Wii U / Nintendo general news and discussion

crybaby · 20-01-2014 7:05am

Retr0gamer wrote: »

. In Japan home consoles are pretty much dead so there's not a lot they can do about that but it's battling the image that they have from the Call of Duty/Fifa crowd and even bigger gamers that see Nintendo as not being cool which is their bigger hurdle.

Just out of interest what are the Japanese playing these days instead of consoles?

cherryghost · 20-01-2014 7:09am

crybaby wrote: »

Just out of interest what are the Japanese playing these days instead of consoles?

3DS, Vita, PSP, Smartphones, the big 4 right now over there.

CiDeRmAn · 20-01-2014 7:17am

I'd say a lot of critics making judgements on the WiiU have little experience with both the hardware and software.
Commenting that the OS is too slow was only true for the first while, a firmware update months ago sorted that out
That their games are graphically simple and platformers for kids are also just wrong.
Sitting on their IPs and delivering lazy rehashes is also, itself, lazy as Nintendo are the one company that takes the time to be wire precious with their characters and, in the main, deliver with each new title.
The machine as floundered partially due to the Gamepad, an earlier release in 2011 of a non gamepad reliant console would have been both cheaper and would have slotted into the game development of the similarly powered 360 and PS3.

For a long time people were simply looking for a HD Wii, Nintendo listened and have it to them, with a bit extra too but people still don't want it.

I have one and am glad I own it.
I have no complaints about it save that I wish more people had made the jump with me.

Hank Scorpio · 20-01-2014 7:34am

I own a Wii U and was disappointed playing batman on it recently, very laggy gameplay. They need to get their AAA titles out this year. A new zelda, metroid etc. Mario kart 8 will boost sales this spring massively

CiDeRmAn · 20-01-2014 8:02am

Is that the new Batman Origins game?
Because I have Batman Arkham City and I find it just fine.
I know Origins reviews haven't been as glowing, but if the gameplay is laggy then it is a disappointment alright.

gugleguy · 20-01-2014 8:59am

A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, the then great Atari company was asked specially by Nintendo to help Nintendo with sales/marketing. Look at Atari now. With regard to the Wii U, Nintendo needs to think differently than in an 'Atari' mindset. Personally, I don't know what alternatively mindset that may be, I don't have any solution. Other posters are waxing on in this thread about what Nintendo should do to make it right, but sure, the customer is always right - these posters need to see from Nintendo corporate point of view - a crowded console market and intense competition.

Mitch Connor · 20-01-2014 9:01am

Nintendo need to use some of the billions they have in reserve to buy up some studios, and create a new line of in house games, new IPs, new exclusives. If they can't get 3rd party support, go buy it.

Myrddin · 20-01-2014 10:06am

CiDeRmAn · 20-01-2014 10:26am

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Nintendo need to use some of the billions they have in reserve to buy up some studios, and create a new line of in house games, new IPs, new exclusives. If they can't get 3rd party support, go buy it.

Probably one of the best and constructive suggestions I've seen here.
Isn't that what MS did for the original Xbox, gave us Halo, PGR and Amped, all best in class at the time.

richymcdermott · 20-01-2014 10:46am

I agree with the statement above and I think nintendo could use of some more westren studios to cater to western audiences. Iwata as said himself he does not know anything about western studios so it may be good to bring in whether new studios or second party studios that can bring in more people to the wii u

Hank Scorpio · 20-01-2014 3:09pm

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Is that the new Batman Origins game?
Because I have Batman Arkham City and I find it just fine.
I know Origins reviews haven't been as glowing, but if the gameplay is laggy then it is a disappointment alright.

Batman: Arkham City Armored Edition. Feels like it runs at 15fps when outside gliding around

CiDeRmAn · 20-01-2014 5:38pm

I didn't notice that tbh, seems to play just fine.
Got it for feck all on Amazon and, so far, plays like the 360 version I had for a while.
But then, it was an early title and may not have been optimised for the hardware, seems to be a common feature, see the PS3 version of Bioshock and some of the multiplatform titles on the Xbox One for the same sort of thing.

jenjenten · 20-01-2014 6:22pm

^ if the Wii U was reduced to 200...would you buy it then?.....how about at 150 euro?

jenjenten · 20-01-2014 6:28pm

so the only solution then to encourage hardware sales that will stimulate software sales is a major price reduction....at least another 50 quid off...even at 200 its dear!

180....ninty need to take a dive and absorb the hardware losses.

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Axing a console and then bringing a new one out straight away isn't that easy. You have to sort out R&D, find manufacturers, sort out patents and legal issues with licensing, then there is creating the dies for the new components and writing all that software. Nintendo will ride out the WiiU because even if the WiiU flops it would be commercial suicide to jump straight into another console development cycle.

I think Nintendos main problem now is trying to battle that negative preception gamers have of them in the West. In Japan home consoles are pretty much dead so there's not a lot they can do about that but it's battling the image that they have from the Call of Duty/Fifa crowd and even bigger gamers that see Nintendo as not being cool which is their bigger hurdle. Nintendo might have made the best game of last year with Mario 3D World but you can't really tell somebody what they should like even if it's good for them. They want their populist action games and Nintendo just can't deliver them on their platform especially with third parties not on their system.

They now have an image of their consoles not having those big populist games and that image isn't unfounded. Even if they bring out a new console that will match their competitors in the next gen they still have that image associated with them.

cherryghost · 20-01-2014 6:29pm

198 in Harvey Normans at the mo. And yes, yes I would buy it for that price. There's plenty of AAA games out that put even previous gen consoles to shame.

johnny_ultimate · 20-01-2014 6:38pm

It's not as easy as just lopping 50% off the cost and taking a further hit - that makes pretty much no commercial sense. It's very possible to dangerously undervalue a product. Just look at the 2DS to see the compromises that have to be made to get a product to market at a significantly reduced price. A huge price cut would probably see a significant increase in Wii Us under TVs, but would also come with massive, massive drawbacks. Nintendo can just about absorb the losses their making at the moment on Wii Us sold, but selling millions more at an even lower price would put a strain on any successful company. Look at the massive financial repercussions their earlier price cut had on their annual books.

And even the Wii itself proved that outside a few big hitters most consumers buy quite a small amount of software anyway, so a price cut wouldn't be a magic fix all solution that would lead to massively increased software sales.

There's no easy, immediate fix for the Wii Us commercial woes: if there was, Nintendo would have implemented it already. You can rest assured there's many people in Nintendo HQ in Kyoto, the States and elsewhere formulating plans. Only time will tell if they'll work.

jenjenten · 20-01-2014 6:46pm

cherryghost wrote: »

198 in Harvey Normans at the mo. And yes, yes I would buy it for that price. There's plenty of AAA games out that put even previous gen consoles to shame.

is that the 32GB Premium version though?....Smyths have Premium + Nintendoland for 250.

Josey Wales · 20-01-2014 6:46pm

cherryghost wrote: »

198 in Harvey Normans at the mo. And yes, yes I would buy it for that price. There's plenty of AAA games out that put even previous gen consoles to shame.

That's only the basic model though.

CiDeRmAn · 20-01-2014 7:00pm

That's the discontinued model, and it only has 8gb of memory, however this is expandable with SD Cards.
At €200 the WiiU is an absolute steal, even without EA support it's set to receive all the new titles from the various Nintendo IPs and they are well worth owning, as Super Mario 3D World, Zelda WW HD and Pikmin 3 are testament to. With Mario Kart 8 and Bayonetta 2 on the way it's a must have machine.
Personally I can't wait for the E3 this year, Nintendo will have to pull out all the stops to show to the undecided how they must own a WiiU and that can only be great news for those who already own one, I'm looking forward to a new Zelda title as well as a HD Metroid title, I'd say a standalone, physical release of WiiU Sports is a cert as well, and that could be a big deal indeed, especially if they can get people to see it and play it.
I remember when the Wii was being shown off at a temporary booth at the Toys for Big Boys event in the RDS as well as later in Blanch, it drew so many people and was delighting them as well, and that was just Wii Sports, perhaps a physical release of the WiiU equivalent could bring the casual buyer back, along with their lovely money!

jenjenten · 20-01-2014 7:13pm

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

That's the discontinued model, and it only has 8gb of memory, however this is expandable with SD Cards.
At €200 the WiiU is an absolute steal, even without EA support it's set to receive all the new titles from the various Nintendo IPs and they are well worth owning, as Super Mario 3D World, Zelda WW HD and Pikmin 3 are testament to. With Mario Kart 8 and Bayonetta 2 on the way it's a must have machine.
Personally I can't wait for the E3 this year, Nintendo will have to pull out all the stops to show to the undecided how they must own a WiiU and that can only be great news for those who already own one, I'm looking forward to a new Zelda title as well as a HD Metroid title, I'd say a standalone, physical release of WiiU Sports is a cert as well, and that could be a big deal indeed, especially if they can get people to see it and play it.
I remember when the Wii was being shown off at a temporary booth at the Toys for Big Boys event in the RDS as well as later in Blanch, it drew so many people and was delighting them as well, and that was just Wii Sports, perhaps a physical release of the WiiU equivalent could bring the casual buyer back, along with their lovely money!

^ but according to yer man in that YT video Ninty will only have 4 (Four) new games in the first 6 months of 2014, i mean..........:eek:

jenjenten · 20-01-2014 7:19pm

:rolleyes: you see!....Nintendo REFUSE to move with the times!

http://www.vg247.com/2014/01/20/no-mario-on-smartphones-says-iwata/

^ its s**t like this that will lend them to folding up, WAY TOO overprotective of there IPR...stuck in the past!

Retr0gamer · 20-01-2014 7:25pm

jenjenten wrote: »

:rolleyes: you see!....Nintendo REFUSE to move with the times!

http://www.vg247.com/2014/01/20/no-mario-on-smartphones-says-iwata/

^ its s**t like this that will lend them to folding up, WAY TOO overprotective of there IPR...stuck in the past!

Putting mario on a smartphone/tablet will only damge nintendo in the long run. It's a short term solution to a short term problem that would cause massive lasting damage to Nintenod's biggest brand. Cheapening your biggest IP and putting it on a device that doesn't support the that type of game is not a good solution for Nintendo.

Myrddin · 20-01-2014 7:26pm

jenjenten wrote: »

:rolleyes: you see!....Nintendo REFUSE to move with the times!

http://www.vg247.com/2014/01/20/no-mario-on-smartphones-says-iwata/

^ its s**t like this that will lend them to folding up, WAY TOO overprotective of there IPR...stuck in the past!

Nintendo games on a smartphone? Shudder. Thank god it won't be happening any time soon.

NTMK · 20-01-2014 7:33pm

jenjenten wrote: »

:rolleyes: you see!....Nintendo REFUSE to move with the times!

http://www.vg247.com/2014/01/20/no-mario-on-smartphones-says-iwata/

^ its s**t like this that will lend them to folding up, WAY TOO overprotective of there IPR...stuck in the past!

shocking a company is protective over their ip sony nor ms would do such a thing with Uncharted and Halo.... oh wait:rolleyes:

A company with unprotected IP is a dead company

Nintendo will be the last man standing of the current 3.

the other 2 a hemorrhaging money and have been for a while now

Retr0gamer · 20-01-2014 7:35pm

jenjenten wrote: »

^ but according to yer man in that YT video Ninty will only have 4 (Four) new games in the first 6 months of 2014, i mean..........:eek:

That's probably more than Sony and Microsofts internal studios will have on their platforms in the same time and that's discounting Nintendo's 3DS output. They are only one development house afterall.

Fnz · 20-01-2014 8:18pm

jenjenten wrote: »

:rolleyes: you see!....Nintendo REFUSE to move with the times!

http://www.vg247.com/2014/01/20/no-mario-on-smartphones-says-iwata/

^ its s**t like this that will lend them to folding up, WAY TOO overprotective of there IPR...stuck in the past!

That's a misleading article.

Iwata said "we are naturally studying how smart devices can be used to grow the game-player business. It's not as simple as enabling Mario to move on a smartphone."

Probably meaning, games will have to be tailored to suit the platform.

astrofool · 20-01-2014 8:31pm

NTMK wrote: »

shocking a company is protective over their ip sony nor ms would do such a thing with Uncharted and Halo.... oh wait:rolleyes:

A company with unprotected IP is a dead company

Nintendo will be the last man standing of the current 3.

the other 2 a hemorrhaging money and have been for a while now

Microsoft is nicely profitable and has been for a long time, even the Xbox division has started to pull it's weight.

NTMK · 20-01-2014 8:38pm

astrofool wrote: »

Microsoft is nicely profitable and has been for a long time, even the Xbox division has started to pull it's weight.

Xbox's losses (Not MS as a whole) have been huge but are being hidden by android patents

http://www.destructoid.com/analyst-microsoft-losing-2-billion-on-xbox-annually-265273.phtml

Dozen Wicked Words · 20-01-2014 8:38pm

astrofool wrote: »

Microsoft is nicely profitable and has been for a long time, even the Xbox division has started to pull it's weight.

Not what this says:

http://bgr.com/2013/11/26/xbox-one-profit-estimate/

Says Microsoft isn't going to make money anytime soon off Xbox and should be sold off.

Otacon · 20-01-2014 8:47pm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

That's probably more than Sony and Microsofts internal studios will have on their platforms in the same time and that's discounting Nintendo's 3DS output. They are only one development house afterall.

But seeing as Nintendo have little to no third-party support, unlike Sony and MS, doesn't that make this more of an issue for them?

Fnz · 20-01-2014 8:47pm

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

It's not as easy as just lopping 50% off the cost and taking a further hit - that makes pretty much no commercial sense. It's very possible to dangerously undervalue a product. Just look at the 2DS to see the compromises that have to be made to get a product to market at a significantly reduced price. A huge price cut would probably see a significant increase in Wii Us under TVs, but would also come with massive, massive drawbacks. Nintendo can just about absorb the losses their making at the moment on Wii Us sold, but selling millions more at an even lower price would put a strain on any successful company. Look at the massive financial repercussions their earlier price cut had on their annual books.

It may make sense if there's not enough Wii U owners out there to sell Nintendo's long-tail, high-margin games to.

Weekend Confirmed guys seemed to settle around $150 (or up to $199 with a pack-in game) for the Wii U's fortunes to change. This involves taking out the expensive gamepad to help reach that price. Although it was a unique selling point for the system, nobody's taking advantage of it, and people can live without off-screen play.

So, the premium (32gb) console with Wii Remote (or classic controller) in place of the (removed) tablet gamepad for $150 (or in Euro, €150). I don't know if the cut needs to be that drastic, but if they are going to do a price cut, they better do it before the competition starts cutting the price on its current, and previous gen, hardware.

Vyse · 20-01-2014 8:52pm

Not a Nintendo fan, never have been. I had/ have a Gamecube and had some good times (Wind Waker, Resi 4, Paper Mario, Tales of Symphonia). Also had/ have a Wii (not so many good times there).

I find the situation that Nintendo are in to be both interesting and unique. First off I think the suggestion that Nintendo are even considering to go multi-plat is absurd. They have far too much money in the bank for that. However if the Wii U continues along its current path (which is hard to see it not) I wonder for how long Nintendo will continue to support it.

Here you have a machine that for the most part (if not all) will be home to Nintendo games, games which require considerable investment to develop (bar the Wind Waker but I won't go there). So if you are

a) losing money on the machine and
b) losing money on the games

when do you say enough is enough and move on? 3 years? 4 year

Nintendo took a massive gamble on the Wii and it paid off. To be honest I couldn't believe it at the time. I think it must have been released at just the right time with the marketing targeted at just the right audience. They have now took another gamble on the WiiU and it doesn't seem to resonate with gamers. I really can't see how Nintendo can turn the WiiU around but hey, what do I know.

Syferus · 20-01-2014 10:02pm

Nintendo themselves aren't finished but it's looking more and more likely the Wii U is, no amount of Smash Brothers or Zelda is going to fix this sort of perception problem.

They'll need to re-group and fast-track their next major console. Rushing a console out and success don't go hand in hand but Nintendo need the next one to be a success or they will be in serious bother.

20-01-2014 10:04pm

Syferus wrote: »

Nintendo themselves aren't finished but it's looking more and more likely the Wii U is, no amount of Smash Brothers or Zelda is going to fix this sort of perception problem.

They'll need to re-group and fast-track their next major console. Rushing a console out and success don't go hand in hand but Nintendo need the next one to be a success or they will be in serious bother.

Usually I'd say that's a bad idea but the WiiU has been such a flop they might almost be able to sweep it under the carpet. Another new console usually wouldn't inspire confidence (see Sega) but it's funny how few people actually care about the WiiU.

Mitch Connor · 21-01-2014 9:00am

jenjenten wrote: »

is that the 32GB Premium version though?....Smyths have Premium + Nintendoland for 250.

Awesome, might pick that up tonight....

mayordenis · 21-01-2014 9:06am

What they need is to being out the Expansion Pak U. That would sort all this.

Tipsy McSwagger · 21-01-2014 10:42am

Vyse wrote: »

Not a Nintendo fan, never have been. I had/ have a Gamecube and had some good times (Wind Waker, Resi 4, Paper Mario, Tales of Symphonia). Also had/ have a Wii (not so many good times there).

I find the situation that Nintendo are in to be both interesting and unique. First off I think the suggestion that Nintendo are even considering to go multi-plat is absurd. They have far too much money in the bank for that. However if the Wii U continues along its current path (which is hard to see it not) I wonder for how long Nintendo will continue to support it.

Here you have a machine that for the most part (if not all) will be home to Nintendo games, games which require considerable investment to develop (bar the Wind Waker but I won't go there). So if you are

a) losing money on the machine and
b) losing money on the games

when do you say enough is enough and move on? 3 years? 4 year

Nintendo took a massive gamble on the Wii and it paid off. To be honest I couldn't believe it at the time. I think it must have been released at just the right time with the marketing targeted at just the right audience. They have now took another gamble on the WiiU and it doesn't seem to resonate with gamers. I really can't see how Nintendo can turn the WiiU around but hey, what do I know.

Mitch Connor · 21-01-2014 10:50am

THing with the Wii U, is that it is NEVER going to pull the COD/FIFA gamer in. It simply doesn't have the power to play those games at their best, so doesn't have a chance.

It has target markets though.

1. Nintendo fans - the people that love all the Mario games, Zelda games etc.
2. Kids - power isn't as much of an issue, inventive games more than possible.
3. Adult groups - from playing Nintendoland, I am convinced it would be a massive hit at little parties, similar to Just Dance or something like that. Instead of playing twister, play the candy chase game, or the chasing game, or the ghost game. Some cracking little gems in that title.

As for suggestions of taking the gamepad out - I think that would be a terrible move. The gamepad and the way you can build party games around it, and the offscreen play, is what the console should be built around.

Nollog · 21-01-2014 11:03am

Vyse wrote: »

They have now took another gamble on the WiiU and it doesn't seem to resonate with gamers.

Seems to be doing fine with gamers imo, it seems to be the casual crowd it isn't working for.
A huge mis-calculation by Iwata, expecting brand recognition alone to sell it for him. I mean, that had to be what he was thinking, right?

NTMK wrote: »

shocking a company is protective over their ip sony nor ms would do such a thing with Uncharted and Halo.... oh wait:rolleyes:

A company with unprotected IP is a dead company

Nintendo will be the last man standing of the current 3.

the other 2 a hemorrhaging money and have been for a while now

I saw a halo game while looking for an RDP client on the play store, unless I'm crazy. I'm sure it's nothing like a proper halo game, but they've done something.

Also, p4 and x1 are their way of making money, easy x86 setups along the same lines power-wise as their last gen claims, they'll be very profitable this gen.

Retr0gamer wrote: »

That's probably more than Sony and Microsofts internal studios will have on their platforms in the same time and that's discounting Nintendo's 3DS output. They are only one development house afterall.

They're a single publisher, with at least 8 first-party development studios and a good few 2nd party partners. I wouldn't make it sound like it's a small 2 man team making 9001 games a year

As to the original article, Iwata was sniffing glue or something, he expected to sell 9 million wii u consoles, over Christmas.
I don't think that means the Wii U is a failure, I think it means 9 million was an unreachable number with pretty much 1 game to drive sales (Mario).
Sure they had a few others, all lambasted by the media, sonic lost worlds for example is amazing, yet "awkward controls" and a run button make it a mediocre game to respected review sites.
The controls are great, the game itself reminded me of sonic 1 and 2 from the megadrive, mixed with galaxy.
But that changes nothing, every single Wii U game gets the "awkward controls" lark plastered onto it for some reason, like reviewers forgot how to play videogames during last gen.

Genghiz Cohen · 21-01-2014 11:17am

Mitch Connor wrote: »

THing with the Wii U, is that it is NEVER going to pull the COD/FIFA gamer in. It simply doesn't have the power to play those games at their best, so doesn't have a chance.

>Implying any console does

gaynorvader · 21-01-2014 11:32am

NTMK wrote: »

Xbox's losses (Not MS as a whole) have been huge but are being hidden by android patents

http://www.destructoid.com/analyst-microsoft-losing-2-billion-on-xbox-annually-265273.phtml

Dozen Wicked Words wrote: »

Not what this says:

http://bgr.com/2013/11/26/xbox-one-profit-estimate/

Says Microsoft isn't going to make money anytime soon off Xbox and should be sold off.

Both utterly stupid articles, consoles always make an initial loss which is picked up by the amount of games they sell. It's far too early to write of either X1 or PS4 as losses at the moment.

Radiosonde · 21-01-2014 12:16pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Usually I'd say that's a bad idea but the WiiU has been such a flop they might almost be able to sweep it under the carpet. Another new console usually wouldn't inspire confidence (see Sega) but it's funny how few people actually care about the WiiU.

They could pull a 'third pillar' hardware reveal, as they did with ds (fastest ever developed console, rushed out in response to psp). All the stuff they said then was that this IS NOT the successor to gba, which of course was easily forgotten when ds eventually took off.

sweetie · 21-01-2014 12:19pm

The Wii u is my first console of the 'new' gen and I'm loving it. Having a ps3 and vita I've decided that I'll go with PS4 also later in the year. The fact that the vita can be used as remote play for the PS4 is great idea and similar to the wii u in that it suits a lot of guys with wives and familes whose gaming time is reduced. I think Nintendo may have been better to adopt the sony approach and bundle the console with a regular contoller, cut the price a bit and enable remote play through the 2ds/3ds or a new variation of these. I hope it doesn't die and I will be buying most of the first party titles at launch this year and persuading as many people as I can to jump into the wii u ship. All aboard!

Radiosonde · 21-01-2014 1:04pm

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Awesome, might pick that up tonight....

£180(€220ish) on amazon.co.uk now.

Mr E · 21-01-2014 1:08pm

It was a response to an Argos price drop (£180 on UK site, €225 here). Now sold out across the country.

http://www.checkargos.com/StockCheckPage.php?productId=912%2F8842

Allyall · 21-01-2014 1:41pm

They've been dropping for a while now in France. In-store only not online.
Some examples
This says €164.49 on sticker (I know, hard to read) - http://i.imgur.com/XYPP6ck.png

€136.95 - http://i.imgur.com/9IDrgmP.jpg
€180 - http://i.imgur.com/Rro5RSN.jpg
€134.50 - http://i.imgur.com/YjDpIB6.jpg

And in lots more places.

The 2DS has dropped (albeit temporarily) to €95 in a few places - http://i.imgur.com/jpJe7mL.jpg

Maybe a sign of the prices that we will see here shortly?
I'd hate to see Nintendo go under. It's unfortunate that nobody really understood/understands what the wii U is.
Some people think it's an extension to the Wii. A lot more don't even know it exists. Poor marketing didn't help.
I'm sure they'll be grand, but this will be a serious smack to the face.

DeSelby83 · 21-01-2014 2:25pm

They should just make an open world pokemon game and use the gamepad as a pokedex and it would solve a lot of problems for them. That would be a system seller

Mitch Connor · 21-01-2014 2:30pm

Mr E wrote: »

It was a response to an Argos price drop (£180 on UK site, €225 here). Now sold out across the country.

http://www.checkargos.com/StockCheckPage.php?productId=912%2F8842

Only read about that price drop this morning, were sold out when I checked about 11am. Would have certainly picked one up this evening. Blast and damn.

Mitch Connor · 21-01-2014 2:32pm

DeSelby83 wrote: »

They should just make an open world pokemon game and use the gamepad as a pokedex and it would solve a lot of problems for them. That would be a system seller

It actually annoys me they haven't made a console version of Pokemon (beyond Stadium/safari etc). A proper Pokemon RPG effort would have hooked me long ago,

death1234567 · 21-01-2014 2:55pm

/\/ollog wrote: »

Seems to be doing fine with gamers imo, it seems to be the casual crowd it isn't working for.
A huge mis-calculation by Iwata, expecting brand recognition alone to sell it for him.

Spot on and as predicted it's flopped. Nintendo hit a niche with the Wii but long term they either need to s*^t or get off the pot. They need to take on Sony and MS because they won't be able to continue to have a success with one generation and then a flop with another. Also the handheld market will die over the next few years as people use tablet's for gaming rather then DS's or Vita's.

Maybe nintendo should be the first into Cloud gaming.

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