Pubs on xmas day

curlymo

Childline has seen a 20% increase in calls to the service on Christmas Day, compared to last year.

The ISPCC helpline responded to almost 1,500 calls, texts and web messages.

The increase in answered calls was partly due to additional staff.

75 volunteers across the country offered support to hundreds of children who needed to talk on Christmas Day.

Margie Roe from Childline says Christmas can be a difficult time for children, and alcohol can often be a negative factor.


How many of the callers to child line had dads in the pubs yesterday and drank till Dinner was ready or overcooked and then returned home to a cold reception for everyone which resulted in an unhappy christmas.

When are we going to realise that Alcohol abuse at this time has a dramatic effect on children and families

Guy:Incognito

Do the esb workers and TV station staff and any number of others that work on the 25th not deserve the day with their families too? Surely you can go the day without TV? Maybe light a few candles and do without lights.

As for offices being closed on bank holidays, they are free to open if they want. They could work Sundays too if they chose, there's no law stopping them.

plenty of people in England don't go to the pub to get locked on Christmas day either, they go as a family and have their Christmas dinner there. The mammy doesn't have to spend her Christmas working by making dinners for everyone then.

Lapin

GarIT wrote: »

I think it's wrong that the country dictates when things can or can't open. If staff want the day off they can book it like any other day. I know I would love to work today.

Only reading this thread now so don't know if this suggestion has been made already.

Go and volunteer to do something on Christmas day if you really want to get out of the house. There are lots of people and organisations out there who would appreciate the extra help.

But FFS Don't moan about not being able to work on a day that thousands of people would love to have off. :mad:

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curlymo wrote: »

Childline has seen a 20% increase in calls to the service on Christmas Day, compared to last year.

The ISPCC helpline responded to almost 1,500 calls, texts and web messages.

The increase in answered calls was partly due to additional staff.

75 volunteers across the country offered support to hundreds of children who needed to talk on Christmas Day.

Margie Roe from Childline says Christmas can be a difficult time for children, and alcohol can often be a negative factor.


How many of the callers to child line had dads in the pubs yesterday and drank till Dinner was ready or overcooked and then returned home to a cold reception for everyone which resulted in an unhappy christmas.

When are we going to realise that Alcohol abuse at this time has a dramatic effect on children and families

Again as you should know, lots of drink gets drunk on Xmas Day. So this is a ridiculous point in relation to this topic.

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Valetta wrote: »

Of course it was valid. I offered two opinions. Neither of which you commented on.

They were an assumption that people were better off without them open.

It's not valid.

Annasopra

Valetta wrote: »

You completely ignored the two points I made in my post.

He ignored my point too

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mango salsa wrote: »

He ignored my point too

What was your point?

catallus

Annasopra

mango salsa wrote: »

Yes but all laws are value judgements. I mean your argument is value judgements shouldn't be imposed through law - if you work through that argument and take it to it's logical conclusion then we shouldn't have a tax system or social welfare or educarion sysyem because they are value judgements.

This point.

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Mad4simmental wrote: »

Are you not able to stay out of one for one day?

can we not have a debate about pubs opening without this nonsense always coming up? not everyone who wants to be able to choose when they go to the pub is a raving alcoholic

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mango salsa wrote: »

This point.

Yeah it was a wild leap to make on your part. What was the point in addressing it?

We're talking about the option/choice of selling alcohol on Xmas Day. I believe there should be a choice.

Can you not deal with that specific and important point?

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mango salsa wrote: »

No I wouldn't go and I support them closing. They only close two days a year. You have 363 other days to go go to them.

not good enough is it, the pubs should be able to choose when they can open the same as i should be able to choose when i go, you know like a grown adult, if the pubs themselves choose to close christmas day, fine, but it shouldn't be forced by law

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The Backwards Man wrote: »

It's only when you work in a pub that you see the amount of Christmas Days ruined for kids as a result of alcohol.

and getting pissed at home doesn't do the same thing? shur thats all right so

Valetta

hotmail.com wrote: »

They were an assumption that people were better off without them open.

It's not valid.

I don't understand. What's not valid?

I didn't make any assumptions; just asked questions and gave my opinion.

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Valetta wrote: »

I don't understand. What's not valid?

I didn't make any assumptions; just asked questions and gave my opinion.

Debate the issue..don't make assumptions.

The option of selling alcohol on Xmas Day.

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Mike747 wrote: »

It's only two days a year.

2 days to many, 2 days of less money going into the economy to satisfy those who call themselves catholics but who haven't a clue what it means

Mike747 wrote: »

Get over it.

no, i won't get over having religion dictating to me where i can and can't go, remove the law and let the pubs and the people decide like in other countries, those who will get pissed will do so anyway, those who will take money from their childrens mouths will do so regardless, none of the arguments to keep them close wash as the same things will be done either way.

catallus

Having pubs closed on those days are are form of social control, I believe it to be a positive thing that the law forces people to spend there time in a place other than a pub.

Mark200

Valetta wrote: »

Were any people / families worse off yesterday because all the pubs were closed?
I doubt it.

Err, how about the owners of pubs who could have made a serious amount of money if the law did not forbid them from operating their business on this particular day? People are always moaning about how business owners are struggling to get by and being screwed over by the Government, but for some reason it's a good idea to tell the business owners they can't operate on what could be a busy day for them?

The amount of facepalm-worthy posts in this topic is unbelievable. The issue here isn't "giving people a day off", or even people wanting to go out to a bar on Christmas day, the issue is the freedom to operate your business however you choose.

And let's not forget - the law here isn't telling businesses they can't open on Christmas day, the law is banning the sale of alcohol on Good Friday and Christmas day due to the country's Catholic traditions. No one would be forcing pubs to open on Christmas day, the removal of the law would simply allow pubs to open on Christmas day. The silly comments like "if you can't stay out of a pub for one* day a year you've a problem" are barely worth the effort of reading because they miss the point by a mile.

No one forces shopping centres, corner stores, pharmacies, petrol stations, etc to close on Christmas day - but the vast majority of them do anyway. We don't need a law to force them to close. And if the vast majority of them did NOT close on Christmas day, a law forcing them to close would still be ridiculous - especially if the reason for the law was religious due to some tradition about not being allowed handle a fossil fuel on some day vaguely related to the story of Jesus. For the handful of corner store owners who choose to open on Christmas day because they figure the amount of money they can make for themselves and for their family is worth it, then why should the Government tell them they're not allowed to?


* - It's actually two

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Agricola wrote: »

People might actually need petrol on Xmas day or a pint of milk or whatever.

or they could get it before, but still if they want to get it christmas day they can and thats fine, its their choice.

Agricola wrote: »

If you need to go to a pub on Xmas day, you have bigger problems than worrying about opening hours.

lol, and we wonder why people drink themselves into oblivian in this country and we have nanny state laws to try to stop it but fail and cause it to happen even more because people rebel against them because they know their pointless, because of those who come out with nonsense like this, wanting to choose when you go to the pub does not, i repeat, does not, make you a raging alcoholic or somebody who has a drink problem, but no point in people who want to force their ways down other peoples throats leting that fact get in the way of thinking such nonsense.

Agricola wrote: »

Christmas transcends a religious festival for most people. Its a chance for everyone to be off and spend 1 day together without having to worry about other commitments.

what about those who have no family? the pub could be a place for them to go and have a drink and some dinner in the company of others.

Agricola wrote: »

If pubs could open on Xmas day, there would be people being forced to work who would rather be at home.

swap with somebody who might like to work christmas day, their are people out there who wouldn't mind doing so, somebody for example who might not have a family.

Agricola wrote: »

I think their right to one day off, trumps joe soap's right to have a pub open 365 days a year.

i think the right of all staff working for the ESB to have a day off trumps the right of somebody to have electricity when they could light candles and use a gas stove, see how this doesn't work?

Agricola wrote: »

FFS, drink yourself silly at home if you must.

or the grownups could be able to make that choice for themselves

Agricola wrote: »

In 24 hours, hit the pub Stephen's Day and go mad. Get alcohol poisoning!

your grand thanks, i just would rather people to be able to make the choice for themselves, the days of everything shutting down on christmas day for everyone to go to mass are long gone or are slowly coming to an end

awec

Plenty of bars open up here on Christmas day, but a lot of the time it is the owner of the bar who will come in and actually work. Even if it isn't I would highly doubt that anyone is forced to work Christmas day against their will and I doubt any bar has a problem getting someone to come in for a few hours. Usually make a good bit of money for what is a very easy shift.

They'd be fairly busy too, it's generally full of people who head out whenever their ma starts sticking on the Emmerdale and Coronation street christmas shows on the TV.

Plenty of taxi men work it too. They make a decent bit of money.

A pub opening on Christmas day is not all doom and gloom, some people are too quick to whinge about these things.

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Mike747 wrote: »

I'm sure pub staff would be delighted if you whinny atheists succeeded in changing the laws.

The pubs are closed two days of the year. It's not a big deal, stop acting like you're being oppressed.

2 days where 1 industry is discriminated against while all other industries are allowed to trade, thats hardly fair, if you want to force all non-essential services shops petrol stations and so on to shut then maybe i'd agree but forcing 1 industry not to trade while others can is wrong

The Highwayman

Tiddlypeeps wrote: »

If the law was revoked then odds are the vast majority of pubs would still close, but that's not the point. It's a stupid law and they should be allowed to choose for themselves.



I wouldn't even go to the pub if it was open. I think I go to a pub like every other month. That's not the point tho. The government should not be making criminals of people who break a law that is only there because of a religious custom.

Yeah stupid religious based laws,

Thou shall not kill
Thau shall not steal

Total bat **** crazy, get rid of them all................

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catallus wrote: »

Having pubs closed on those days are are form of social control, I believe it to be a positive thing that the law forces people to spend there time in a place other than a pub.

You assume every single person will end up in a pub? They won't.

People will drink vast amounts at home.

So your point is rubbish.

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systemicrisk wrote: »

Do you not think its important to have one day a year that everyone can have a day off and spend time together. Im from a big family and this is only time we are all off at same time. We are all living away from home and it is something I really look forward to every year. I am no in any way religious.

then require all non-essential services to shut by law, not just the pubs, either all shut or nobody shuts, don't pick on 1 particular service

catallus

hotmail.com wrote: »

You assume every single person will end up in a pub? They won't.

People will drink vast amounts at home.

So your point is rubbish.

My point was they wouldn't be in a pub, how is that rubbish? It is undeniably true.

The idea is to close the pub so that people stay at home. That is the point.

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crazygeryy wrote: »

Nah keep em closed one bloody day won't kill anyone. And this rule that golf clubs and rugby clubs can open for members is rubbish to it should be made illegal. Go home and spend the day with your family rather than in a pub.

and if you have no family? their are people out there who don't you know

Cienciano

Valetta wrote: »

Were any people / families worse off yesterday because all the pubs were closed?
I doubt it.

Were any people / families better off?
I would say most definitely.

Leave well enough alone.

How do you know? Could be a lot of single people, especially old people that spend christmas in isolation on their own that would love to head down to the pub and have dinner there.
I definitely know a few lads in my area that would love it.
But yeah, there's also the negative side, fathers dragging their kids down there for the day.
Legally, they should open imho. Like any business, they should be allowed to open whenever they want.

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Iggy154 wrote: »

I worked in a hotel on Christmas Day once. I resented it and took it out on the customers. Opening pubs on Christmas day would create more trouble than it is worth. Pub crawls followed by public order trouble, arrests and childhood memories of drunks missing from dinner. All opening pubs on Christmas day would do is increase misery.

no, it would be no more then would happen on any other day, the same misery happens with drinking at home, childhood memories of drunks missing from dinner. would happen anyway, if i was an employer and you or anyone was working for me and took their issue out on the customer not only would i fire you but i would make sure you never worked in the industry again, theirs no excuse for lack of professionalism

wazky

end of the road wrote: »

no, it would be no more then would happen on any other day, the same misery happens with drinking at home, childhood memories of drunks missing from dinner. would happen anyway, if i was an employer and you or anyone was working for me and took their issue out on the customer not only would i fire you but i would make sure you never worked in the industry again, theirs no excuse for lack of professionalism

Who are you?, King of the Pubs?

Guy:Incognito

The Highwayman wrote: »

Yeah stupid religious based laws,

Thou shall not kill
Thau shall not steal

Total bat **** crazy, get rid of them all................

Do only countries with a Catholic history forbid murder and theft?