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Friend was mugged in Dublin City Centre

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  • #32
    wonderfullife
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    Kaizersoze81 wrote: »
    Boo -f#$king- who

    And what about the people who worked hard to save up the money to buy the phone. But no, let's have sympathy for the junkies who are "forced" to mug people. Bleeding hearts like yourself are what is wrong with this country.
    Anyone who mugs someone for their phone is a scumbag. End of story. If they're addicted to heroin let them get treatment in a methadone clinic for that.Stop apologising for scumbags.

    Assuming they work, of course. Maybe they are on benefits. But that's a whole other issue that'll descend into similar chaos and age-old arguments.

    I think the word "scumbag" has lost all meaning from when i was a teenager (1990s). Back then i used to associate that word with proper headers who'd cut you open for looking at them the wrong way.

    Nowadays seemingly anybody who commits any crime whatsoever is a "scumbag". I don't really agree with that. I've seen a respectable looking woman rob a pack of Duracell AA's in a pound shop i worked in many moons ago. She's not a scumbag in my eyes. Thief, yes, scumbag, no.

    As for heroin addicts, when/if heaven forbid you are hooked on heroin , come back and preach that line about "nobody forcing them". I only personally have ever known 1 guy who got messed up with heroin and he'd have robbed his granny of her last penny and trust me in his head it wasn't a choice.


  • #33
    J_E
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    stefan idiot jones wrote: »
    Two wrongs don't make a right, but they make you feel a whole lot better.

    If it makes one vermin stop and think otherwise then it justifies it.

    The death penalty that was reintroduced in some US states hasn't cut violent crime, but at least those who are in death row then the injection cannot re offend like so many of this pond life excuse for humans.
    Fortunately you will never be in such a position to decide these things! Although I heard the Order of Chivalry are recruiting.


  • #34
    Skylinehead
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    stefan idiot jones wrote: »
    Two wrongs don't make a right, but they make you feel a whole lot better.

    If it makes one vermin stop and think otherwise then it justifies it.

    The death penalty that was reintroduced in some US states hasn't cut violent crime, but at least those who are in death row then the injection cannot re offend like so many of this pond life excuse for humans.

    Those people on death row would be serving full life sentences if there was no death penalty, so they couldn't re-offend regardless. It's not a very good argument for the death penalty.


  • #35
    ozmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,902 ✭✭✭ozmo


    Cydoniac wrote: »
    Issue with that though is if it's found (and shops will checkmend a phone and report it if it is marked stolen which does reunite it with users sometimes) it can't be used.

    Yeah-There would need be a password or something to unbrick it-
    The new iphone 5's have improved it a bit- if you have set up findmyi on it - you cannot remove the password even by completly reseting and reformatting it- you need your itunes password to make it go away.

    “Roll it back”



  • #36
    Kaizersoze81
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    TheShizz wrote: »
    Personally I'd rather be a "bleeding heart" than an ignorant arsehole who doesn't understand addiction nor the effect it has on people, but that's just me.

    So you're saying that somebody who is addicted to heroin has no choice in the matter, that they are compelled to violently mug people of their hard earned phones? Have you heard of methadone clinics? Of course they have a choice. I hope you're never the victim of a mugging by a poor innocent heroin addict who has been "let down by society". You might change your tune then. Anyone who violently deprives somebody of their personal property = scum. And you can make all the excuses you like for them.


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  • #37
    Ken.
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    stefan idiot jones wrote: »
    Saudi Arabian style deterrents.

    Chop their hands off in public.

    Make the other scumbags think again.

    Vermin.
    Don't be dotin, They'd only love to lose a hand. Disability benefits for life.


  • #38
    wil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,188 ✭✭✭wil


    Thought this was an old thread so yes it's pretty common, know a few people it's happened to.

    Problem is so many people openly show off their expensive phone with eyes glued to it while they walk so they are easy targets.

    Think of it as cash and see if you'd do the same with €400 held in front of your nose while walking around city centre. That's pretty much how the mucs see it.


  • #39
    J_E
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    Kaizersoze81 wrote: »
    So you're saying that somebody who is addicted to heroin has no choice in the matter, that they are compelled to violently mug people of their hard earned phones? Have you heard of methadone clinics? Of course they have a choice. I hope you're never the victim of a mugging by a poor innocent heroin addict who has been "let down by society". You might change your tune then. Anyone who violently deprives somebody of their personal property = scum. And you can make all the excuses you like for them.
    You haven't a clue about addictions. I would suggest you not yap on about something you really don't understand fully. That's in a nice way, I don't want you to embarrass yourself.

    Shoot yourself up with some heroin and then stop taking it, sure it's dead easy to come off it, everyone should be trying it right?


  • #40
    stefan idiot jones
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    Skylinehead wrote: »
    Those people on death row would be serving full life sentences if there was no death penalty, so they couldn't re-offend regardless. It's not a very good argument for the death penalty.

    Couldn't care less for any junkies.

    It's called Life Choices.

    I'm forty two, and even in the seventies and eighties we all knew that heroin was a big no no.

    Nothing has changed. We still know that heroin is the road to disaster, there us no funny stories, no opening of the conscious mind, no enlightenment that some other drugs 'advertise'.

    Only stupid bastards use heroin.

    No good will come of it, ever. So I have zero sympathy for anyone involved in that muck.

    It's a choice to take heroin like it's a choice to watch the tele or read a book.

    Stupid people make stupid choices.


  • #41
    TheShizz
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    Kaizersoze81 wrote: »
    So you're saying that somebody who is addicted to heroin has no choice in the matter, that they are compelled to violently mug people of their hard earned phones? Have you heard of methadone clinics? Of course they have a choice. I hope you're never the victim of a mugging by a poor innocent heroin addict who has been "let down by society". You might change your tune then. Anyone who violently deprives somebody of their personal property = scum. And you can make all the excuses you like for them.

    Shut up mate your 18th-century attitude to modern-day issues are a little boring.

    User banned.

    Mod.


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  • #42
    stefan idiot jones
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    Cydoniac wrote: »
    You haven't a clue about addictions. I would suggest you not yap on about something you really don't understand fully. That's in a nice way, I don't want you to embarrass yourself.

    Shoot yourself up with some heroin and then stop taking it, sure it's dead easy to come off it, everyone should be trying it right?

    I know a bit about addictions as I was an alcoholic.

    Society, culture, puberty all steered my young self to have my first beer. But heroin? Never. I had and still have at least one brain cell and some morals and standards.


  • #43
    wonderfullife
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    johnnyskeleton wrote: »
    Was this pre-1997 or in another country? Because GBH is not an offence in Ireland and hasn't been for some time. Plus, it is doubtful if he was defending himself he would be prosecuted.

    So I call bull on your sensationalist comment.

    This is one of my pet hates and im guilty of doing it myself....

    But you know what he meant!! Most people don't go reading up on the Irish Statute books to get their terminology correct!

    People still refer to "slander" when it's defamation. GBH when it's assault etc.

    If you know what a person means, that's all there is to it. Nobody cares if the terminology is correct.


  • #44
    J_E
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    stefan idiot jones wrote: »
    I know a bit about addictions as I was an alcoholic.

    Society, culture, puberty all steered my young self to have my first beer    . But heroin? Never. I had and still have at least one brain cell and some morals and standards.
    And now you know what drives other people towards heroin, or any other substance that leads to addiction.


  • #45
    Boombastic
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    Cydoniac wrote: »
    And now you know what drives other people towards heroin, or any other substance that leads to addiction.

    Threads on ah? :pac:


  • #46
    stefan idiot jones
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    Cydoniac wrote: »
    And now you know what drives other people towards heroin, or any other substance that leads to addiction.

    Leads to addiction? That's what I don't get.

    I was addicted to something, I didn't 'climb the ladder' to the next addiction.

    You sure don't understand addiction.

    They 'chose' to take heroin.


  • #47
    Boombastic
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    stefan idiot jones wrote: »
    Leads to addiction? That's what I don't get.

    I was addicted to something, I didn't 'climb the ladder' to the next addiction.

    You sure don't understand addiction.

    They 'chose' to take heroin.

    The poor little scummers probably had a bad childhood. People who take heroin, although stupid are not necessarily scumbags, but people who rob others are


  • #48
    B.A._Baracus
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    Sadly, stealing mobile phones is a quick way for a scumbag to make money.

    Was with my girlfriend when she got her mobile phone unlocked a few months ago in one of the Chinese phone shops on Moore street. In comes this scumbag (looking at him you know what he was let alone talking) saying he bought this iphone from his friend and it was user-locked or some crap. Never owned an iphone personally so perhaps someone on here reading knows what. But que Chinese chap behind the counter simply say "nope, cannot help you" ... Good on him. It was clearly a stolen phone.


    But lets be honest. While this Store owner was alright. I reckon the scumbag didnt have to go far in order to get it unlocked knowing the amount of phone shops on Moore Street.


  • #49
    Kaizersoze81
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    Cydoniac wrote: »
    You haven't a clue about addictions. I would suggest you not yap on about something you really don't understand fully. That's in a nice way, I don't want you to embarrass yourself.

    Shoot yourself up with some heroin and then stop taking it, sure it's dead easy to come off it, everyone should be trying it right?

    One word. Methadone.


  • #50
    shruikan2553
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    Cydoniac wrote: »
    And now you know what drives other people towards heroin, or any other substance that leads to addiction.

    Alcohol tends to be a bit safer than heroin. Many people can start drinking like any other person and gets worse. Heroin tends to be a bad decision from the start.

    If someone decides to mug others to fund their addiction I find it difficult to feel sorry for them.


  • #51
    Míshásta
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 634 ✭✭✭Míshásta


    hfallada wrote: »
    OP most Dubliners know you never use your phone on the street. Wait until your are on a bus or indoors.

    I'm pretty sure the last time I was in the Pale a large proportion of the people on the street had a mobile glued to their ear - same as any other town in Ireland. Don't know if they were the more expensive models though.


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  • #52
    wonderfullife
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    stefan idiot jones wrote: »
    Couldn't care less for any junkies.

    It's called Life Choices.

    I'm forty two, and even in the seventies and eighties we all knew that heroin was a big no no.

    Nothing has changed. We still know that heroin is the road to disaster, there us no funny stories, no opening of the conscious mind, no enlightenment that some other drugs 'advertise'.

    Only stupid bastards use heroin    .

    No good will come of it, ever. So I have zero sympathy for anyone involved in that muck.

    It's a choice to take heroin like it's a choice to watch the tele or read a book.

    Stupid people make stupid choices.
    If one of your family got cancer from smoking would you have the same attitude? Doubt it. If you do, then you're either lying or have zero empathy.

    People know smoking is bad. So, by proxy, your argument is that they are all stupid bastards deserving of no sympathy if/when they get sick from it.

    If you want to take it a step further, people with poor diets (high in salt, butter, fats) who develop health problems ...all stupid bastards? Obese people? Stupid bastards? We all know a bad diet is the road to nowhere so i guess no sympathy for them if/when they get sick?

    How about alcohol related illnesses in 30 years from now? And i'm not talking about alcoholics. I'm talking about a whole generation of binge drinkers, including myself, who went out once/twice a week and got absolutely smashed in our late teens and early 20s. No sympathy for them/us when we eventually pay the price for that in later life?

    Point is simple - you can pick any number of things in life which are plainly bad for people and say you've no sympathy for them when it goes tits up - because they made their choice. That's certainly one approach to take and you're entitled to it.

    Nobody comes out of the womb with the 1st conscious thought being - you know what, when i'm older i'm gonna get hooked on cigarettes, alcohol, cocaine, heroin, salty foods, fatty foods.......

    It's life. Some of us are predisposed (or more at risk) of developing addictive problems and some of us are more likely to make bad choices by virtue of our upbringings and who we befriend in school.

    I don't think anybody who has problems is a stupid bastard for getting themselves into the situation. I'd prefer to focus on how i can try help them out of it.


  • #53
    zetalambda
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    I just hope this drug never turns up in Ireland. Seems to be a lot worse than Heroin.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwylBRucU7w


  • #54
    stefan idiot jones
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    I agree, there are plenty of pot holes in life that we may fall down or trip over. Drinking, eating, smoking etc.

    But to dive head first from a high board into heroin. Fcuk 'em.


  • #55
    Boombastic
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    wonderfullife wrote: »
    If one of your family got cancer from smoking would you have the same attitude? Doubt it. If you do, then you're either lying or have zero empathy.

    People know smoking is bad. So, by proxy, your argument is that they are all stupid bastards deserving of no sympathy if/when they get sick from it.

    If you want to take it a step further, people with poor diets (high in salt, butter, fats) who develop health problems ...all stupid bastards? Obese people? Stupid bastards? We all know a bad diet is the road to nowhere so i guess no sympathy for them if/when they get sick?

    How about alcohol related illnesses in 30 years from now? And i'm not talking about alcoholics. I'm talking about a whole generation of binge drinkers, including myself, who went out once/twice a week and got absolutely smashed in our late teens and early 20s. No sympathy for them/us when we eventually pay the price for that in later life?

    Point is simple - you can pick any number of things in life which are plainly bad for people and say you've no sympathy for them when it goes tits up - because they made their choice. That's certainly one approach to take and you're entitled to it.

    Nobody comes out of the womb with the 1st conscious thought being - you know what, when i'm older i'm gonna get hooked on cigarettes, alcohol, cocaine, heroin, salty foods, fatty foods.......

    It's life. Some of us are predisposed (or more at risk) of developing addictive problems and some of us are more likely to make bad choices by virtue of our upbringings and who we befriend in school.

    I don't think anybody who has problems is a stupid bastard for getting themselves into the situation. I'd prefer to focus on how i can try help them out of it.


    Other factors in our environment contribute to the rates of cancer. I know people who have never smoked and got cancer.

    Binge drinkers and obese people, yes the are stupid people making stupid choices and have reduced sympathy from me unless they have a medical reason or are after having a baby or something and are eating and exercising properly- and don't give me that crap that the problems are glandular


    An obese person has yet to rob me for a pizza


  • #56
    Lenin Skynard
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    This personal responsibility thing extends outside of heroin addicts to people with expensive phones too. If you walk around a built-up city waving around a €600 phone, you shouldn't be outraged if you become a victim of petty crime.

    The same people who whinge about taxes are the same people who'll harp on about personal responsibility. Should we pay extra taxes to police petty crime or should we expect adults to actually act grown-up and keep their valuables protected?

    We don't live in Disneyland and we probably never will.


  • #57
    TheShizz
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    Lenin Skynard wrote: »
    We don't live in Disneyland and we probably never will.

    Quite a few giant Mickeys in this thread but.


  • #58
    stefan idiot jones
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    Boombastic wrote: »


    An obese person has yet to rob me for a pizza

    They would if they could outrun you.


  • #59
    wonderfullife
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    Boombastic wrote: »
    Other factors in our environment contribute to the rates of cancer. I know people who have never smoked and got cancer.

    Binge drinkers and obese people, yes the are stupid people making stupid choices and have reduced sympathy from me unless they have a medical reason or are after having a baby or something and are eating and exercising properly- and don't give me that crap that the problems are glandular


    An obese person has yet to rob me for a pizza

    and i know a 92 year old who still smokes and hasn't got cancer (yet).

    That's not the point. There's plenty of evidence that it is bad for you. Very bad!

    The good thing is - obese people, binge drinkers (most of the irish adult population from 16-40 has binge drinked in their life), etc don't want your sympathy so you're safe up there on your horse. Weather must be nice up there.

    Anyway the point he made was not about heroin addicts who rob people it was about heroin addicts full stop.


  • #60
    Boombastic
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    stefan idiot jones wrote: »
    They would if they could outrun you.

    I've had a knife held to my throat by a lovely lad on smack who was barely able to stand, let alone out run me


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  • #61
    Kaizersoze81
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    TheShizz wrote: »
    Quite a few giant Mickeys in this thread but.

    What do you mean by that?

    You're just annoyed because the vast majority of posters disagree with your crazy liberal views. You've more sympathy for the junkies mugging people than the actual victims. It's societies fault of course.


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