrote: »

This is FROM THE JUDGE AFTER READING THE VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT

Have you read the victim impact statement?

Jenneke87 · 18-02-2014 02:34PM

psinno wrote: »

Have you read the victim impact statement?

I don't think anyone ever will, unless she willingly releases it to the media but I doubt any rape victim will sit in court and say:"well, it didn't had that much of an impact on me, I feel fine really."

minalaury · 18-02-2014 03:16PM

I want to be valued for the diversity of qualities that make me human and not just for my mating potential!

Eeden · 18-02-2014 03:55PM

...When listening to 4fm news today, there was an item on the al-Hilli family shooting that happened in 2012 in France. A passing cyclist, and three people in the same family were shot and killed. The newsreader named the man, Saad al-Hilli, and added "and his wife and mother-in-law". No names for these women.

YumCha · 18-02-2014 10:17PM

I need feminism because I am sick of people who NEVER give victims who are sharing their lived experiences of sexual assault/rape the benefit of the doubt.

Regardless of whether they report it, don't report it, go to trial, or actually go through the hell of going to trial and get a conviction - there's ALWAYS someone who has to play the disbelieving devils advocate.

Victims should not have to 'convince' derailers. And the way victims are put through the wringer by the courtroom of the internet is a not very subtle hint to other victims out there about what will happen if you do come forward - which is just depressing considering our already crap conviction rate for rape in this country.

I could rant for ages about this, but this article sums it up nicely: Lived Experience Trumps Your Worldview Cobbled From TV, The Internet & Porn

GalwayGuy2 · 19-02-2014 10:31AM

I could rant for ages about this, but this article sums it up nicely: Lived Experience Trumps Your Worldview Cobbled From TV, The Internet & Porn

Hmmm, does that article say anything about lack of belief of rape victims or of low conviction of sex-crimes?

BonsaiKitten · 19-02-2014 10:48AM

Disagreeing with someone does not equal trolling.
And honestly I found that such an irritating, condescending article. It was one step away from using that childish 'male tears' crap.

Having said that, judge thinks victim only wanted compensation? Unbe****inglievable.

MadeMitch · 21-02-2014 05:40PM

I need feminism because as a genderqueer person who is now on testosterone; I've noticed just how differently people treat me based on whether I happen to be passing as male that day.

I'm the exact same person when I choose not to bind my breasts some days but I do notice that difference in treatment as soon as I stop passing as male. At times transitioning feels like a study of sexism.

Links234 · 22-02-2014 11:39PM

MadeMitch wrote: »

At times transitioning feels like a study of sexism.

Oh so very true! I couldn't relate any more unless that statement was a blood relative.

ne0ica · 23-02-2014 01:17AM

MadeMitch wrote: »

I need feminism because as a genderqueer person who is now on testosterone; I've noticed just how differently people treat me based on whether I happen to be passing as male that day.

I'm the exact same person when I choose not to bind my breasts some days but I do notice that difference in treatment as soon as I stop passing as male. At times transitioning feels like a study of sexism.

Could you expand on that. How do they treat you differently?

sszz · 23-02-2014 12:21PM

minalaury wrote: »

I want to be valued for the diversity of qualities that make me human and not just for my mating potential!

I don't care how people "value me". That's their business, I live my life how I want and don't worry what other people think of me.

Tigger99 · 23-02-2014 12:26PM

I'd imagine that ninalaury might be talking about dating and what is considered of value. Either way she felt enough about it to post, no need to be dismissive.

iwantmydinner · 23-02-2014 12:58PM

sszz wrote: »

I don't care how people "value me". That's their business, I live my life how I want and don't worry what other people think of me.

How people value other affects how they treat others.

YumCha · 25-02-2014 10:41PM

I'm trying to not read Jezebel as much these days, but this is heartbreaking:

http://jezebel.com/89-year-old-woman-victim-blamed-by-nursing-home-after-r-1530613351

(Cliff notes - nursing home staff say an 89 year old woman with dementia made up being raped, and that it was consensual because she 'was a flirt' even though her rapist admitted to it... oh and detained her in a mental health ward and didn't treat her injuries for 3 days after)

WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE?

bronte · 01-03-2014 10:22AM

Ugh.

Republican lawmaker apologises for disgusting comments.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/28/lawrence-lockman-rape-_n_4874586.html

"If a woman has [the right to an abortion], why shouldn’t a man be free to use his superior strength to force himself on a woman?" Lockman wrote. "At least the rapist’s pursuit of sexual freedom doesn’t [in most cases] result in anyone’s death."

How are these people in positions of power?

Legs.Eleven · 02-03-2014 07:51PM

bronte wrote: »

Ugh.

Republican lawmaker apologises for disgusting comments.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/28/lawrence-lockman-rape-_n_4874586.html

How are these people in positions of power?

HUh??

Dutchess · 06-03-2014 02:44PM

Hopefully that guy will not be in power for much longer. I wonder, in the last decades, did he ever worry about things he said pre-internet coming back to bite him in the ass?

metaoblivia · 06-03-2014 09:00PM

Because even in this day and age, things like this happen:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/todayinthesky/2014/03/06/female-westjet-pilot-slams-fliers-sexist-napkin-note/6124227/

(a passenger on an airplane left a note for the female pilot telling her that her role in life was to be a mother, not a pilot, and that he wished he was informed a woman was flying the plane before boarding so that he could have booked another flight)

GardenMadness · 09-03-2014 10:51AM

Dutchess wrote: »

Hopefully that guy will not be in power for much longer. I wonder, in the last decades, did he ever worry about things he said pre-internet coming back to bite him in the ass?

It's definitely proof that we don't need more women in positions of power anyway. The likes of that fella should be making decisions about womens' bodies and rights, no question of that.

Jenneke87 · 10-03-2014 06:41PM

GardenMadness wrote: »

It's definitely proof that we don't need more women in positions of power anyway. The likes of that fella should be making decisions about womens' bodies and rights, no question of that.

I can only hope you meant this in a sarcastic way. If not, I pity you.

GardenMadness · 11-03-2014 10:09AM

Right. There's something seriously wrong here. Of course I was being facetious, who could seriously say such a thing? I got a warning for it, too. Somehow, it's more acceptable, on a thread about feminism, to say that women looking for more public representation from women is man-hating (as was said earlier on the thread) than to say that this man is an example of why women need more representation where issues that intimately and personally concern women are being legislated for.

In my opinion, that really does show there's a serious problem.

eviltwin · 11-03-2014 10:24AM

GardenMadness wrote: »

Right. There's something seriously wrong here. Of course I was being facetious, who could seriously say such a thing? I got a warning for it, too. Somehow, it's more acceptable, on a thread about feminism, to say that women looking for more public representation from women is man-hating (as was said earlier on the thread) than to say that this man is an example of why women need more representation where issues that intimately and personally concern women are being legislated for.

In my opinion, that really does show there's a serious problem.

In fairness without a smilie its hard to know if you are being serious or not.

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