Garda Recruitment- The Waiting to Apply Room

djor88 · 20-12-2013 04:45PM

TheNog wrote: »

On attestation a probationer receives €27,100 + €4,000 rent allowance + unsocial allowances + you will most probably pick up some OT = approx 35k.

All of the figures above are before tax of course. You can find the salary on

http://gra.cc/payscales.shtml.

"1ST SEPTEMBER 2008 - 1ST JANUARY 2011", these will be revised i'd imagine for the new members, they've said they're looking at allowances and I'd say there's no way that members will be on those wages.

TheNog · 20-12-2013 05:46PM

Scouser wrote: »

the GRA payscales are incorrect/have not been updated

new Gardai are on 20% less than what was previously agreed

the starting salary for this round of recruits will be just over 23K

and we are unsure if rent allowance has survived the cutbacks etc

Is it confirmed in regards to the 20% reduced pay? I know that's what happened recruiting 1,000 nurses with only about 40 people applying. There was talk about new Gardai on less pay but all I heard is talk. The same with rent allowance.

Has anyone confirmed with HR if these cuts are in place? I wouldn't be relying on hearsay tbh. It was reported in the media we will be receiving patrol cars before the end of this year but that is not happening. There was also discussion of accelerating the training phases in Trmplemore but that isn't being talked about either.

Scouser · 20-12-2013 05:52PM

TheNog wrote: »

Is it confirmed in regards to the 20% reduced pay? I know that's what happened recruiting 1,000 nurses with only about 40 people applying. There was talk about new Gardai on less pay but all I heard is talk. The same with rent allowance.

Has anyone confirmed with HR if these cuts are in place? I wouldn't be relying on hearsay tbh. It was reported in the media we will be receiving patrol cars before the end of this year but that is not happening. There was also discussion of accelerating the training phases in Trmplemore but that isn't being talked about either.

yes the 23k was printed in the applicant booklet on Public Jobs

http://www.publicjobs.ie/publicjobs/campaignAdvert/9112/booklet.htm

page 11

Zadie10 · 20-12-2013 06:15PM

TheNog wrote: »

Is it confirmed in regards to the 20% reduced pay? I know that's what happened recruiting 1,000 nurses with only about 40 people applying. There was talk about new Gardai on less pay but all I heard is talk. The same with rent allowance.

Has anyone confirmed with HR if these cuts are in place? I wouldn't be relying on hearsay tbh. It was reported in the media we will be receiving patrol cars before the end of this year but that is not happening. There was also discussion of accelerating the training phases in Trmplemore but that isn't being talked about either.

Yeah its confirmed, also the shorter training is confirmed as 32 weeks in Templemore. There is no mention of rent allowance in the handbook either so think thats still undecided.

DesertCreat_15 · 20-12-2013 06:29PM

For those who can't access the document or purely can't be arsed...

The COPS Notes for Applicants wrote:

The pay of all public servants is determined by the Minister of Public Expenditure and Reform in consultation with relevant parties. In addition, the Haddington Road Agreement provides for a review of the Garda Síochána including the „remuneration and conditions of service of An Garda Síochána’.
The rates of pay and allowances are therefore indicative and are therefore subject to change.

Garda Trainees will receive an allowance of €184 per week for the 32 weeks leading to attestation.

On appointment to the Service, a Probationer Garda will be paid €23,171 rising by increments to a maximum of €45,793 per annum after 19 years (October, 2013 rates). Members of the Service may also qualify for other allowances.

Hooch · 20-12-2013 06:40PM

New recruits are on 20% less but rejoin the normal Garda Pay scale after two years. The GRA pay scale in pink is accurate for presently serving members. Add two years onto that for new recruits.

Rent allowance is gone for new members as per the review this year. The GRA are fighting to have it included into core pay. As already mentioned by thenog it is core pay and shouldn't be treated as an allowance. As of now rent allowance is gone however I would expect that next year, if and when it is taken into core pay, new recruits pay will rise alongside those already serving.

Scouser · 20-12-2013 06:48PM

Hooch wrote: »

New recruits are on 20% less but rejoin the normal Garda Pay scale after two years. The GRA pay scale in pink is accurate for presently serving members. Add two years onto that for new recruits.

Rent allowance is gone for new members as per the review this year. The GRA are fighting to have it included into core pay. As already mentioned by thenog it is core pay and shouldn't be treated as an allowance. As of now rent allowance is gone however I would expect that next year, if and when it is taken into core pay, new recruits pay will rise alongside those already serving.

the pay situation is borderline criminal!

Zadie10 · 20-12-2013 06:56PM

Scouser wrote: »

the pay situation is borderline criminal!

Its shocking!!! It's the only job I've wanted to do for years, but with my mortgage I now dont know if I could afford to. And considering that new recruits will most likely be sent to Dublin, you have to consider the cost of rent there. Its also sickening that applicants are expected to jump through so many hoops for that salary!

Scouser · 20-12-2013 07:07PM

Zadie10 wrote: »

Its shocking!!! It's the only job I've wanted to do for years, but with my mortgage I now dont know if I could afford to. And considering that new recruits will most likely be sent to Dublin, you have to consider the cost of rent there. Its also sickening that applicants are expected to jump through so many hoops for that salary!

there are so many hoops because their are so many applicants

simple as

carzony · 20-12-2013 07:08PM

Scouser wrote: »

there are so many hoops because their are so many applicants

simple as

I wonder how many applicants have been put off by the new pay..

Scouser · 20-12-2013 07:10PM

carzony wrote: »

I wonder how many applicants have been put off by the new pay..

be interesting to see!! not many i would imagine

i would love to know how many applications have been sumbitted so far

carzony · 20-12-2013 07:28PM

Scouser wrote: »

be interesting to see!! not many i would imagine

i would love to know how many applications have been sumbitted so far

I say the opposite. I'd say a good few have been put off. I'v certaintly been put off for the next few years anyway.

Scouser · 20-12-2013 07:30PM

carzony wrote: »

I say the opposite. I'd say a good few have been put off. I'v certaintly been put off for the next few years anyway.

so your not applying?

carzony · 20-12-2013 07:53PM

Scouser wrote: »

so your not applying?

I'm Not applying, But for several different reasons not just because of the pay.

TheNog · 20-12-2013 09:29PM

Zadie10 wrote: »

Yeah its confirmed, also the shorter training is confirmed as 32 weeks in Templemore. There is no mention of rent allowance in the handbook either so think thats still undecided.

Got chatting to one of my GRA reps. Rent allowance is gone. He thought new members are to be on 10% reduced pay but looks like he is wrong on that one. Also pension for new members is to be calculated over their entire service pay rather than the current situation of being calculated over the last 2-3 yrs of service (I'm not entirely sure how many yrs but its close enough). This will effect the lump sum paid on retirement for new members.

Bit of a joke I think. Too many cons and not enough pros tbh

Scouser · 20-12-2013 09:33PM

TheNog wrote: »

Got chatting to one of my GRA reps. Rent allowance is gone.

wow

that is a serious gap between new entrants and current serving members

Zadie10 · 20-12-2013 09:46PM

TheNog wrote: »

Got chatting to one of my GRA reps. Rent allowance is gone. He thought new members are to be on 10% reduced pay but looks like he is wrong on that one. Also pension for new members is to be calculated over their entire service pay rather than the current situation of being calculated over the last 2-3 yrs of service (I'm not entirely sure how many yrs but its close enough). This will effect the lump sum paid on retirement for new members.

Bit of a joke I think. Too many cons and not enough pros tbh

Thanks for that. My other half is a guard too and he thinks the new pay rates are a completely ridiculous. I'd never choose a job solely for the money but you have to be able to survive!

HighburyLad · 21-12-2013 01:01AM

Holy crap! no rent allowance?! Dublin is apparently where serious numbers are needed, if that is true, how are you to afford rent or accommodation in Dublin, all your wages goes on rent alone lol, this is when people are forced into taking bribes from criminals just to survive, not saying that anyone will but this is when temptation can take over, just to cover the necessity of living, the London met has had problems apparently like this before because of the extortionate living expenses and lack of pay, again just surmising

DesertCreat_15 · 21-12-2013 01:37AM

HighburyLad wrote: »

Holy crap! no rent allowance?! Dublin is apparently where serious numbers are needed, if that is true, how are you to afford rent or accommodation in Dublin, all your wages goes on rent alone lol, this is when people are forced into taking bribes from criminals just to survive, not saying that anyone will but this is when temptation can take over, just to cover the necessity of living, the London met has had problems apparently like this before because of the extortionate living expenses and lack of pay, again just surmising

Not as bad when you share a house with a few colleagues for a year or two! Get the foot in the ladder together and it'll work out a lot cheaper, if you were willing to travel half an hour out of Dub you'd be in a more manageable scale of rent. if you prefer your own pad!

msg11 · 21-12-2013 01:49AM

HighburyLad wrote: »

Holy crap! no rent allowance?! Dublin is apparently where serious numbers are needed, if that is true, how are you to afford rent or accommodation in Dublin, all your wages goes on rent alone lol, this is when people are forced into taking bribes from criminals just to survive, not saying that anyone will but this is when temptation can take over, just to cover the necessity of living, the London met has had problems apparently like this before because of the extortionate living expenses and lack of pay, again just surmising

That's if criminals want to give out bribes. The new pay is a bit ridiculous then again back when I started in Tesco the pay was low now its one of the best paying employers. Think in the long term folks, the price of rent in Dublin is not sustainable. Landlords are getting away with it because the banks won't give out mortgages. Something is going to give either the banks or the landlords and considering the banks fund the landlords, all the pressure for money on the tenant. The landlords going to have to reduce the rates or they'll have an empty house.

Pappa Charlie · 21-12-2013 02:23AM

msg11 wrote: »

That's if criminals want to give out bribes. The new pay is a bit ridiculous then again back when I started in Tesco the pay was low now its one of the best paying employers. Think in the long term folks, the price of rent in Dublin is not sustainable. Landlords are getting away with it because the banks won't give out mortgages. Something is going to give either the banks or the landlords and considering the banks fund the landlords, all the pressure for money on the tenant. The landlords going to have to reduce the rates or they'll have an empty house.

The pay is ****e but get the foot in the door and in the job, you will then be in the Gra and part of the union. I would bet my life that as the economy grows the government will bring pay up to current levels and even those levels will rise also. Anyone pulling back over pay is a fool, if it what you want go do it, the pay will sort its self out!

Santa Cruz · 21-12-2013 10:20AM

Pappa Charlie wrote: »

The pay is ****e but get the foot in the door and in the job, you will then be in the Gra and part of the union. I would bet my life that as the economy grows the government will bring pay up to current levels and even those levels will rise also. Anyone pulling back over pay is a fool, if it what you want go do it, the pay will sort its self out!

The G.R.A. is not a union and have no right to strike. The new conditions are here to stay. If you are waiting for the economy to recover enough to bring Garda Pay back to what it was you will be waiting a while.
People will have to get serious about this desire to be a Garda and examine the practicalities. Look at the pay scales, cost of accommodation, transport etc. and see what you get in the wage packet each week. A lot of the applicants will be fairly disillusioned very soon.

Zadie10 · 21-12-2013 11:37AM

Pappa Charlie wrote: »

Anyone pulling back over pay is a fool

If they have a mortgage to pay and kids to feed then they are just being realistic.

Pappa Charlie · 21-12-2013 01:02PM

Santa Cruz wrote: »

The G.R.A. is not a union and have no right to strike. The new conditions are here to stay. If you are waiting for the economy to recover enough to bring Garda Pay back to what it was you will be waiting a while.
People will have to get serious about this desire to be a Garda and examine the practicalities. Look at the pay scales, cost of accommodation, transport etc. and see what you get in the wage packet each week. A lot of the applicants will be fairly disillusioned very soon.

They are just as powerful when it comes down to it and it was the gardai and in particular the AGSI who walked out of Croke park 2 when other groups broke rank and got weak in the face of government bullying. If it's all about the money for you then it's probally not the job for you anyway. The same variables apply to every job and this isn't the first recession I've seen!

Santa Cruz · 21-12-2013 02:25PM

Pappa Charlie wrote: »

They are just as powerful when it comes down to it and it was the gardai and in particular the AGSI who walked out of Croke park 2 when other groups broke rank and got weak in the face of government bullying. If it's all about the money for you then it's probally not the job for you anyway. The same variables apply to every job and this isn't the first recession I've seen!

Croke Park 2 isn't putting any money in the Gardaí's pockets. They are actually working some days for nothing. Don't be codding yourself thinking that the G.R.A. will lead anyone out on strike for better pay. That day is well and truly gone. The rates of pay for Gardaí are gone back to 1996 levels while like everyone lese they are being hit with property taxes, USC, water rates etc.
It was the Northern situation that forced the various Governments and their fear of the I.R.A. campaign really spreading South to pay the Gardaí well through basic pay and overtime. Without that they would still be back in the 1960s

carzony · 21-12-2013 02:55PM

Pappa Charlie wrote: »

I would bet my life that as the economy grows the government will bring pay up to current levels and even those levels will rise also. Anyone pulling back over pay is a fool, if it what you want go do it, the pay will sort its self out!

pay won't increase properly for 3 years atleast. Sure there's 9 billion intrest to pay back in 2014. As people said before there is only a recruitment to make the goverment look good so they can say ''we recruited more garda''.

I doubt you would have joined for pay like that? with no over time and a lot less garda to fall back on.

I agree, If you love your job then the money is just a bonus but come on. IMO This is just taking advantage of new recruits..

lukesmom · 21-12-2013 03:06PM

Pappa Charlie wrote: »

The pay is ****e but get the foot in the door and in the job, you will then be in the Gra and part of the union. I would bet my life that as the economy grows the government will bring pay up to current levels and even those levels will rise also. Anyone pulling back over pay is a fool, if it what you want go do it, the pay will sort its self out!

Hey I applied but I'm bowing out due to the awful pay and I take offence to the fact of you calling me a fool. I'm not a fool, I'm being realistic. There is no point in me up scuttling myself away from my husband and 3 children for that salary. Not to mention the lack of rent allowance, it just wouldn't make sense for me to.

Pappa Charlie · 21-12-2013 03:17PM

lukesmom wrote: »

Hey I applied but I'm bowing out due to the awful pay and I take offence to the fact of you calling me a fool. I'm not a fool, I'm being realistic. There is no point in me up scuttling myself away from my husband and 3 children for that salary. Not to mention the lack of rent allowance, it just wouldn't make sense for me to.

That's fine if your happy at what you are at, however by and large a person with 3 kids and a partner is generally facilitated when it comes to being stationed within driving distance of home, HR generally don't like splitting up families bad and all as as they can be. I think you are short sighted, however each to their own!

Pappa Charlie · 21-12-2013 03:24PM

Santa Cruz wrote: »

Croke Park 2 isn't putting any money in the Gardaí's pockets. They are actually working some days for nothing. Don't be codding yourself thinking that the G.R.A. will lead anyone out on strike for better pay. That day is well and truly gone. The rates of pay for Gardaí are gone back to 1996 levels while like everyone lese they are being hit with property taxes, USC, water rates etc.
It was the Northern situation that forced the various Governments and their fear of the I.R.A. campaign really spreading South to pay the Gardaí well through basic pay and overtime. Without that they would still be back in the 1960s

There would have been a lot less in everyone's pocket if the government hadn't been challenged by the GRA or AGSI, I get the sence on this forum that some people don't think they are going to make the cut and are now trying to find excuses for not applying. The job has changed repeatedly since I joined in the mid 90's and I've seen overtime come and go. It's either for you or not but don't anyone think they are going to be rich on a garda's wage!

mycro89 · 21-12-2013 03:45PM

A lot of negative comments here lately, I think some people are only addressing the negatives to put others off applying and behind it all those with the negative comments will be in my opinion going forward themselves as candidates!! Can we stay positive about it all!!

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