Pubs on xmas day

s14driftking

Why cant the pubs open today was in England a few yrs for xmas and always had a great day in the pub after the dinner.
If they were opened would u go for a few.

Sir Humphrey Appleby

Like barstaff shouldn't be allowed Christmas with their families:rolleyes:, very selfish OP, very selfish.

Mad4simmental

s14driftking wrote: »

Why cant the pubs open today was in England a few yrs for xmas and always had a great day in the pub after the dinner.
If they were opened would u go for a few.

Are you not able to stay out of one for one day?

Annasopra

No I wouldn't go and I support them closing. They only close two days a year. You have 363 other days to go go to them.

The Backwards Man

Na, used to work in a pub years ago and opened on Christmas Day on the QT. Best thing ever happened was the guards closing us down one day. It's only when you work in a pub that you see the amount of Christmas Days ruined for kids as a result of alcohol.

Penny Tration

People who work in bars, restaurants andreretail get fcuk all time off as it is. I prefer everywhere being closed on Christmas day.

GarIT

I think it's wrong that the country dictates when things can or can't open. If staff want the day off they can book it like any other day. I know I would love to work today.

Tiddlypeeps

People go to the pub anyway, it's just now the pubs have to break the law if they want to serve drink. It's pretty common in the the country side in particular. The publicans risk large fines and possibly losing their license because of some backwards religious custom.

It's the same as good friday. If the pub owners want to close for the day then that would obviously be absolutely fine, but making it illegal for them to open is really stupid.

Annasopra

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Na, used to work in a pub years ago and opened on Christmas Day on the QT. Best thing ever happened was the guards closing us down one day. It's only when you work in a pub that you see the amount of Christmas Days ruined for kids as a result of alcohol.

Very true

My Dad used to own a pub beside the local Church
The Church had to move Midnight Mass back to 9pm because all the pub regulars went into Midnight mass really pissed and making a huge scene.
As well as that the Father might have spent his weeks wages in drink on Christmas eve and the Wife and Kids would almost literally starve over Christmas

Agricola

They should be closed more days in the year imo

Noccy_Mondy

I know that a lot of pubs/clubs are opening at 12 tonight. Fair enough, it's technically St.Stephens day, but still....

MRnotlob606

leaving them all close on christmas please

Mike747

Tiddlypeeps wrote: »

People go to the pub anyway, it's just now the pubs have to break the law if they want to serve drink. It's pretty common in the the country side in particular. The publicans risk large fines and possibly losing their license because of some backwards religious custom.

It's the same as good friday. If the pub owners want to close for the day then that would obviously be absolutely fine, but making it illegal for them to open is really stupid.

It's only two days a year. Get over it.

Tiddlypeeps

Bah Feckin Humbug! wrote: »

Like barstaff shouldn't be allowed Christmas with their families:rolleyes:, very selfish OP, very selfish.

Why should shops and filling stations be treated differently? Plenty of them open Christmas day, why does the law not step in there to ensure those staff members get to spend Christmas with their families?

The only two arguments put forward in favour of this law are "can you not stay out of the pub for one day" and "don't the staff deserve one day off". Neither of those are valid arguments for legally forcing a pub owner to close their doors on Christmas day.

If the law was revoked then odds are the vast majority of pubs would still close, but that's not the point. It's a stupid law and they should be allowed to choose for themselves.

Mike747 wrote: »

It's only two days a year. Get over it.

I wouldn't even go to the pub if it was open. I think I go to a pub like every other month. That's not the point tho. The government should not be making criminals of people who break a law that is only there because of a religious custom.

GarIT

I don't get the can you not stay out of the pub for one day argument. What if Christmas day is the only day in the year I want to go to the pub?

There's a lawmaking concept that gets ignored in Ireland. To infringe on one persons freedom to solve another persons problem is wrong.

I understand drink can cause problems for families but that shouldn't stop a 20 year old with nowhere else to go and no responsibilities from going to the pub. It's not my fault if some other person can't control their drinking.

GarIT

Some people claim that pubs need to close for a day etc, and also claim it's not them forcing their religion on people. So I assume you would be ok with changing the closed days to something like the first and last day of the year, or the shortest and longest day of the year, or the clock changover days?

Agricola

People might actually need petrol on Xmas day or a pint of milk or whatever. If you need to go to a pub on Xmas day, you have bigger problems than worrying about opening hours.

I'd normally be in agreement, do what you like, to each their own. But Christmas transcends a religious festival for most people. Its a chance for everyone to be off and spend 1 day together without having to worry about other commitments. If pubs could open on Xmas day, there would be people being forced to work who would rather be at home. I think their right to one day off, trumps joe soap's right to have a pub open 365 days a year. FFS, drink yourself silly at home if you must. In 24 hours, hit the pub Stephen's Day and go mad. Get alcohol poisoning!

Frank Lee Midere

GarIT wrote: »

Some people claim that pubs need to close for a day etc, and also claim it's not them forcing their religion on people. So I assume you would be ok with changing the closed days to something like the first and last day of the year, or the shortest and longest day of the year, or the clock changover days?

I'd be happy if they closed midweek. In any case as you new atheists continually remind us - Christmas is not just a Christian festival. It is however a very important secular festival and many people cherish family time. I'd prefer a two day ban on all non essential workers working the 25th or 26th.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

at what point does "it's only X days a year" stop working for people?

3 days, a week, maybe every second tuesday of the month? at what point does the stupidity of your argument jump into your field of view and start cursing at you

JohnMearsheimer

I rarely go to the pub these days but I wouldn't go if it were open on Christmas Day. I'd rather spend the day with the family. Pubs will always be there.

GarIT

Agricola wrote: »

People might actually need petrol on Xmas day or a pint of milk or whatever. If you need to go to a pub on Xmas day, you have bigger problems than worrying about opening hours.

I'd normally be in agreement, do what you like, to each their own. But Christmas transcends a religious festival for most people. Its a chance for everyone to be off and spend 1 day together without having to worry about other commitments. If pubs could open on Xmas day, there would be people being forced to work who would rather be at home. I think their right to one day off, trumps joe soap's right to have a pub open 365 days a year. FFS, drink yourself silly at home if you must. In 24 hours, hit the pub Stephen's Day and go mad. Get alcohol poisoning!

It would be fairly easy to let them open whenever and then make it illegal to punish staff for refusing to work on a religious holiday. Nobody is suggesting anybody should be forced to work but rather that they have the choice to do so of they wish.

I could name 2 pubs in westmeath where they are open and the owner is working on his own there today. I don't see a problem with that if that's what he wants to do, he isn't doing anything wrong (morally).

GarIT

JohnMearsheimer wrote: »

I rarely go to the pub these days but I wouldn't go if it were open on Christmas Day. I'd rather spend the day with the family. Pubs will always be there.

So are you suggesting because you wouldn't go I shouldn't be allowed?

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

should hotels be allowed open over the holidays?

stehyl15

I agree with closing on christmas day but on good friday wtf

GarIT

stehyl15 wrote: »

I agree with closing on christmas day but on good friday wtf

What is the significance of today that non religious people have to shut down their lifes for?

Agricola

GarIT wrote: »

It would be fairly easy to let them open whenever and then make it illegal to punish staff for refusing to work on a religious holiday. Nobody is suggesting anybody should be forced to work but rather that they have the choice to do so of they wish.

I could name 2 pubs in westmeath where they are open and the owner is working on his own there today. I don't see a problem with that if that's what he wants to do, he isn't doing anything wrong (morally).

Yeah, I have no truck with that whatsoever. If the owner of a pub wants to make a few quid and run the bar themselves, that's grand. But if the law was changed, there would be large pubs who would require a number of staff to run and those owners would be expecting to be able to rota their staff for that.
As long as it was purely voluntary for the staff, again no problem.

GarIT wrote: »

What is the significance of today that non religious people have to shut down their lifes for?

The "im not religious, I shouldnt have to bow to your customs" arguement is largely irrelevant nowadays. Im not in anyway religious myself. Im just coming from the point of view that it is right and proper that a society should recognise at least one day in the year when everyone bar essential workers should be off. Call it Christmas Day, Midwinter Day or National Sitting on your hole Day, it doesnt matter really.

tritium

GarIT wrote: »

Some people claim that pubs need to close for a day etc, and also claim it's not them forcing their religion on people. So I assume you would be ok with changing the closed days to something like the first and last day of the year, or the shortest and longest day of the year, or the clock changover days?

Pretty sure Christmas stopped being about religion for a lot of folks quite a while back. That said, if you want to pick other days to close I'd be ok with that. Truth is however that I don't for a second believe publicans would turn down the chance of opening on Christmas day if it was optional and they'd fully expect their staff to work, families or not. So yes for that reason I support closing on Christmas day. Now if you want to modify the law so the can open but cant have anyone without a stake in the business working then I'm fine with that...

stehyl15

Who'd want 2 go the pub on christmas day actually who wants 2 go to the pub at all with off-liensences these days tbh i only time i go to the pub when theres a big match thats only on sky

Strumms

You will find the majority of people who work in a pub would like the day off. Most of people who drink in pubs are content to not be in a pub on Xmas day and do something else. Also they probably appreciate the people who work in said pubs deserve a day off. If you want to work on Xmas day then get a job where you can and don't be a begrudging ****.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

if you dont want to work on xmas day then get a job where you don't, don't expect the government to force your industry to shut down for your benefit

Chancer3001

It's an absolutely stupid rule.

Religion being forced down people's throats.

The whole give the staff a day off is nonsense as said already. It's another example of the country's over religious past. Eventually I can see it being done away with.

Less and less people are religious and /or religious ENOUGH to kick up a fuss about it.

CB19Kevo

I work in a pub and we have been packed for the last 3 weeks,All staff under pressure and trying to deliver a good service.
No chance of time off as everyone is expected to work the busy nights, Will be back tomorrow night for more of the same.

1 night off over the Christmas is not a lot to ask, as has been already said if you really need it drink yourself to oblivion at home but do not expect staff to drag themselves in on Christmas day.

As for booking time off at Christmas, Not that simple, You can't expect to not work on the busiest time of year.

Happy Christmas.

GarIT

Strumms wrote: »

You will find the majority of people who work in a pub would like the day off. Most of people who drink in pubs are content to not be in a pub on Xmas day and do something else. Also they probably appreciate the people who work in said pubs deserve a day off. If you want to work on Xmas day then get a job where you can and don't be a begrudging ****.

In that case why don't we close for thanksgiving, passover and close everything on Fridays and Sundays and you just get over it and don't be begrudging.

Pub staff like everyone else in the country have legally assigned holidays. Why are pubs different to everywhere else?

I am completely against forcing people to work, and I am also strongly against restricting peoples freedom.

Chancer3001

I can't get over the amount of people grasping to the "staff day off" nonsense.

Book the day off. Hire somebody who doesn't care about working that day. Get a job in a different industry.

Should we close airports? Shops? Hotels? Restaurants? Petrol stations?

An absolute nonsensical argument.

Mike747

I'm sure pub staff would be delighted if you whinny atheists succeeded in changing the laws.

The pubs are closed two days of the year. It's not a big deal, stop acting like you're being oppressed.

GarIT

CB19Kevo wrote: »

I work in a pub and we have been packed for the last 3 weeks,All staff under pressure and trying to deliver a good service.
No chance of time off as everyone is expected to work the busy nights, Will be back tomorrow night for more of the same.

1 night off over the Christmas is not a lot to ask, as has been already said if you really need it drink yourself to oblivion at home but do not expect staff to drag themselves in on Christmas day.

As for booking time off at Christmas, Not that simple, You can't expect to not work on the busiest time of year.

Happy Christmas.

It would be fairly easy to legislate to make sure people can't be forced to work a religious holiday.

I assume you also know there is a legal limit on the hours one can work in any week.

GarIT

Mike747 wrote: »

I'm sure pub staff would be delighted if you whinny atheists succeeded in changing the laws.

The pubs are closed two days of the year. It's not a big deal, stop acting like you're being oppressed.

It is a big deal and it is most definately oppression.

How about I demand you don't work and can't legally buy alcohol on the summer solstice.

Mike747

GarIT wrote: »

It is a big deal and it is most definately oppression

If that's the sort of oppression you face in life then you should consider yourself very lucky.

Insect Overlord

Mike747 wrote: »

I'm sure pub staff would be delighted if you whinny atheists succeeded in changing the laws.

The pubs are closed two days of the year. It's not a big deal, stop acting like you're being oppressed.

What's atheism got to do with it? Plenty of Christians like their booze too.

GarIT

Mike747 wrote: »

If that's the sort of oppression you face in life then you should consider yourself very lucky.

I do, but it still shouldn't be happening.

Agricola

GarIT wrote: »

It is a big deal and it is most definately oppression

Not being able to go into a public house to drink alcohol on Xmas Day, when you can just as easily drink it at home, is really not a big deal. The big deals in Ireland 2013 are unemployment, emigration, the debt crisis etc etc. This is not one of them. But when we live in a cushy western democracy with a great standard of living, our perceptions about what is and isnt oppression get a bit scewed.

GarIT

It would be very easy to protect all the reasons people want pubs closed but still allow pubs to be open. I can't see any issue with it.

GarIT

Agricola wrote: »

Not being able to go into a public house to drink alcohol on Xmas Day, when you can just as easily drink it at home, is really not a big deal. The big deals in Ireland 2013 are unemployment, emigration, the debt crisis etc etc. This is not one of them. But when we live in a cushy western democracy with a great standard of living, our perceptions about what is and isnt oppression get a bit scewed.

When there aren't massive problems to deal with you might as well start working on the smaller ones. IMO it is morally wrong for anybody to force a pub owner to open his pub if that is what he wants to do.

suicide_circus

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

if you dont want to work on xmas day then get a job where you don't, don't expect the government to force your industry to shut down for your benefit

Profit> people

Mike747

GarIT wrote: »

It would be very easy to protect all the reasons people want pubs closed but still allow pubs to be open. I can't see any issue with it.

Well the pubs aren't open on xmas day and probably won't be opening anytime soon. I'll guess you'll have to grin and bear it until St Stephen's day.

jamaamaj

Agricola wrote: »

Not being able to go into a public house to drink alcohol on Xmas Day, when you can just as easily drink it at home, is really not a big deal. The big deals in Ireland 2013 are unemployment, emigration, the debt crisis etc etc. This is not one of them. But when we live in a cushy western democracy with a great standard of living, our perceptions about what is and isnt oppression get a bit scewed.

Screw the pubs (Ripoff merchant's the lot)

I'll tell you the Big deal - Not being able to buy Alcohol anytime of the day/night (Not the nanny state help the pubs out crap we have)

Happy xmas/new year folks long live cheap drinking at home.

GarIT

Mike747 wrote: »

Well the pubs aren't open on xmas day and probably won't be opening anytime soon. I'll guess you'll have to grin and bear it until St Stephen's day.

You be hard pressed to find a closed pub from what I've heard. That does say anything for why it should be illegal though.

systemicrisk

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

at what point does "it's only X days a year" stop working for people?

3 days, a week, maybe every second tuesday of the month? at what point does the stupidity of your argument jump into your field of view and start cursing at you

Do you not think its important to have one day a year that everyone can have a day off and spend time together. Im from a big family and this is only time we are all off at same time. We are all living away from home and it is something I really look forward to every year. I am no in any way religious.

GarIT

systemicrisk wrote: »

Do you not think its important to have one day a year that everyone can have a day off and spend time together. Im from a big family and this is only time we are all off at same time. We are all living away from home and it is something I really look forward to every year. I am no in any way religious.

No, you shouldn't be forced into it. I'm all for protecting peoples right to have the day off if they want though.

Just because you like to do something doesn't make it right to force other people to do it.

I am yet to see one argument against making laws to ensure people in every industry dont have to work of they don't want to and then lifting the other restrictions.

Mocha Joe

GarIT wrote: »

You be hard pressed to find a closed pub from what I've heard. That does say anything for why it should be illegal though.

Heard a lot of people saying this. No-one could name me one pub open in Dublin.

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Strumms

Mocha Joe wrote: »

Heard a lot of people saying this. No-one could name me one pub open in Dublin.

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Yes it's seriously BS.. Out of all the pubs I know, out of all the friends and staff I know all are closed.. All posting on FB at home with family and friends and enjoying a nice day off after working bloody hard serving the public and helping the public to enjoy themselves... One day isn't much to ask for and I know they are all delighted. Someone WANTING to work Xmas day or even be in a pub is so much a rare exception rather then the rule. It's **** all to do with religion and if the government or whoever want to oppress the country into relaxing for one day a year where the majority who are not involved in essential services can spend a day chilling out with family then I'm all for that... Again if you want to work on Xmas day get a job that allows you... The vast majority of the rest of us are quite content not being in the pub and having a nice day at home...