Iona vs Panti

Cabaal · 13-02-2014 09:51AM

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/church-moving-towards-acceptance-of-gay-people-says-buttimer-1.1689449

The Catholic Church may be moving to a stage where gay people are no longer treated as “second-class citizens”, Fine Gael TD Jerry Buttimer has said.

Mr Buttimer, who is gay, said during a debate in Trinity College Dublin on the future of the Catholic Church that the church had signalled a change of direction since Pope Benedict XVI stepped down a year ago this week to be replaced by Pope Francis.

People falling for the PR bull**** from the Vatican I see, nothing has changed when it comes to the church's view.

They still view gay people as lower forms of human and they'll still have this view in a few years time,

Cabaal · 13-02-2014 09:55AM

Lou.m wrote: »

What worries me is we are STILL having the EXACT same ****ing questions / debates now!

Feck thats scary,

Very little has changed when you look back to the 1970's....except being gay is now legal in this country but you can still be sacked from a school/hospital for being gay.

The anti-gay people still use the same sort of language though,

Oh and finally we can hear that once again the catholic church isn't very open to change or information and the protestant church is, no surprise there.

Annasopra · 13-02-2014 10:08AM

Cabaal wrote: »

Feck thats scary,

Very little has changed when you look back to the 1970's....except being gay is now legal in this country but you can still be sacked from a school/hospital for being gay.

The anti-gay people still use the same sort of language though,

Oh and finally we can hear that once again the catholic church isn't very open to change or information and the protestant church is, no surprise there.

The anti gay people have COMPLETELY changed the language they use. Have you never seen the late late show discussing gay issues and the guest launched into a rant about back passages.

Also saying very little has changed ignores reality. We have decriminalisation, incitement to hatred legislation, equality legislation, civil partnership legislation, huge confident lgbtq marches for pride and marriage. There have been MASSIVE changes in 40 years.

Annasopra · 13-02-2014 10:14AM

Cabaal wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/church-moving-towards-acceptance-of-gay-people-says-buttimer-1.1689449

People falling for the PR bull**** from the Vatican I see, nothing has changed when it comes to the church's view.

They still view gay people as lower forms of human and they'll still have this view in a few years time,

As far as I know Jerry Buttimer is a practicing Catholic.

Ash.J.Williams · 13-02-2014 10:18AM

i've actually forgotten where i found this link....apologies if it was here!

http://twentytwowords.com/dallas-sportscasters-shocking-response-to-michael-sam-coming-out-as-gay

Ash.J.Williams · 13-02-2014 10:27AM

heard this today ( a chat between a colleague and his da)and found it funny!

father: "so are you on team panti"
son: I am , are you?
father: I am, he's a mayo man, you look after your own.

Bannasidhe · 13-02-2014 10:44AM

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

heard this today ( a chat between a colleague and his da)and found it funny!

father: "so are you on team panti"
son: I am , are you?
father: I am, he's a mayo man, you look after your own.

My 81 year old used to be incredibly homophobic father has announced he is behind Panti *titter* all the way because 'Danny Le Rue was a Cork man and feck all them bullies it takes balls to wear those frocks like.'

Zillah · 13-02-2014 12:11PM

Cabaal wrote: »

People falling for the PR bull**** from the Vatican I see, nothing has changed when it comes to the church's view.

They still view gay people as lower forms of human and they'll still have this view in a few years time,

The very fact that they are even feeling the need to moderate the strength of their horrible language means the tide is turning. They're adapting now as they have throughout history. You don't survive 2000 years without learning to bend against the storm. The Vatican is a survivor. It will adapt to social trends - slowly, reluctantly - or face its own irrelevance. It always has.

Qs · 13-02-2014 12:28PM

Irish Times online editor Hugh Linehan is joined by IT columnist and Iona Institute patron Breda O’Brien to discuss the harrowing fallout from the homophobia hoo hah.

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2014/02/12/a-victim-speaks/?fb_action_ids=10152660703178009&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=[1423546771216722]&action_type_map=[%22og.likes%22]&action_ref_map

Zubeneschamali · 13-02-2014 12:36PM

Zillah wrote: »

The Vatican is a survivor. It will adapt to social trends - slowly, reluctantly - or face its own irrelevance. It always has.

Hang on a minute, weren't you the one arguing strenuously that the Church is not a democracy and doesn't have to bend to lay people's beliefs a short while ago?

But now you say it'll adapt to social trends? How is that different from changing in response to what lay people believe?

Happyman42 · 13-02-2014 12:36PM

:D

Shirley Temple Bar wrote:

I feel bad for Breda O'Brien. Not because of her tears but because she throws red herrings about like she's working in a Soviet fishmongers.

Bannasidhe · 13-02-2014 12:42PM

Qs wrote: »

Irish Times online editor Hugh Linehan is joined by IT columnist and Iona Institute patron Breda O’Brien to discuss the harrowing fallout from the homophobia hoo hah.

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2014/02/12/a-victim-speaks/?fb_action_ids=10152660703178009&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=[1423546771216722]&action_type_map=[%22og.likes%22]&action_ref_map

They really really need to stop talking now.

Zubeneschamali · 13-02-2014 12:44PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

They really really need to stop talking now.

I think Iona should be on the news every night, they are the best spokesmen the Yes campaign could wish for.

lazygal · 13-02-2014 12:44PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

They really really need to stop talking now.

I disagree. All sorts of people have been apprised of the no to equality/yes to cash settlements brigade thanks to Panti and Iona.

PopePalpatine · 13-02-2014 12:44PM

It's like the Ionanists are walking all over bits of Lego right now, and they can't find the door. :pac:

Qs · 13-02-2014 12:44PM

That poor women, her students no longer respect her because she is an awful person and now they know that. That's unfair, that's discrimination.

Bannasidhe · 13-02-2014 12:49PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

I think Iona should be on the news every night, they are the best spokemen the Yes campaign could wish for.

lazygal wrote: »

I disagree. All sorts of people have been apprised of the no to equality/yes to cash settlements brigade thanks to Panti and Iona.

Sorry - I mean to say :

If they had any sense they would stop talking now.

Personally I am highly amused by their determination to keep digging.

lazygal · 13-02-2014 12:49PM

Qs wrote: »

That poor women, her students no longer respect her because she is an awful person and now they know that. That's unfair, that's discrimination.

The easy solution is to stop spewing bile about the common good, whatever that is, and how gay people need to be deprived of equality for that. But I for one support her right to spew bile. It's doing the yes to mmarriage equality side good.

Qs · 13-02-2014 12:57PM

She can spew her bile all day long as far as I'm concerned. It just because a bit annoying when she starts claiming she's the victim of discrimination because people disagree with her.

Zillah · 13-02-2014 01:33PM

Qs wrote: »

Irish Times online editor Hugh Linehan is joined by IT columnist and Iona Institute patron Breda O’Brien to discuss the harrowing fallout from the homophobia hoo hah.

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2014/02/12/a-victim-speaks/?fb_action_ids=10152660703178009&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=[1423546771216722]&action_type_map=[%22og.likes%22]&action_ref_map

Eugh. It is extraordinary that even now, after all the flak and attention aimed at her, she still cannot stop ranting about adoption and surrogacy when asked about gay marriage. I had a little sympathy for her at the start but she really lost me. Every sentence is so articulate, yet the overall meaning is completely incoherent.

Zubeneschamali: I've responded to you in the other thread.

aloyisious · 13-02-2014 01:46PM

It's her insistence that Marriage of all kinds is irrevocably linked to Children (the Roman Catholic Church position on marriage - if a marriage is NOT consumnated, then it is not a marriage) that's the cause and effect of any loss of popularity she feel's she's sufering. As for her alleged loss of right to publicly debate the topic of "gay" marriage, that claim is stood on it's head by her actual access to debate it, through written and oral media sources, incl the Iona Institute PR releases.

And the bit about adapted children not being given the right to their identity, that's rubbished by the RC Church's agents (priests and nuns) denying adapted children access to documents which would reveal that information, and lying to the children by telling them there is no such information available.

When the interviewer start's to point out the gap in her "sadness" about unmarried teachers being dismissed because they had children outside marriage, ie; that still actually happens, she say's "can we get back to the item under discussion". I have only one word for all she say's during the interview, it start's with H.......... but end's in E, as it also includes the letters PO.

So she differ's with John Water's in opinion, now that's something to quote back at her, like JW's spoken record on "gay" marriage and "gay" adaoption.

My thank's to Qs for the I/T's link. I didn't know the I/Times provided the service.

Doctor DooM · 13-02-2014 02:11PM

aloyisious wrote: »

When the interviewer start's to point out the gap in her "sadness" about unmarried teachers being dismissed because they had children outside marriage, ie; that still actually happens, she say's "can we get back to the item under discussion". I have only one word for all she say's during the interview, it start's with H.......... but end's in E, as it also includes the letters PO.

For a second I genuinely thought you were calling her a hippo.

Which is a bit unfair to them as I'm rather fond of hippos.

Bannasidhe · 13-02-2014 02:50PM

Doctor DooM wrote: »

For a second I genuinely thought you were calling her a hippo.

Which is a bit unfair to them as I'm rather fond of hippos.

Hippos are incredibly dangerous and vicious when they feel threatened so quite apt really.

ravendude · 13-02-2014 02:56PM

Qs wrote: »

Irish Times online editor Hugh Linehan is joined by IT columnist and Iona Institute patron Breda O’Brien to discuss the harrowing fallout from the homophobia hoo hah.

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2014/02/12/a-victim-speaks/?fb_action_ids=10152660703178009&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=[1423546771216722]&action_type_map=[%22og.likes%22]&action_ref_map

Oh the crocodile tears.

Doctor DooM · 13-02-2014 02:58PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Hippos are incredibly dangerous and vicious when they feel threatened so quite apt really.

Now see that's just the libril agenda's CENSORING of the honest common sense about hippos, which of course just happens to match my opinion.

Zillah · 13-02-2014 03:13PM

Stop calling her a hippo you juveniles, we have so much to criticise her about, why resort to name calling when we have so much real ammo?

Penn · 13-02-2014 03:43PM

http://irishcatholic.ie/article/%E2%80%98chattering-class%E2%80%99-and-its-enemies

David Quinn basically b*tching about not being able to go on telly and express his views as a guest without it being part of a debate where both sides are represented.

lazygal · 13-02-2014 03:45PM

Penn wrote: »

http://irishcatholic.ie/article/%E2%80%98chattering-class%E2%80%99-and-its-enemies

David Quinn basically b*tching about not being able to go on telly and express his views as a guest without it being part of a debate where both sides are represented.

He should go on Fox News. It's fair and balanced in the way he likes it.

Anyone else totally not bored of the Panti that keeps on giving?

Ash.J.Williams · 13-02-2014 03:48PM

Penn wrote: »

http://irishcatholic.ie/article/%E2%80%98chattering-class%E2%80%99-and-its-enemies

David Quinn basically b*tching about not being able to go on telly and express his views as a guest without it being part of a debate where both sides are represented.

i got as far as "tom o'gorman" then stopped!

lazygal · 13-02-2014 03:49PM

His comments about Marie Fleming's husband are repulsive.

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