2 Gardai force man in to Garda van

He got what he deserved!

Banging the baton against the edge of the van or on his shoe I don't have a problem with, they're just trying to intimidate him into compliance. Threatening to pepper spray someone is a far worse thing to do in my opinion. Pepper spray causes severe pain and discomfort for a long time and should only be used to subdue a violent individual. You don't pepper spray someone for non-compliance.

This is upsetting for a reason. Obviously we're not talking about something of the same scale, but pepper spraying a guy in handcuffs is unconscionable.

Was it really worth a thread?

Im not surprised "Red head" was apprehensive about using his baton. Not because its inappropriate, but because there are far too many who will cry assault or that the the man should have just been repeatedly asked to enter the Van -no matter how many times he would have to be asked. That someone will go to the daily mail or such like and have them put a money making negative slant. "Gardai batter unsuspecting victim". Basically, that seeing them do their job will generate more trouble than arresting the drunkard might even be worth!

This shying away from administrating discipline when required, by parents of a child, or by adults of their fellow reprobates is why we are facing a problem with antisocial behavior that is far more serious than people realise..

"forced into"

..as opposed to what? Gently coaxed in with a trail of sweeties?

josip wrote: »

1.40 - Red Head looks around before taking out the baton to see if there's anyone coming.
1.41 - Decides not to take out baton and turns around again.
1.41 - Shiny head already has his baton out using it.
1.42 - Red head has a quiet word with shiny head to tell him to lay off.
1.45 - Reason for red head not taking out baton and telling shiny head to lay off walks by.
1.49 - Red head and shiny head check again to see if anyone is coming before resuming batoning.

The Guards don't have an easy job to do, but from their own body langauage it's easy to see that these two knew they were doing something (batoning) that they shouldn't be doing.

Will any action be taken over this? I doubt it.

Legend:
R = Red headed Garda
B = Baldy Garda
A = Arrested person

• Start of the video: He's being arrested for being intoxicated in a public place and a danger to himself or others. That's my educated guess, and i;d put money on it i'm right. (Note some bottle of alcohol on the box beside the arrested person)
• 0.22 - "Go wan eye said" - Possibly friend of person being arrested - Factor to consider
• 0.37 - B: "Sit into the van - Straight forward request
• 0.40 - A: "I'll fight with ye" - Drunk or not, worth noting
• 00.46 - 00.48 - They placed him into the van, very nicely may i add.
• 00.50 - A refusing to co-operate (Has anyone ever tried to get someone into those mini-cages? It's not as easy as you think). B goes to the middle of the van to help him in from the other side
• 0.56-0.58 - R tries to sit him up straight to make it easier to get his legs in.
• 1.02 - R: "Step up in" - Helping A again.
• 1.05 - B goes back to help R as A won't get in
• 1.11 - 1.14 - A looks like he's saying something to R, can't hear what. From experience, usually some ginger insult.
• 1.17 - A: "What's wrong with you" - You won't get in the bloody van, that's what!
• 1.21 - R: "Put your legs up to your chest Dave" -Another fairly straight forward request.
• 1.30 - R tries to close door, you can hear internal door closing by B, A pushes back on door with feet.
• 1.35 - A: "I'll kick you straight in the face" - Threat. Proceed accordingly.
• 1.36 - R tries to close the door, A won't let him. Note you can't hear any scream, so it's not closing on A's foot, A is using the interior door to rest his back against and pushing against the door.
• 1.41 - B takes out his baton, hits the floor. Yes, R looks around, but i'd be willing to say it's to see if buddy from the start is still there. You take out your baton, others automatically get offended and cry brutality. R is doing his job making sure there is no one else to interfere.
• 1.42 - B: "Put your leg in", R has his hand on his pepper spray.
• 1.46 - B: "Put your leg in", A: "Gowan!" - Person walks by, R isn't looking at him.
• 1.48 - B: "How're ya" to passerby.
• 1.55 - B: "Put your feet in please" - hits the ground beside A's legs
• 1.59 - A seems to co-operate, B tries to close door and A pushes back again. R gets his pepper spray ready.
• 2.02 - R: "Dave, i'll tell you now, i'll spray you now again. I've sprayed you before" - Clear indication of what will happen if A doesn't stop resisting.
• 2.04 - B puts away his baton.
• 2.08 - R: Put your feet in or i'm going to spray you", A: "Why?" - High intelligence in this one.
• 2.14 - R manages to close door after A remembers what it's like to be sprayed.
  2.16 - Job done.

Gardaí were very calm and reserved in this situation. Well done.

Zillah wrote: »

Banging the baton against the edge of the van or on his shoe I don't have a problem with, they're just trying to intimidate him into compliance. Threatening to pepper spray someone is a far worse thing to do in my opinion. Pepper spray causes severe pain and discomfort for a long time and should only be used to subdue a violent individual. You don't pepper spray someone for non-compliance.

This is upsetting for a reason. Obviously we're not talking about something of the same scale, but pepper spraying a guy in handcuffs is unconscionable.

It's not unconscionable, it's a use of force deemed lower than the baton. It's also highly effective with next to no after effects (after a few hours or so). It's an irritant, not poison. If anything, it will clear up and cough you have and clear out your chest and nose. Albeit in a messy way. In your video, they are sprayed with a completely different substance, more than likely a higher percentage of the pepper extract.

What was he being arrested for does anyone know?