2014 Champion Hurdle

mdwexford · 16-02-2014 08:39PM

hucklebuck wrote: »

And it was all horse racing fans backing Kauto was it? People I know that have no interest in racing were backing Kauto in every King George and Gold Cup at that stage.

I find it hard to believe that anyone who saw Denmans RSA and Hennessy thought he could be beaten by anything in Cheltenham, never mind a jockey that knows his onions.

So it was mug money that made the 11 length King George winner and defending Gold Cup winner fav and everyone who had a clue knew Denman would win?

Such tripe, I certainly though Kauto would win that day as I imagine Nicholls and Ruby did.

mulbot · 16-02-2014 08:43PM

mdwexford wrote: »

He wouldnt maintain a serious enough gallop to get the main Champion Hurdle horses off his tail without going out like a light two out anyway imo.

u must have missed the 2012 champion hurdle- that scenario happened

mulbot · 16-02-2014 08:47PM

RichieLawlor wrote: »

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vVzJ0kq0Vd0

Basically says **** the punters

thats it yea,pure arrogant

mdwexford · 16-02-2014 08:47PM

mulbot wrote: »

u must have missed the 2012 champion hurdle- that scenario happened

You just compare races from years ago and different tracks for sport eh.

Holding off Overturn and HF (who the race didn't suit) is a bit different to holding off MTOY, Our Conor and TNO.

Not to mention Rock On Ruby had course form and Grade 1 form.

Whatever you go on thinking UDS beating some nags has any bearing on how he can run in a Champion Hurdle.

RichieLawlor · 16-02-2014 08:53PM

mdwexford wrote: »

You just compare races from years ago and different tracks for sport eh.

Holding off Overturn and HF (who the race didn't suit) is a bit different to holding off MTOY, Our Conor and TNO.

Not to mention Rock On Ruby had course form and Grade 1 form.

Whatever you go on thinking UDS beating some nags has any bearing on how he can run in a Champion Hurdle.

Rock on Ruby didn't make all the running anyway so his point is irrelevant

mulbot · 16-02-2014 08:55PM

mdwexford wrote: »

You just compare races from years ago and different tracks for sport eh.

Holding off Overturn and HF (who the race didn't suit) is a bit different to holding off MTOY, Our Conor and TNO.

Whatever you go on thinking UDS beating some nags has any bearing on how he can run in a Champion Hurdle.

ur just missin my point completely-it doesn't look from what we've seen that he will just bottom out if he front runs,and lookin at the 2012 is an example of what a front runner can do-MTOY wud be left struggling along with HF if that happened

RichieLawlor · 16-02-2014 08:57PM

mulbot wrote: »

ur just missin my point completely-it doesn't look from what we've seen that he will just bottom out if he front runs,and lookin at the 2012 is an example of what a front runner can do-MTOY wud be left struggling along with HF if that happened

He couldn't go fast for MTOY I think

NaiveMelodies · 16-02-2014 08:58PM

RichieLawlor wrote: »

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vVzJ0kq0Vd0

Basically says **** the punters

Thats gas, he can't possibly believe the punter doesn't make any contribution to his income.

Hulk Hands · 16-02-2014 08:59PM

mulbot wrote: »

ur just missin my point completely-it doesn't look from what we've seen that he will just bottom out if he front runs,and lookin at the 2012 is an example of what a front runner can do-MTOY wud be left struggling along with HF if that happened

MTOY would literally be the last horse in the race that would be struggling off a strong pace.

Now that UDS is out i've gone off MTOY who I was warming to and i'm starting to think HF can win, but the price will have to be right (4's +), to add to my 10's on Our Conor. Think UDS not running is a negative for both English horses, doesn't look to be much pace in there

mulbot · 16-02-2014 09:02PM

Hulk Hands wrote: »

MTOY would literally be the last horse in the race that would be struggling off a strong pace.

Now that UDS is out i've gone off MTOY who I was warming to and i'm starting to think HF can win, but the price will have to be right (4's +), to add to my 10's on Our Conor. Think UDS not running is a negative for both English horses, doesn't look to be much pace in there

do ya think in last years supreme if champagne fever had gone even quicker MTOY wou have won?

RichieLawlor · 16-02-2014 09:05PM

mulbot wrote: »

do ya think in last years supreme if champagne fever had gone even quicker MTOY wou have won?

You are failing to understand

RichieLawlor · 16-02-2014 09:08PM

mulbot wrote: »

do ya think in last years supreme if champagne fever had gone even quicker MTOY wou have won?

But the answer to this is yes! Ruby kept enough to out battle MTOY, had he gone harder early McCoy would have sailed past him. Fantastic ride by Ruby

mulbot · 16-02-2014 09:10PM

RichieLawlor wrote: »

You are failing to understand

i await

Hulk Hands · 16-02-2014 09:12PM

mulbot wrote: »

do ya think in last years supreme if champagne fever had gone even quicker MTOY wou have won?

Possibly but i'm not sure you understand the reasons why. MTOY pulls hard and doesn't settle well early in a race, thus expending energy. He did this early in the supreme as they weren't going quick enough for him. Off a strong pace, he'd travel better and not needlessly expend energy pulling, meaning he'll have more energy late in a race. Same with Jezki to an extent. I'm not sure if he'd have ever had got past the tough Champagne Fever, but had he not pulled early in the race he'd have had a better chance certainly

RichieLawlor · 16-02-2014 09:13PM

mulbot wrote: »

i await

MTOY is a keen going sort, they literally couldn't go fast enough for him. It would help him settle and thus conserve energy for later. He has an enormously high cruising speed

mulbot · 16-02-2014 09:23PM

RichieLawlor wrote: »

MTOY is a keen going sort, they literally couldn't go fast enough for him. It would help him settle and thus conserve energy for later. He has an enormously high cruising speed

fair enough,i was just lookin again at last year supreme and ruby did set off at a fair clip,MTOY was cruisin,but just didnt finf the turn of foot-cud same thing happen here

RichieLawlor · 16-02-2014 09:26PM

mulbot wrote: »

fair enough,i was just lookin again at last year supreme and ruby did set off at a fair clip,MTOY was cruisin,but just didnt finf the turn of foot-cud same thing happen here

It could. I personally don't think he will be in the first 3 but that just my opinion, but like I said, the faster the better for him.

mulbot · 16-02-2014 09:30PM

RichieLawlor wrote: »

It could. I personally don't think he will be in the first 3 but that just my opinion, but like I said, the faster the better for him.

im hoping:),tryin to rule out all the threats to OC:)

RichieLawlor · 16-02-2014 09:38PM

mulbot wrote: »

im hoping:),tryin to rule out all the threats to OC:)

Our Conor will be 2nd or 3rd

mulbot · 16-02-2014 09:39PM

RichieLawlor wrote: »

Our Conor will be 2nd or 3rd

to who?

hucklebuck · 16-02-2014 09:41PM

This whole UDS thing is ****ing bizarre, as owners why would you go along with a decision not to send a live Champion Hurdle contender to the festival.

As someone stated you could throw in any number of this years novices along with the current crop of last years novices and only a mug would write off Hurricane Fly lining up next year on the basis of his age.

The race yesterday was odd with the ground being a bog and Ruby riding, paired with Mullins statement today, while it is disappointing that he possibly won't line up, I would not be surprised if he did line up given the norm for mixed messages.

If I was the owner I would send the horse to another yard rather than wait and hope he is sound as a 7 year old.

Soft Falling Rain · 16-02-2014 09:47PM

Sticking with HF, Ruby has always banged on about this horse having a massive run in him at Cheltenham...and I'd just love to see him slam the opposition. Though even if he did I'm sure some on here will still find a reason to dismiss his performance.

hucklebuck · 16-02-2014 09:48PM

ft9 wrote: »

Hopefully Richie has come to terms with this now and can move on.
Irrelevant arguement anyway, UDS was never going the CH.

Never happen he is always right even when he is spectacularly wrong.

hucklebuck · 16-02-2014 09:50PM

RichieLawlor wrote: »

Lol. Ruby said. Suppose that's it then.

RichieLawlor wrote: »

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vVzJ0kq0Vd0

Basically says **** the punters

This is really funny, do you believe Ruby or not?:

RichieLawlor · 16-02-2014 09:50PM

mulbot wrote: »

to who?

The New One

RichieLawlor · 16-02-2014 09:52PM

hucklebuck wrote: »

Never happen he is always right even when he is spectacularly wrong.

You should lose your posting rights after your embarrassing Denman/Kauto ramble earlier.

hucklebuck wrote: »

This is really funny, do you believe Ruby or not?:

Ruby Walsh is not a nice person

jimjamcos · 16-02-2014 09:54PM

hucklebuck wrote: »

This whole UDS thing is ****ing bizarre, as owners why would you go along with a decision not to send a live Champion Hurdle contender to the festival.

As someone stated you could throw in any number of this years novices along with the current crop of last years novices and only a mug would write off Hurricane Fly lining up next year on the basis of his age.

The race yesterday was odd with the ground being a bog and Ruby riding, paired with Mullins statement today, while it is disappointing that he possibly won't line up, I would not be surprised if he did line up given the norm for mixed messages.

If I was the owner I would send the horse to another yard rather than wait and hope he is sound as a 7 year old.

Have you watched The Sunday Forum? Just watching it here and at the point where it shows Mullins interview post-race yesterday. It was beyond strange. He was hemin and hawin talking jibberish about ratings and stones and even took a few seconds to calculate what UDS needed to find. Had all the looks of a man trying to convince himself!

Not a hope of him turning up, sadly.

mulbot · 16-02-2014 09:55PM

hucklebuck wrote: »

This whole UDS thing is ****ing bizarre, as owners why would you go along with a decision not to send a live Champion Hurdle contender to the festival.

As someone stated you could throw in any number of this years novices along with the current crop of last years novices and only a mug would write off Hurricane Fly lining up next year on the basis of his age.

The race yesterday was odd with the ground being a bog and Ruby riding, paired with Mullins statement today, while it is disappointing that he possibly won't line up, I would not be surprised if he did line up given the norm for mixed messages.

If I was the owner I would send the horse to another yard rather than wait and hope he is sound as a 7 year old.

yea,goin back to 2005 i remember the neighbours horse( mullins trained) was entered in both the gold cup and world hurdle(he was versatile-had won at the 2004 festival in a chase,but also the french champion HURDLE),he won the hennessey in 05,the family wanted obviously to go for the gold cup but were told at the start of the week if that was gonna happen they had to find another trainer!!went on to finish third in the hurdle race,

jimjamcos · 16-02-2014 09:57PM

Soft Falling Rain wrote: »

Sticking with HF, Ruby has always banged on about this horse having a massive run in him at Cheltenham...and I'd just love to see him slam the opposition. Though even if he did I'm sure some on here will still find a reason to dismiss his performance.

Can't see that run coming at this stage in his life.

RichieLawlor · 16-02-2014 09:57PM

mulbot wrote: »

yea,goin back to 2005 i remember the neighbours horse( mullins trained) was entered in both the gold cup and world hurdle(he was versatile-had won at the 2004 festival in a chase,but also the french champion HURDLE),he won the hennessey in 05,the family wanted obviously to go for the gold cup but were told at the start of the week if that was gonna happen they had to find another trainer!!went on to finish third in the hurdle race,

Think I backed Rule Supreme that year

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