Pubs on xmas day

Scortho

Shout Dust wrote: »

But most do celebrate it, whether for religious reasons or not. It's a tradition and part of our culture, and a good one imo.
If I was in Japan and they had or have some equivalent of Christmas over there, where everything non-essential was shut down and all families and friends come together once a year I'd respect that as a tradition and part of their culture. I certainly wouldn't see it as some personal affront to my freedom or attack by the religious to impose their religion on others, as some seem to on here.

Then change the rule so that no business in Ireland can open on christmas day because its a tradition and part of our culture.

Aidric

mango salsa wrote: »

The open them up arguments make absolutely no sense to me to be honest. I mean seriously - talk of opression is a ludicrous argument and a lot of the other arguments seem like they are from children having tantrums.

I haven't used the word oppression and I agree that it is too strong a word in this context. However, I fail to see you providing an argument as to why they should remain closed.

Iggy154

citytillidie wrote: »

What about people with no family and may see going to a pub on Christmas Day as a way to beat the lonelyness

There are other and better ways to beat loneliness that going to a pub. Turning Christmas day into another Arthurs day/ halloween fiasco is a retrograde step.

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Iggy154 wrote: »

There are other and better ways to beat loneliness that going to a pub. Turning Christmas day into another Arthurs day/ halloween fiasco is a retrograde step.

This is really naive.. Do you realise how much alcohol will be consumed today?

Shout Dust

hotmail.com wrote: »

Having pubs open on Xmas Day won't ruin your day. If you feel it will, then it's pretty sad.

Again I don't think you get the point of forcing the tradition upon people, no matter what you think.

Until recently Sunday shopping was seen as a bad thing, things change.

Never said it would ruin my day, but it certainly wouldn't brighten up the day of the extra people forced to work on it because a few can't stay out of the pub for a day. I certainly think its a tradition that is good, you get people travelling home from all parts of Ireland and abroad, and a great excuse for people to meet up again at a time at the same time.

Aidric

Shout Dust wrote: »

Never said it would ruin my day, but it certainly wouldn't brighten up the day of the extra people forced to work on it because a few can't stay out of the pub for a day. I certainly think its a tradition that is good, you get people travelling home from all parts of Ireland and abroad, and a great excuse for people to meet up again at a time at the same time.

And when they meet up what do they do? Most likely drink at home, and probably a fair few at that.

The mistake that people are making here is that they are treating a pub as just another commercial venture. In Ireland/UK the pub is a meeting place for a lot of people. I see no problem with opening it up on Christmas day for those who would like to enjoy a few drinks with friends and family in a controlled environment.

whats the point

Aidric wrote: »

I haven't used the word oppression and I agree that it is too strong a word in this context. However, I fail to see you providing an argument as to why they should remain closed.

Here is one of his reasons.

mango salsa wrote: »

Very true
As well as that the Father might have spent his weeks wages in drink on Christmas eve and the Wife and Kids would almost literally starve over Christmas[/B]

Amirani

Not a chance I'd go to a pub on Christmas Day. Still, laws forcing businesses not to operate because of outdated religious reasons have no place in a secular society.

If it's all about the workers, why aren't other businesses prevented from operating today? Why should bar staff receive special treatment in this regard?

Aidric

whats the point wrote: »

Here is one of his reasons.

Again quoting extreme examples as a basis for your argument. The quote you provided would be attributed to an alcoholic, not to the majority of pub goers.

Scortho

whats the point wrote: »

Here is one of his reasons.

But the father might have spent the weeks wages buying up booze in dunes and drinking it.
Or put the weeks wages on a horse in the leopards town races.
Or spent it on coke and hookers.
Just because the pub is closed, doesn't stop him drinking his wages

whats the point

Aidric wrote: »

Again quoting extreme examples as a basis for your argument. The quote you provided would be attributed to an alcoholic, not to the majority of pub goers.

Where did he mention alcoholics in that post?

SusieBlue

Clearly all those wanting the pubs to be open have never worked in the service industry.

If pubs were allowed to open today, a great deal of them would do so with no consideration for their staff. I work in one and we are not allowed ask for time off in December as its too busy.

All these comments about requesting the day off due to religious reasons makes me laugh. How many court cases do we see each week about pregnant women being fired for needing maternity leave, etc? Employers would find a way around it to fire anyone who didn't want to work Christmas Day. They'd use another excuse just get rid of anyone unwilling to work. Why should someone potentially lose their job over something
like this?

Also, as for the shops being closed, it's completely different. Nobody goes for a celebratory spot of shopping on Christmas Day but I bet people would want to go for a celebratory drink.
If the pubs were open they'd be jammed and they'd require a lot of staff - no one who doesn't have to would want to work on a day like today.

December is such a rough month for pubs and clubs. We're already stretched to our limit staff wise and the abuse from drunken idiots is unbelievable. Working all the big nights like Xmas eve,
St. Stephens night and New Year's Eve isn't fun but I understand that this is what I signed up for. I have no problem working these nights or even putting up with the abuse but all that has been keeping me going is spending time
with my family today. If I thought I'd have to work today I'd go insane. I think I deserve the day off. A pub is nowhere to be on Christmas Day.

Aidric

whats the point wrote: »

Where did he mention alcoholics in that post?

Ah here, wake up. Someone who spends their entire wages on alcohol could be reasonably assumed to be an alcoholic. It didn't need to be expressly stated.

CB19Kevo

Think of it this way, In order for a pub to open Christmas day they will have to.
- Restock the bar late into Christmas eve as its normally a busy night.
- Managers and staff will have to leave there family's to open up.
- Security staff will have to be on at busy / city venues.

- Extra Guards will have to be rostered for public order / traffic.
- Council street cleaners will have to work or start earlier on stephens day.
- Extra a&e staff will have to work / be on standby.
- Taxi drivers will be expected to come out and ferry people from home to pub.
- City centre / town residents will have to put up with noise level from any bar that opens.
- Takeaways will want staff to come in to make extra money.

Its not as simple as saying sure cant the barman come in for a few hours,All this so people can have the choice to drink on Christmas day :rolleyes:

I understand that some people don't like to sit at home on a winters evening and also that many are alcohol dependant and i can also understand that people want as much freedom as possible but one day off for the pubs cant be that bad.

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WhiteRoses wrote: »

Clearly all those wanting the pubs to be open have never worked in the service industry.

If pubs were allowed to open today, a great deal of them would do so with no consideration for their staff. I work in one and we are not allowed ask for time off in December as its too busy.

All these comments about requesting the day off due to religious reasons makes me laugh. How many court cases do we see each week about pregnant women being fired for needing maternity leave, etc? Employers would find a way around it to fire anyone who didn't want to work Christmas Day. They'd use another excuse just get rid of anyone unwilling to work. Why should someone potentially lose their job over something
like this?

Also, as for the shops being closed, it's completely different. Nobody goes for a celebratory spot of shopping on Christmas Day but I bet people would want to go for a celebratory drink.
If the pubs were open they'd be jammed and they'd require a lot of staff - no one who doesn't have to would want to work on a day like today.

December is such a rough month for pubs and clubs. We're already stretched to our limit staff wise and the abuse from drunken idiots is unbelievable. Working all the big nights like Xmas eve,
St. Stephens night and New Year's Eve isn't fun but I understand that this is what I signed up for. I have no problem working these nights or even putting up with the abuse but all that has been keeping me going is spending time
with my family today. If I thought I'd have to work today I'd go insane. I think I deserve the day off. A pub is nowhere to be on Christmas Day.

A pub is nowhere to be on Xmas Day is a value judgement, something you can't impose on other people.

Scortho

WhiteRoses wrote: »

Clearly all those wanting the pubs to be open have never worked in the service industry.

If pubs were allowed to open today, a great deal of them would with no consideration for their staff. I work in one and we are not allowed ask for time off in December as its too busy.

All these comments about requesting the day off due to religious reasons makes me laugh. How many court cases do we see each week about pregnant women being fired for needing maternity leave, etc? Employers would find a way around it to fire anyone who didn't want to work Christmas Day. They'd use another excuse just get rid of anyone unwilling to work. Why should someone potentially lose their job over something
like this?

Also, as for the shops being closed, it's completely different. Nobody goes for a celebratory spot of shopping on Christmas Day but I bet people would want to go for a celebratory drink.
If the pubs were open they'd be jammed and they'd require a lot of staff - no one who doesn't have to would want to work on a day like today.

December is such a rough month for pubs and clubs. We're already stretched to our limit staff wise and the abuse from drunken idiots is unbelievable. Working all the big nights like Xmas eve,
St. Stephens night and New Year's Eve isn't fun but I understand that this is what I signed up for. I have no problem working these nights or even putting up with the abuse but all that has been keeping me going is spending time
with my family today. If I thought I'd have to work today I'd go insane. I think I deserve the day off. A pub is nowhere to be on Christmas Day.

This is my first christmas off since 2009. Ive worked 12 hour shifts the other three christmas days having my christmas dinner when I got home at 8pm.

I am one of those who wants the pubs to be allowed to open so don't generalise everyone.

While you mightn't think a pub is nowhere to be on Christmas day, whose to say a pub is nowhere to be any day of the week?

Cedrus

I NEED batteries!!!!!!! why is there no battery shop open on Christmas day, doeS no one think of the children?
:rolleyes:

SusieBlue

hotmail.com wrote: »

A pub is nowhere to be on Xmas Day is a value judgement, something you can't impose on other people.

I apologise. In my personal opinion a pub is nowhere to be on Christmas Day.

efb

Cedrus wrote: »

I NEED batteries!!!!!!! why is there no battery shop open on Christmas day, doeS no one think of the children?
:rolleyes:

Tesco filling station was open today

Aidric

Cedrus wrote: »

I NEED batteries!!!!!!! why is there no battery shop open on Christmas day, doeS no one think of the children?
:rolleyes:

Could you not just give your wife a length of your own for one day instead of using the vibrator? :pac:

whats the point

Aidric wrote: »

Ah here, wake up. Someone who spends their entire wages on alcohol could be reasonably assumed to be an alcoholic. It didn't need to be expressly stated.

He was just getting a sly dig in about men in general, to fit his own agenda on boards.

P_1

IMO they should be allowed to open but their should be a legal guarantee of a hefty bonus for the staff who have to work it, something along the lines of quadruple pay. Like everything else, forcing one's cultural/religious beliefs on others really shouldn't be on.

Shout Dust

NiallSparky wrote: »

Not a chance I'd go to a pub on Christmas Day. Still, laws forcing businesses not to operate because of outdated religious reasons have no place in a secular society.

If it's all about the workers, why aren't other businesses prevented from operating today? Why should bar staff receive special treatment in this regard?

Bookies are forced to close too I think, open to correction though?

Shout Dust

hotmail.com wrote: »

A pub is nowhere to be on Xmas Day is a value judgement, something you can't impose on other people.

Are all our laws not value judgements?

Aidric

Shout Dust wrote: »

Bookies are forced to close too I think, open to correction though?

Why would they be open? No financial markets open or sporting events taking place on Christmas day that I know of.

Annasopra

Shout Dust wrote: »

Are all our laws not value judgements?

Yes

cmore123

Lots are open in the north - have been for some years.... despite opening hours generally less flexible there than south of the border...

P_1

Aidric wrote: »

Why would they be open? No financial markets open or sporting events taking place on Christmas day that I know of.

Well there was a full round of fixtures in the Egyptian premier league today I'll have you know

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Shout Dust wrote: »

Are all our laws not value judgements?

Not all value judgements relate to the law.

Aidric

P_1 wrote: »

Well there was a full round of fixtures in the Egyptian premier league today I'll have you know

I stand corrected. Also seems there was some action in Tunisia. No doubt huge liquidity in those markets.