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Friend was mugged in Dublin City Centre

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  • #92
    The Aussie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭The Aussie


    Lenin Skynard wrote: »
    Bit of street smarts go a long way. You can't walk around any major city in the world waving a €600 phone around, Dublin is tame in comparison to most places.

    My sister got mugged when she was living in Dublin in 2004, she was walking down the road and some Scumbag (I don't care if you want to call them addicts, work away, just sounds like an excuse for Scumbag behaviour) anywho didn't the Scumbag drag her down the road by her Handbag about 5m because her arm was tangled in the strap, ended up with a dislocated Shoulder and skin off her, but I suppose it was her fault for having a Job and a handbag right???

    Street Smarts = LOL@U


  • #93
    timetogo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 990 ✭✭✭timetogo


    jank wrote: »
    Is it really that bad in Dublin City Centre? Sydney and Melbourne you see people with their smart phones all the time on the streets talking/tapping away.

    It seems common on Boards for somebody to post something bad and then for somebody else to post "sure it happens in other places too". It's kind of a defeatist attitude implying there's not much we can do. I'm sure it happens in other places too. That doesn't mean we should do nothing. Although I don't know what to do about it. The Gardai seem powerless.

    I've lived abroad too and travel constantly. Dublin does seem to have a higher percentage of scumbag type people than many other cities. It may be that Dublin is smaller so in bigger cities there are areas you know where to stay away from.


  • #94
    jank
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭jank


    Cydoniac wrote: »
    You haven't a clue about addictions. I would suggest you not yap on about something you really don't understand fully. That's in a nice way, I don't want you to embarrass yourself.

    Shoot yourself up with some heroin and then stop taking it, sure it's dead easy to come off it, everyone should be trying it right?

    Eh but WTF? Most people don't inject themselves with heroin or smoke crack because they know the danger it posses in terms of addiction. Here is a tip, don't use heroin. Full ****ing Stop. If you do then that is ones own personal choice but don't go off making excuses after the fact that you are ****ed up, need a hit and have to go rob some poor smuck off their phone which they paid for out of their own pocket to pay some scumbag for a hit that you then then inject into your own penis…. Jesus christ, does anyone take responsibility for their own actions anymore or does everyone just blame others but themselves. I see these ****ers all the time in Oz, ****ed off their heads and costing the state a fortune. Only the other day I found a needle by a couch that was left there for weekly furniture collection. There is a school and a park across the road. Any kid could have picked that up and picked up some permanent disease. There is a reason why society looks down on junkies, they have opted out of society as we know it and don't care about the consequences of their actions.


  • #95
    Boombastic
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    The Aussie wrote: »
    My sister got mugged when she was living in Dublin in 2004, she was walking down the road and some Scumbag (I don't care if you want to call them addicts, work away, just sounds like an excuse for Scumbag behaviour) anywho didn't the Scumbag drag her down the road by her Handbag about 5m because her arm was tangled in the strap, ended up with a dislocated Shoulder and skin off her, but I suppose it was her fault for having a Job and a handbag right???

    Street Smarts = LOL@U

    They probably won't believe you and will accuse you of trying to boast that your sister is so tough. :rolleyes: the loveable rogues of scummers would never do such a thing


  • #96
    Hilly Bill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,051 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    hfallada wrote: »
    OP most Dubliners know you never use your phone on the street. Wait until your are on a bus or indoors.

    The robberies in Dublin are not from scumbags. But heroin addicts who are just feeding their addiction. We have had Governments who have ignored the massive heroin problem in Dublin since the 1980s. There is hardly any detox beds in Dublin and most heroin users are in and out of prison. There is no opportunity for them to have a normal life. I havent heard any public official acknowledge any social issues found in Dublin, which you have to be seriously blind not to see

    There is the different between someone is scumbag and someone who is so addicted to heroin. That they will do literally anything for it

    There was a gang of young scumbags not addicts got caught a while back. They had them on cctv snatching them in the city centre and mugging someone on the boardwalk in the evening. CCTV also showed them selling the phones in a few shops for €50.


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  • #97
    jank
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    timetogo wrote: »
    It seems common on Boards for somebody to post something bad and then for somebody else to post "sure it happens in other places too". It's kind of a defeatist attitude implying there's not much we can do. I'm sure it happens in other places too. That doesn't mean we should do nothing. Although I don't know what to do about it. The Gardai seem powerless.

    I've lived abroad too and travel constantly. Dublin does seem to have a higher percentage of scumbag type people than many other cities. It may be that Dublin is smaller so in bigger cities there are areas you know where to stay away from.

    Ah look I know full well there are places in the world that are very unsafe where it is unwise to flash about personal belongings. I have been to many of them. But to put Dublin up there with them is crazy, at least I hope so. I hope it hasn't gotten that bad and if it has something should be done about it. One should be able to walk down the main street of the Irish capital and talk on their phone without fear of some scrut stealing it off them.


  • #98
    moc moc a moc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,299 ✭✭✭moc moc a moc


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    "Oh I'm better than them because I only got addicted to alcohol, where as they got addicted to heroin! hahaha, the silly fools!"

    I bet he's never mugged someone for beer money.


  • #99
    pickarooney
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,093 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    When i was in Prague the first thing our Tour Guide told us was:

    Don't go acting like a tourist.

    Nothing ironic in that...


  • #100
    crockholm
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    jank wrote: »
    Ah look I know full well there are places in the world that are very unsafe where it is unwise to flash about personal belongings. I have been to many of them. But to put Dublin up there with them is crazy, at least I hope so. I hope it hasn't gotten that bad and if it has something should be done about it. One should be able to walk down the main street of the Irish capital and talk on their phone without fear of some scrut stealing it off them.

    Agree for the most part,but as we are discussing a mid sized western european city should we not have more aspirations rather than saying "we are safer than moghadishu or Detroit".

    People from other european countries do come away with a less than favourable opinion of dublin because through whatever design,the shytheads seem to be corralled in our city centre.And then we wonder why people can't use their phone there for fear of being robbed.

    Lots of people here on boards are quite vociferous about how our country has moved past many of it's negative stereotypes,isn't it about time that our capital city moved on too?


  • #101
    Zillah
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    jank wrote: »
    Is it really that bad in Dublin City Centre?

    Nope. Sure there is crime. It's a big city. It's no worse than anywhere else. Contrary to some of the more reactionary posters here you can walk around with a phone out and not be in any real danger of having it stolen.


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  • #102
    TwoShedsJackson
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    This thread certainly scores high on the AH right wing reactionary scale:

    1) One incident of a person having their phone robbed means no-one can make a phone call on the streets of Dublin. Smartphones are small, valuable, and easily sold/traded. Use some cop on.

    2) Fascist punishment/revenge fantasies dressed up as 'justice'

    3) Desire for our justice system to be replaced with that of a repressive medieval theocracy, where such justice has of course led to a zero crime rate, in much the same way that in countries where there is capital punishment, no-one is ever murdered.


  • #103
    tricky D
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    Don't forget the dehumanising language. Makes it feel much better up on the old horse.


  • #104
    TwoShedsJackson
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    tricky D wrote: »
    Don't forget the dehumanising language. Makes it feel much better up on the old horse.

    Oh yes, forgot the usual 'vermin' references.


  • #105
    zetalambda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 822 ✭✭✭zetalambda


    Zillah wrote: »
    Nope. Sure there is crime. It's a big city. It's no worse than anywhere else. Contrary to some of the more reactionary posters here you can walk around with a phone out and not be in any real danger of having it stolen.

    Huh? Are you referring to some other Dublin cause Dublin, Ireland is a small city. It's only "big" in one context, that being an Irish context, which means nothing. Not sure if you've visited any actual big cities but you can happily stroll around central New York or central London on your smart phone confident that it wont be snatched off you by some junkie scumbag.


  • #106
    Stavros Murphy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭Stavros Murphy


    tricky D wrote: »
    Don't forget the dehumanising language. Makes it feel much better up on the old horse.

    Umm, we're discussing muggers. Not the SVP. I for one welcome the de-humanising language, and it's brethren, name-calling and threats of physical injury.

    All good when it comes to them. I'd go so far as to suggest a good boot in the cobblers was too good for them, but that might be a bridge too far.

    My own personal solution, which I somehow can't see becoming official policy, is for big toe amputation if convicted of mugging. Nothing nasty, general anaesthetic, nice surgeon, the whole shebang. Might slow the fcukers down next time they're about to have it away on their, errr, toes.


  • #107
    Femme_Fatale
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    God, a lot of delicate little souls here. If you think Dublin is a borderline war-zone, you'd better hope hard that fate never lands you in Johannesburg, Port Au Prince, Mexico City, Rio De Janeiro, Bogota, and the numerous others.

    I'm not saying that makes scummy behaviour in Dublin "ok" - and the heroin problem even shocks people from New York/Chicago/Washington DC (not because it's higher, but because of its visibility and the way it's so poorly policed) but hyperbole does not make for a valid argument.


  • #108
    AtomicHorror
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    Kaizersoze81 wrote: »
    Stop making excuses for them. Anyone who snatches a phone from someone's hand is a scumbag. The fact they're addicted to heroin makes no difference.

    Failing to acknowledge an underlying cause- or even be allowed to suggest it- gets us nowhere. If we chalk it down to the nature of people, and characterise any effort to look deeper as "excuses" then the only option open to us is to just lock em all up. And then lock em up again when they do it again. And again and again. You're paying for all of those prison stays.

    Maybe they're bad people, but maybe they'd be less likely to express that if we just got them off the ****ing heroin. Maybe we'd all be better off in the long run getting past our disgust for people and just solving some problems.


  • #109
    Stavros Murphy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭Stavros Murphy


    What about giving them unlimited free hash? Not a hope they'd be able to whip up the enthusiasm to go out robbing phones then. Win-Win. Increased sales of Rizlas and snacks would also give the economy a boost. Very humane solution.


  • #110
    osarusan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,855 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    Femme_Fatale wrote: »
    hyperbole does not make for a valid argument.
    But what if it's my only argument?


  • #111
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    AtomicHorror wrote: »
    Failing to acknowledge an underlying cause- or even be allowed to suggest it- gets us nowhere. If we chalk it down to the nature of people, and characterise any effort to look deeper as "excuses" then the only option open to us is to just lock em all up. And then lock em up again when they do it again. And again and again. You're paying for all of those prison stays.

    Maybe they're bad people, but maybe they'd be less likely to express that if we just got them off the ****ing heroin. Maybe we'd all be better off in the long run getting past our disgust for people and just solving some problems.

    Work would make them free


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  • #112
    Stavros Murphy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭Stavros Murphy


    Boombastic wrote: »
    Work would make them free

    Nah, see.


  • #113
    AtomicHorror
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭AtomicHorror


    Boombastic wrote: »
    Work would make them free

    Work would make a heroin addict free? How would that work?


  • #114
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    AtomicHorror wrote: »
    Work would make a heroin addict free? How would that work?

    I'll look for a case study now and see how they got on ;)


    Edit: It seems it was very successful in ridding them of their heroin addiction


  • #115
    TwoShedsJackson
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    AtomicHorror wrote: »
    Work would make a heroin addict free? How would that work?

    It's a hilarious Auschwitz reference.


  • #116
    RahenyD5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 96 ✭✭RahenyD5


    Aren't the drug clinics being in the city centre a problem? If these were moved elsewhere then this could keep the smackheads away from O'Connell Street?

    Also with the council housing being close by would attract skangers to O'Connell St, like flies to a lightbulb, for the burger places, buses & Dr Quirkeys also hassling/mugging locals and tourists.

    A short while ago, I was passing by some council houses on Summerhill towards the North Circular Rd, I saw a mam screaming and swearing at her young kids and she seemed pretty tanked up & out of it, appeared very thin & malnourished likely from drugs & booze.

    A sad state of affairs for some parts of Dublin.


  • #117
    AtomicHorror
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭AtomicHorror


    TwoShedsJackson wrote: »
    It's a hilarious Auschwitz reference.

    The holocaust is a comedy goldmine I've always thought.

    I got the Auschwitz thing, but still puzzled at the point.
    Boombastic wrote: »
    I'll look for a case study now and see how they got on ;)


    Edit: It seems it was very successful in ridding them of their heroin addiction

    Sorry for being such a dry ****e about this genocide themed banter, but spell it out for me here. Are you suggesting imprisonment, forced labour, mass execution, or some combination of these? Are you trying to shock the bleeding hearts or taking a dig at the the other side?


  • #118
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    AtomicHorror wrote: »
    The holocaust is a comedy goldmine I've always thought.

    I got the Auschwitz thing, but still puzzled at the point.



    Sorry for being such a dry ****e about this genocide themed banter, but spell it out for me here. Are you suggesting imprisonment, forced labour, mass execution, or some combination of these? Are you trying to shock the bleeding hearts or taking a dig at the the other side?


    Work never did anyone any harm
    Tell us, it's your solution? Hand them out new tracksuits and follow them around making excuses for them?


  • #119
    iForgetMyPW
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭iForgetMyPW


    zetalambda wrote: »
    H you can happily stroll around central New York or central London on your smart phone confident that it wont be snatched off you by some junkie scumbag.

    You really are talking out of your arse ain't you, walk around New York at night and you will soon change your tune.


  • #120
    zetalambda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 822 ✭✭✭zetalambda


    iForgetMyPW wrote: »
    You really are talking out of your arse ain't you, walk around New York at night and you will soon change your tune.

    I lived in upper Manhattan for two and a half years and never had my phone or anything else stolen from me between there and Midtown at any time of the day. Your just upset that I said Dublin was small. :P Obviously there are no go areas but I'm talking about the main thoroughfares. For example the theater district, times square, etc.


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  • #121
    iForgetMyPW
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭iForgetMyPW


    zetalambda wrote: »
    I lived in upper Manhattan for two and a half years and never had my phone or anything else stolen from me between there and Midtown at any time of the day. Your just upset that I said Dublin was small.

    I have been in Dublin for 7 years and I have never been mugged and I know that Dublin is small I'm from Ohio.


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