Pubs on xmas day

end of the road · 27-12-2013 12:58AM

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

While that happens in England, I think Irish pubs would be full of single men who hate family and angry new atheists sticking it to the man.

their choice if thats what they want

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

In any case we are talking about the workers too. Their right to time off.

can be protected by legislation that states the employer can't force one to work on christmas day or any religious day

end of the road · 27-12-2013 01:00AM

Iggy154 wrote: »

It is bad enough during the year with all the stupid drinking that goes on. Having to quadruple the number of gardai on duty as well as the number of A&E nurses and doctors in addition to the making of Christmas day a misery for many people who just want their families together for one day just so some people can go to a pub is ridiculous.

over dramatizing here, the amount of these things happening on christmas wouldn't be any more then other days

mikeym · 27-12-2013 01:01AM

If the pubs opened on Christmas day the kids would be dragged into them by their thirsty parents when they could be at home enjoying their presents.

I hate this religion forced down us crap used by atheists who probably wouldnt bother going to the pub if it opened on Christmas day.

Face it Atheists if you have children you buy them toys for Christmas and you tell them a religious saint exists.

Nobody likes to work on Christmas day unless they are getting treble pay.

hotmail.com · 27-12-2013 01:02AM

catallus wrote: »

My point was they wouldn't be in a pub, how is that rubbish? It is undeniably true.

The idea is to close the pub so that people stay at home. That is the point.

People stock up with vast amounts of drink and consume it on Xmas Day, many getting locked out of their brains. Does that bother you too? Or just once it's done at home?

Are you suggesting pubs should be closed entirely all year round?

awec · 27-12-2013 01:04AM

mikeym wrote: »

If the pubs opened on Christmas day the kids would be dragged into them by their thirsty parents when they could be at home enjoying their presents.

I hate this religion forced down us crap used by atheists who probably wouldnt bother going to the pub if it opened on Christmas day.

Face it Atheists if you have children you buy them toys for Christmas and you tell them a religious saint exists.

Nobody likes to work on Christmas day unless they are getting treble pay.

There is some amount of absolute nonsense posted in this thread. If you read it you would think that pubs opening on Christmas day would have apocalyptic consequences.

Pubs have been opening on Christmas day for years in the north. These doomsday scenarios that are posted on here haven't actually happened.

How many children are dragged to mass on Christmas day when they could be at home enjoying their presents? What a load of oul ballix.

hotmail.com · 27-12-2013 01:05AM

mikeym wrote: »

If the pubs opened on Christmas day the kids would be dragged into them by their thirsty parents when they could be at home enjoying their presents.

I hate this religion forced down us crap used by atheists who probably wouldnt bother going to the pub if it opened on Christmas day.

Face it Atheists if you have children you buy them toys for Christmas and you tell them a religious saint exists.

Nobody likes to work on Christmas day unless they are getting treble pay.

This isn't true.

Cienciano · 27-12-2013 01:05AM

The Highwayman wrote: »

Yeah stupid religious based laws,

Thou shall not kill
Thau shall not steal

Total bat **** crazy, get rid of them all................

What about the other ones? From Leviticus 20

9 For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.

10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

You're right, they are batshít crazy, what about making our own laws from what we think is right or wrong and ignoring what the bible says?

end of the road · 27-12-2013 01:06AM

Iggy154 wrote: »

It is not simply conjecture. It is always at the discretion of publicans whether they wish to open their premises or not. Some already open illegally. More and more pubs have corporate owners who will have no compunction about opening.
The Irish use of alcohol is well known and won't change for Christmas Day. a significant number of Irish people would not go to the pub for one or two drinks but would drink themselves into a state of drunkenness with follow-on fighting aggression and accidents. Especially on a bank Holiday with no work the following day!

what do you expect when you had the catholic church running things for years, and then nanny state laws which don't work but make the problem worse

mikeym · 27-12-2013 01:08AM

Of course their going to be dragged into the pub I dont think theres many available babysitters out there except immediate family to look after kids on Christmas day.

catallus · 27-12-2013 01:09AM

hotmail.com wrote: »

People stock up with vast amounts of drink and consume it on Xmas Day, many getting locked out of their brains. Does that bother you too? Or just once it's done at home? Are you suggesting pubs should be closed entirely all year round?

Are you drunk? Read what I'm writing. If the law wanted people to stop drinking the law would be "You can't drink on this or that particular day", but the law simply says the pub must be shut. Why are you bringing in the amount of drink people consume?

This whole argument is, as has been pointed out already, infantile counter-cultural screeching from people who really should put their minds to better use.

hotmail.com · 27-12-2013 01:11AM

catallus wrote: »

Are you drunk? Read what I'm writing. If the law wanted people to stop drinking the law would be "You can't drink on this or that particular day", but the law simply says the pub must be shut. Why are you bringing in the amount of drink people consume?

This whole argument is, as has been pointed out already, infantile counter-cultural screeching from people who really should put their minds to better use.

Your suggestion is that society would be better if the pubs were closed on Xmas Day. Why? If the answer relates to alcohol consumption then it's relevant to mention the amount of alcohol consumed at home.

Guy:Incognito · 27-12-2013 01:12AM

mikeym wrote: »

Of course their going to be dragged into the pub I dont think theres many available babysitters out there except immediate family to look after kids on Christmas day.

Are all these kids in the pub the other 363 days a year?

hotmail.com · 27-12-2013 01:12AM

mikeym wrote: »

Of course their going to be dragged into the pub I dont think theres many available babysitters out there except immediate family to look after kids on Christmas day.

What kind of people do you associate with?

catallus · 27-12-2013 01:16AM

hotmail.com wrote: »

Your suggestion is that society would be better if the pubs were closed on Xmas Day. Why? If the answer relates to alcohol consumption then it's relevant to mention the amount of alcohol consumed at home.

Duh. Try reading what I said. It is the physical location of the people that the law is seeking to control.... if you want to set up bar in your drawing room and use your fire-place as a urinal the law doesn't care!

hotmail.com · 27-12-2013 01:18AM

catallus wrote: »

Duh. Try reading what I said. It is the physical location of the people that the law is seeking to control.... if you want to set up bar in your drawing room and use your fire-place as a urinal the law doesn't care!

I disagree with it.

Try making an argument.

end of the road · 27-12-2013 01:18AM

Strumms wrote: »

That my be the origin of the law.

no, its the reason still, until the government gives a different reason.

Strumms wrote: »

To change it would need a compelling reason.

no, it wouldn't, it didn't in the uk

Strumms wrote: »

The only one I've heard so far is... "Because we want to" "it's religious oppression and my rights are being infringed" " I don't want to spend time with my family"

no, the only reason you heard is grown adults being able to make a choice for themselves, maybe some people don't want to spend time with their families whats wrong with that, maybe they don't get on with parents/children (grown up children that is) or maybe some don't have families at all.

Strumms wrote: »

There is no compelling reason to inconvenience tens of thousands of hard working people out of a nice quite Christmas, a day off

rabel rabel

Strumms wrote: »

I include the knock on effect of more gardai, hospital staff etc...

funny that, their isn't any more of such staff required in other countries even the uk on christmas day so that statement is nonsense.

Strumms wrote: »

So YOU want to go down the pub on one of the only 2 days a year that it's closed.... So ****in what...

i want the choice, you want to stay at home, so what, thats your choice

Strumms wrote: »

Unreasonable much.

to allow publicans to open if they wish with a proviso that they can't force staff to work, no, either shut all non-essential services or none

Strumms wrote: »

It's not all about YOU...

exactly, some don't want to be at home christmas day for whatever reason, again as i've mentioned, some don't have families, they may be elderly and alone, yet their supposed to spend christmas day alone.

Strumms wrote: »

Read a book about ducks...

or do and go where you want.

Strumms wrote: »

do something else that doesn't involve the few ****ing it up for the many...

more rabel rabel, the few aren't f//king it up for the many, if people want to go to the pub and the pubs want to open and legislation stopping employers forcing people to work is brought in then really theirs no problem

Strumms wrote: »

For ONE day..

1 day to many, let the publicans and people choose or shut all non-essential services

end of the road · 27-12-2013 01:38AM

rubberdiddies wrote: »

Difference between pubs and most other businesses is that pubs are a licenced premises. Shops aren't.

Licenced premises have to follow rules such as can't serve before 10.30am, can't serve after 11.30pm etc. that's just the way it is.

I'm all for the continental model of cafe bar culture where on the one hand many different types of premises are allowed to serve alcohol but on the other hand the majority don't go out and get hammered for the sake of being hammered and it's a much more social thing. I'd love that here.

But unfortunately in Ireland and the UK we can't handle drink and insist on binge drinking. Because of that (and of course because of political vested interests), we will probably never move to that model.

well in the continent as far as i know kids are introduced to alcohol from a young age and are educated about it, also they don't have pointless nanny state laws that exacerbate the problem of binge drinking, maybe if the pubs had always been open and no nanny state laws and the catholic church had never ruled here then maybe we mightn't have such a problem, but i guess we'l never know

catallus · 27-12-2013 01:43AM

This nonsense about Europeans handling their drink better is a shíte myth laid down by bigoted West-Brits who love to take every chance to knock Ireland and as a bonus hurl crap at the church.

end of the road · 27-12-2013 02:06AM

MJ23 wrote: »

Plan ahead. Buy a few cans. It's two days in the year. If you can't manage that, then you have a problem.

nonsense, theirs no evidence to prove that to be the case, it could just be the case that people believe in freedom of choice

end of the road · 27-12-2013 02:07AM

MJ23 wrote: »

What about the people working in the pubs? Surely they'd like a day off. It's two days in the year.

they can swap with someone who is single and who may not mind working, it happens in other industries believe it or not

end of the road · 27-12-2013 02:14AM

Shout Dust wrote: »

we'd probably need more doctors, nursers and gardai on duty on Christmas day if the pubs were open.

wrong, the experience from the UK which has the same problems and which is culturely similar to us shows that not to be the case

Shout Dust wrote: »

I think Christmas is a time for family and everything should be closed except for essential services.

some don't have families, i would agree that shutting everything down except for hospitals fire and guarda stations would make things fairer instead of just picking on the pubs, shut off the radio and tv stations (theirs only **** on them anyway) either do that or let all open.

end of the road · 27-12-2013 02:17AM

omega666 wrote: »

So basically your saying we should keep the pubs open to cater for a few alcoholics.

well with nonsense like that we'l never move forward, not everyone who may go to a pub on christmas day is an alcoholic, but sadly that is the other extreme of the irish mentality, either get pissed, or look for choice and your an alcoholic

catallus · 27-12-2013 02:22AM

end of the road wrote: »

well with nonsense like that we'l never move forward, not everyone who may go to a pub on christmas day is an alcoholic, but sadly that is the other extreme of the irish mentality, either get pissed, or look for choice and your an alcoholic

I don't mean to be churlish here, endoftheroad, but why do you have the idea that having the pub closed is antithetical to "moving forward"?

end of the road · 27-12-2013 02:23AM

Shout Dust wrote: »

Or drink in someones house for the day

what if you have nobody elses house to go to?

Shout Dust wrote: »

the pubs open for the rest of the year.

and? let them open when they want if they want

Shout Dust wrote: »

Let people with families enjoy the day

and screw those who have nobody, let them suffer alone, just as long as those with families are okay let the rest suffer alone with nobody.

Shout Dust wrote: »

do what we can to allow as much people have the holiday.

do what we can? i don't see people protesting outside businesses that do open to allow their staff go home. those who don't want to work christmas day won't have to with legislation forcing employers not to force staff who don't want to work into working christmas day

end of the road · 27-12-2013 02:26AM

Iggy154 wrote: »

What it comes down to is that people who want pubs open on Christmas Day are selfish. They are the very type of people who should stay home at Christmas. They cause enough trouble during the remainder of the year,

oh? so that must mean all who go to pubs get pissed and end up in the sells? didn't think so

end of the road · 27-12-2013 02:44AM

WhiteRoses wrote: »

Clearly all those wanting the pubs to be open have never worked in the service industry.

If pubs were allowed to open today, a great deal of them would do so with no consideration for their staff. I work in one and we are not allowed ask for time off in December as its too busy.

All these comments about requesting the day off due to religious reasons makes me laugh. How many court cases do we see each week about pregnant women being fired for needing maternity leave, etc? Employers would find a way around it to fire anyone who didn't want to work Christmas Day. They'd use another excuse just get rid of anyone unwilling to work. Why should someone potentially lose their job over something
like this?

Also, as for the shops being closed, it's completely different. Nobody goes for a celebratory spot of shopping on Christmas Day but I bet people would want to go for a celebratory drink.
If the pubs were open they'd be jammed and they'd require a lot of staff - no one who doesn't have to would want to work on a day like today.

December is such a rough month for pubs and clubs. We're already stretched to our limit staff wise and the abuse from drunken idiots is unbelievable. Working all the big nights like Xmas eve,
St. Stephens night and New Year's Eve isn't fun but I understand that this is what I signed up for. I have no problem working these nights or even putting up with the abuse but all that has been keeping me going is spending time
with my family today. If I thought I'd have to work today I'd go insane. I think I deserve the day off. A pub is nowhere to be on Christmas Day.

shop staff are no different to pub staff, shops are no different to pubs, the celebratery drink point is a non-argument, either allow them all to open or none of them

end of the road · 27-12-2013 02:47AM

CB19Kevo wrote: »

Think of it this way, In order for a pub to open Christmas day they will have to.
- Restock the bar late into Christmas eve as its normally a busy night.
- Managers and staff will have to leave there family's to open up.
- Security staff will have to be on at busy / city venues.

- Extra Guards will have to be rostered for public order / traffic.
- Council street cleaners will have to work or start earlier on stephens day.
- Extra a&e staff will have to work / be on standby.
- Taxi drivers will be expected to come out and ferry people from home to pub.
- City centre / town residents will have to put up with noise level from any bar that opens.
- Takeaways will want staff to come in to make extra money.

Its not as simple as saying sure cant the barman come in for a few hours,All this so people can have the choice to drink on Christmas day

I understand that some people don't like to sit at home on a winters evening and also that many are alcohol dependant and i can also understand that people want as much freedom as possible but one day off for the pubs cant be that bad.

the extra guardai/hospital staff argument isn't true, the UK gets buy with the same level of such staff on christmas day

end of the road · 27-12-2013 02:56AM

catallus wrote: »

What kills me is that the same people who argue for pubs being open on christmas day seem to have no beef at all with the arbitrary law brought in a few years ago dictating that all off-licences have to close at ten bloody pm.

i do, it serves no purpose and is completely pointless, it hasn't and never will solve binge drinking (which was the excuse used to bring it in if i remember rightly)

end of the road · 27-12-2013 03:00AM

meoklmrk91 wrote: »

spending time with those you love, eating good food, watching good TV, playing games, exchanging gifts

very little "good tv" on christmas day, the same **** films every year, don't play games as we've no kids around thankfully, had duck yesterday instead of turkey (find turkey aweful dry)

end of the road · 27-12-2013 03:04AM

Iggy154 wrote: »

Because other people might like to vist their parent or play with their nephwe on Christmas Day and wouldn't have any option about if if the pubs had to stay open just so that you could turn up if you felt like it and drink your half pint of beer and stagger around the place looking for a fight.

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Pubs on xmas day

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