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  • #1172
    jt65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 572 ✭✭✭jt65


    simx wrote: »
    Rang couple of factories yesterday for cows best was
    R grade 3.30 or 3.40 for heavy rs
    Os 3.00
    Ps 2.80


    got 3.10 for heavy o's last week


  • #1173
    Insp. Harry Callahan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 214 ✭✭Insp. Harry Callahan


    I have some O grade freisian and black steers possibly some P grade in these aswell, anyone know what price being paid for these at the mo?. Prob be 300kg dead weight


  • #1174
    Farmer Pudsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,326 ✭✭✭Farmer Pudsey


    rancher wrote: »
    When I had sucklers and beefing everything, The heifers would be 350 kg R3/R4 at 20 mths and the bullocks 400kg R3/R4 at 22mths (end of retention) so it is possible to produce in spec from sucklers.
    Before you ask, wouldn't be sure of the economics

    If you averaged a 95% calves finished to cows held at a stocking rate of 1 unit/HA this would give you a turn over of about 1500/HA. happy days:confused::(


  • #1175
    Base price
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    stand on!! wrote: »
    Not a bad price for fresian bulls at all
    Big difference from a few months ago - €4 and €3.80 then.


  • #1176
    just do it
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,422 ✭✭✭just do it


    This thread should be split in two, the second one being "beef price angst".

    To say farmers haven't been told is rich in my opinion. It's up to farmers to do the market research. The journal have being on about this for a few years including an excellent article in last week's edition. Article was written in conjunction with bord bia. I don't go to many events but the one I was at in ennis had agents from both dawn and aibp (I think) telling us what the market wants. Blue did a good report on here about it the following day.

    (I might just disappear now that I've kicked the bee hive)


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  • #1177
    joejobrien
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 470 ✭✭joejobrien


    jt65 wrote: »
    got 3.10 for heavy o's last week
    Same again here 3.10 heavy cows
    Talking with factory agent rumours of 2.90 on cards :mad:


  • #1178
    rancher
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,142 ✭✭✭rancher


    Farmer Pudsey wrote: »
    If you averaged a 95% calves finished to cows held at a stocking rate of 1 unit/HA this would give you a turn over of about 1500/HA. happy days:confused::(
    Would've had 4 ewes and I cow/ ha at the time. M6 motrway f....d up my farm since


  • #1179
    hugo29
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭hugo29


    just do it wrote: »
    This thread should be split in two, the second one being "beef price angst".

    To say farmers haven't been told is rich in my opinion. It's up to farmers to do the market research. The journal have being on about this for a few years including an excellent article in last week's edition. Article was written in conjunction with bord bia. I don't go to many events but the one I was at in ennis had agents from both dawn and aibp (I think) telling us what the market wants. Blue did a good report on here about it the following day.

    (I might just disappear now that I've kicked the bee hive)

    Fair play to you JDI


  • #1180
    just do it
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,422 ✭✭✭just do it


    I heard of a lad who sold well fed weanings at 10/11mo in the mart. The buyer had them slaughtered the following morning! Maybe there's a market?


  • #1181
    tim04750
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    just do it wrote: »
    This thread should be split in two, the second one being "beef price angst".

    To say farmers haven't been told is rich in my opinion. It's up to farmers to do the market research. The journal have being on about this for a few years including an excellent article in last week's edition. Article was written in conjunction with bord bia. I don't go to many events but the one I was at in ennis had agents from both dawn and aibp (I think) telling us what the market wants. Blue did a good report on here about it the following day.

    (I might just disappear now that I've kicked the bee hive)

    What utter bull****e, nobody but nobody foretold this sorry state of affairs , yes finishers were aware carcass weights were becoming an issue but neither factories local to me had any issue whatsoever with carcasses up to 450 till october, nobody was warning suckler farmers that under 16 month continental bulls were going to be hard shifted and even then you'll take a ****e price , oh and remind me again what fountain of wisdom warned that uk prices would surge ahead and we could drop the kaks and bend over - traditionally about 10 cent/kg differential now closer to 1 euro.
    Market research ? How, pray tell do you accomplish market research in a market where the goal posts keep moving .
    Your wisdom is after the fact , stick it.


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  • #1182
    just do it
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,422 ✭✭✭just do it


    Good man Tim, you'll get plenty thanks for that reply.

    However I heard the message loud and clear from 2 agents from different beef groups at a packed Ennis mart at least 18 months ago that whilst there is a market for bull beef it has a limit. Now you oversupply any market and guess what happens.

    They also stated quiet clearly the supermarkets are looking more and more for smaller cuts to fit off-the-shelf trays i.e. smaller carcases. Also went on about <16mo.

    I'm just repeating here what I heard then. The recession has brought changes to alot of product. For instance smaller whole chickens are being preferred to high value poultry cuts. That is a very integrated industry and responded.

    The one thing that struck me that night in Ennis is the joy most farmers took from hearing the two factory agents getting a right ribbing in the other ring (a series of speakers rotated between the 2 rings). Seemingly the agents hardly got a chance to talk as farmers competed to get their dig in. Why did these lads go along? To hear their own voice or to hear from their customers?


  • #1183
    just do it
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    rancher wrote: »
    Would've had 4 ewes and I cow/ ha at the time. M6 motrway f....d up my farm since
    Ah rancher, that motorway was built in the good times. Surely you got an underpass for your cow and 4 sheep?;)


  • #1184
    just do it
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,422 ✭✭✭just do it


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=80511908


  • #1185
    rancher
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,142 ✭✭✭rancher


    just do it wrote: »
    Ah rancher, that motorway was built in the good times. Surely you got an underpass for your cow and 4 sheep?;)
    underpasses like gold dust up here, they wouldn't even give them to dairy farmers


  • #1186
    mf240
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭mf240


    Jdi as you know I enjoy your posts, but something I'm struggling with, You pointed out that the whole bull thing was widely flagged and that it's farmers own fault, (rancher seems to agree) so if the factories are not to blame then why the protest? my opinion is pr and photo ops.


  • #1187
    rancher
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,142 ✭✭✭rancher


    just do it wrote: »
    Ah rancher, that motorway was built in the good times. Surely you got an underpass for your cow and 4 sheep?;)

    Underpasses were like gold dust up here, even the dairy farmers couldn't get them


  • #1188
    joejobrien
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 470 ✭✭joejobrien


    Everything is getting f...kin hammered not just bulls!
    There is only one buyer :mad: in this country!!!


  • #1189
    rancher
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,142 ✭✭✭rancher


    mf240 wrote: »
    Jdi as you know I enjoy your posts, but something I'm struggling with, You pointed out that the whole bull thing was widely flagged and that it's farmers own fault, (rancher seems to agree) so if the factories are not to blame then why the protest? my opinion is pr and photo ops.

    Pressure from members, very frustrating being told that we're afraid of them not collecting the levy and we're afraid to take them on.
    Even though I told meetings many times over the last year regarding bulls and weight, I still had to represent the members on Tues night and tell kepak and Dunbia that they didn't flag it well enough.
    We're getting hammered on this issue


  • #1190
    Base price
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    rancher wrote: »
    Pressure from members, very frustrating being told that we're afraid of them not collecting the levy and we're afraid to take them on.
    Even though I told meetings many times over the last year regarding bulls and weight, I still had to represent the members on Tues night and tell kepak and Dunbia that they didn't flag it well enough
    It really is a funny old world.
    OH brought bulls to a factory for a neighbour in late Nov. Manager happened to be there when they were been unloaded and was very impressed with these continental bulls, asked OH if the farmer had more, which he did have but they were not fit. Manger asked OH would farmer be willing to sell them as they were looking for quality bulls for their own (factory) feed lot.
    I wonder how many bulls does Kepak/Dunbia etc have munching away in their own feedlots at present?


  • #1191
    tim04750
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    just do it wrote: »
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=80511908

    Give over.


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  • #1192
    mf240
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭mf240


    Fair enough rancher

    Anyway back on topic will under 16 month bulls be in demand or are all bulls a waste of time?


  • #1193
    rancher
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,142 ✭✭✭rancher


    mf240 wrote: »
    Fair enough rancher

    Anyway back on topic will under 16 month bulls be in demand or are all bulls a waste of time?

    Kepak said !!!!! they have limited markets they need young bulls for and to talk to them before commiting. Dunbia don't seem to want them at all


  • #1194
    rancher
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,142 ✭✭✭rancher


    Base price wrote: »
    It really is a funny old world.
    OH brought bulls to a factory for a neighbour in late Nov. Manager happened to be there when they were been unloaded and was very impressed with these continental bulls, asked OH if the farmer had more, which he did have but they were not fit. Manger asked OH would farmer be willing to sell them as they were looking for quality bulls for their own (factory) feed lot.
    I wonder how many bulls does Kepak/Dunbia etc have munching away in their own feedlots at present?

    Might be for KK club markets have to be fed a special diet.
    They must be looked after very well, any of them that I asked to go on Wednesday said they were happy with Kepak and wouldn't go


  • #1195
    restive
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭restive


    Ear To The Ground, tonight Darragh is to ask "is the beef industry worth saving"?


  • #1196
    Base price
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    rancher wrote: »
    Might be for KK club markets have to be fed a special diet.
    They must be looked after very well, any of them that I asked to go on Wednesday said they were happy with Kepak and wouldn't go
    I understand what you mean re the KK club, a friend is in it and as you said about others he is also very happy.
    However the factory I was referring to was not in the Kepak group.

    It just seems unusual to me that one one hand the factories are now very choosy re spec from farmers but on the other hand seem to be prepared to produce outside the same spec when it comes to bulls from their own feedlots. I suppose that is one advantage of owning your own meat plant ;)


  • #1197
    Hershall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 348 ✭✭Hershall


    Killed heifers bks and bulls last week. Bulls even at a bad price only cattle that got a few quid. I have 50 yearling bulls in the shed which I now have to castrate in the coming weeks as bulls not wanted. Its hard to face doing it when you know it will be a waste of time.


  • #1198
    just do it
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,422 ✭✭✭just do it


    mf240 wrote: »
    Jdi as you know I enjoy your posts, but something I'm struggling with, You pointed out that the whole bull thing was widely flagged and that it's farmers own fault, (rancher seems to agree) so if the factories are not to blame then why the protest? my opinion is pr and photo ops.

    It's a tricky one isn't it. The one thing I know is fighting never solved anything. The IFA in fairness to them I believe are a powerful lobbiest group and good at it. However it's ingrained in the national psyche to bash factories, department etc etc etc. I hear it at the mart, I hear it at my discussion group etc. How is an IFA president remembered? By the best protest he organised? (I'm gone off on a tangent here so to come back on topic...) I suppose generally as farmers we work away as islands taking in info from here, there and everywhere. Maybe we need some organised structure such as:
    • A demand database overseen by someone like Bord Bia or ICBF
    • Factories feed in forecast demand for all the different categories at what times of the year
    • Factories feed in how much of this they intend to supply themselves
    • Farmers could then see what best suits them and target a particular sector
    • Farmers feed this into the database
    • Then if there oversupply/ undersupply of certain categories action could be taken well ahead of the farmer coming to the end of his finishing period
    Fairly aspirational stuff and requires alot of trust which for sure and certain is severely lacking. But ultimately team effort is best. I remember arguing 20yrs ago with a friend of mine from Tyrone that there could be a peace agreement. Now who would have thought there would be a power sharing executive?

    As it stands at the minute farmers have least control over price along the supply chain. Supermarkets have the dominant position, followed by factories with the farmers being price takers. Without some form of co-operative effort farmers will always remain price takers.

    As a practical first step I'd like to see the journal follow up on last week's article and tell us how to produce the desired carcase profitably. The journal has a large part to play in this.

    Also if the factories are buying animals to fatten maybe this is where the market now is, getting them to within 100 days of slaughter?


  • #1199
    just do it
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,422 ✭✭✭just do it


    What's the KK club?


  • #1200
    dharn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭dharn


    Keenan kepak, they wear white hoods over their heads ;)


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  • #1201
    just do it
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,422 ✭✭✭just do it


    dharn wrote: »
    Keenan kepak, they wear white hoods over their heads ;)

    LOL, I feel like I've just hung a target on my chest :D

    A bit more on the KK club here

    Dare I say it, just shows cooperation can work


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