Garda Recruitment- The Waiting to Apply Room

TheNog · 20-12-2013 03:55PM

lukesmom wrote: »

Well here is one less person going for it! I didn't realise how bloody awful the pay was going to be. I am not going to up scuttle myself away from my children and husband for what is a laughable rate of pay. Yes the job interests me greatly but from now on I will watch CSI and perhaps pretend I'm one of them by using my imagination. But that is the only detective work I will be involved in unfortunately.

It used to be a good job, a good career. But it's nowhere near as attractive as it used to be in my opinion. I wish you all, everyone of you the very best of luck and I sincerely mean that.

Are you talking about the pay rate for student Gardai or probationer Gardai?

I can't see how earning about 35k as a probationer and getting a 2.5k rise after 22 wks which will bring you closer to 40k is considered poor pay.

want2b · 20-12-2013 04:13PM

TheNog wrote: »

Are you talking about the pay rate for student Gardai or probationer Gardai?

I can't see how earning about 35k as a probationer and getting a 2.5k rise after 22 wks which will bring you closer to 40k is considered poor pay.

Where are you getting 35k from?

Scouser · 20-12-2013 04:13PM

TheNog wrote: »

Are you talking about the pay rate for student Gardai or probationer Gardai?

I can't see how earning about 35k as a probationer and getting a 2.5k rise after 22 wks which will bring you closer to 40k is considered poor pay.

any chance you would break down these figures!?

sounds well in excess of what is printed and expected!

slingerz · 20-12-2013 04:37PM

tbf TheNog is better placed than most to know about pay. he's probably taking into account allowances and standard overtime that would be accrued.

TheNog · 20-12-2013 05:35PM

Scouser wrote: »

any chance you would break down these figures!?

sounds well in excess of what is printed and expected!

On attestation a probationer receives €27,100 + €4,000 rent allowance + unsocial allowances + you will most probably pick up some OT = approx 35k.

All of the figures above are before tax of course. You can find the salary on

http://gra.cc/payscales.shtml.

Scouser · 20-12-2013 05:44PM

TheNog wrote: »

On attestation a probationer receives €27,100 + €4,000 rent allowance + unsocial allowances + you will most probably pick up some OT = approx 35k.

All of the figures above are before tax of course. You can find the salary on

http://gra.cc/payscales.shtml.

the GRA payscales are incorrect/have not been updated

new Gardai are on 20% less than what was previously agreed

the starting salary for this round of recruits will be just over 23K

and we are unsure if rent allowance has survived the cutbacks etc

djor88 · 20-12-2013 05:45PM

TheNog wrote: »

On attestation a probationer receives €27,100 + €4,000 rent allowance + unsocial allowances + you will most probably pick up some OT = approx 35k.

All of the figures above are before tax of course. You can find the salary on

http://gra.cc/payscales.shtml.

"1ST SEPTEMBER 2008 - 1ST JANUARY 2011", these will be revised i'd imagine for the new members, they've said they're looking at allowances and I'd say there's no way that members will be on those wages.

TheNog · 20-12-2013 06:46PM

Scouser wrote: »

the GRA payscales are incorrect/have not been updated

new Gardai are on 20% less than what was previously agreed

the starting salary for this round of recruits will be just over 23K

and we are unsure if rent allowance has survived the cutbacks etc

Is it confirmed in regards to the 20% reduced pay? I know that's what happened recruiting 1,000 nurses with only about 40 people applying. There was talk about new Gardai on less pay but all I heard is talk. The same with rent allowance.

Has anyone confirmed with HR if these cuts are in place? I wouldn't be relying on hearsay tbh. It was reported in the media we will be receiving patrol cars before the end of this year but that is not happening. There was also discussion of accelerating the training phases in Trmplemore but that isn't being talked about either.

Scouser · 20-12-2013 06:52PM

TheNog wrote: »

Is it confirmed in regards to the 20% reduced pay? I know that's what happened recruiting 1,000 nurses with only about 40 people applying. There was talk about new Gardai on less pay but all I heard is talk. The same with rent allowance.

Has anyone confirmed with HR if these cuts are in place? I wouldn't be relying on hearsay tbh. It was reported in the media we will be receiving patrol cars before the end of this year but that is not happening. There was also discussion of accelerating the training phases in Trmplemore but that isn't being talked about either.

yes the 23k was printed in the applicant booklet on Public Jobs

http://www.publicjobs.ie/publicjobs/campaignAdvert/9112/booklet.htm

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Zadie10 · 20-12-2013 07:15PM

TheNog wrote: »

Is it confirmed in regards to the 20% reduced pay? I know that's what happened recruiting 1,000 nurses with only about 40 people applying. There was talk about new Gardai on less pay but all I heard is talk. The same with rent allowance.

Has anyone confirmed with HR if these cuts are in place? I wouldn't be relying on hearsay tbh. It was reported in the media we will be receiving patrol cars before the end of this year but that is not happening. There was also discussion of accelerating the training phases in Trmplemore but that isn't being talked about either.

Yeah its confirmed, also the shorter training is confirmed as 32 weeks in Templemore. There is no mention of rent allowance in the handbook either so think thats still undecided.

DesertCreat_15 · 20-12-2013 07:29PM

For those who can't access the document or purely can't be arsed...

The COPS Notes for Applicants wrote:

The pay of all public servants is determined by the Minister of Public Expenditure and Reform in consultation with relevant parties. In addition, the Haddington Road Agreement provides for a review of the Garda Síochána including the „remuneration and conditions of service of An Garda Síochána’.
The rates of pay and allowances are therefore indicative and are therefore subject to change.

Garda Trainees will receive an allowance of €184 per week for the 32 weeks leading to attestation.

On appointment to the Service, a Probationer Garda will be paid €23,171 rising by increments to a maximum of €45,793 per annum after 19 years (October, 2013 rates). Members of the Service may also qualify for other allowances.

Hooch · 20-12-2013 07:40PM

New recruits are on 20% less but rejoin the normal Garda Pay scale after two years. The GRA pay scale in pink is accurate for presently serving members. Add two years onto that for new recruits.

Rent allowance is gone for new members as per the review this year. The GRA are fighting to have it included into core pay. As already mentioned by thenog it is core pay and shouldn't be treated as an allowance. As of now rent allowance is gone however I would expect that next year, if and when it is taken into core pay, new recruits pay will rise alongside those already serving.

Scouser · 20-12-2013 07:48PM

Hooch wrote: »

New recruits are on 20% less but rejoin the normal Garda Pay scale after two years. The GRA pay scale in pink is accurate for presently serving members. Add two years onto that for new recruits.

Rent allowance is gone for new members as per the review this year. The GRA are fighting to have it included into core pay. As already mentioned by thenog it is core pay and shouldn't be treated as an allowance. As of now rent allowance is gone however I would expect that next year, if and when it is taken into core pay, new recruits pay will rise alongside those already serving.

the pay situation is borderline criminal!

Zadie10 · 20-12-2013 07:56PM

Scouser wrote: »

the pay situation is borderline criminal!

Its shocking!!! It's the only job I've wanted to do for years, but with my mortgage I now dont know if I could afford to. And considering that new recruits will most likely be sent to Dublin, you have to consider the cost of rent there. Its also sickening that applicants are expected to jump through so many hoops for that salary!

Scouser · 20-12-2013 08:07PM

Zadie10 wrote: »

Its shocking!!! It's the only job I've wanted to do for years, but with my mortgage I now dont know if I could afford to. And considering that new recruits will most likely be sent to Dublin, you have to consider the cost of rent there. Its also sickening that applicants are expected to jump through so many hoops for that salary!

there are so many hoops because their are so many applicants

simple as

carzony · 20-12-2013 08:08PM

Scouser wrote: »

there are so many hoops because their are so many applicants

simple as

I wonder how many applicants have been put off by the new pay..

Scouser · 20-12-2013 08:10PM

carzony wrote: »

I wonder how many applicants have been put off by the new pay..

be interesting to see!! not many i would imagine

i would love to know how many applications have been sumbitted so far

carzony · 20-12-2013 08:28PM

Scouser wrote: »

be interesting to see!! not many i would imagine

i would love to know how many applications have been sumbitted so far

I say the opposite. I'd say a good few have been put off. I'v certaintly been put off for the next few years anyway.

Scouser · 20-12-2013 08:30PM

carzony wrote: »

I say the opposite. I'd say a good few have been put off. I'v certaintly been put off for the next few years anyway.

so your not applying?

carzony · 20-12-2013 08:53PM

Scouser wrote: »

so your not applying?

I'm Not applying, But for several different reasons not just because of the pay.

TheNog · 20-12-2013 10:29PM

Zadie10 wrote: »

Yeah its confirmed, also the shorter training is confirmed as 32 weeks in Templemore. There is no mention of rent allowance in the handbook either so think thats still undecided.

Got chatting to one of my GRA reps. Rent allowance is gone. He thought new members are to be on 10% reduced pay but looks like he is wrong on that one. Also pension for new members is to be calculated over their entire service pay rather than the current situation of being calculated over the last 2-3 yrs of service (I'm not entirely sure how many yrs but its close enough). This will effect the lump sum paid on retirement for new members.

Bit of a joke I think. Too many cons and not enough pros tbh

Scouser · 20-12-2013 10:33PM

TheNog wrote: »

Got chatting to one of my GRA reps. Rent allowance is gone.

wow

that is a serious gap between new entrants and current serving members

Zadie10 · 20-12-2013 10:46PM

TheNog wrote: »

Got chatting to one of my GRA reps. Rent allowance is gone. He thought new members are to be on 10% reduced pay but looks like he is wrong on that one. Also pension for new members is to be calculated over their entire service pay rather than the current situation of being calculated over the last 2-3 yrs of service (I'm not entirely sure how many yrs but its close enough). This will effect the lump sum paid on retirement for new members.

Bit of a joke I think. Too many cons and not enough pros tbh

Thanks for that. My other half is a guard too and he thinks the new pay rates are a completely ridiculous. I'd never choose a job solely for the money but you have to be able to survive!

HighburyLad · 21-12-2013 02:01AM

Holy crap! no rent allowance?! Dublin is apparently where serious numbers are needed, if that is true, how are you to afford rent or accommodation in Dublin, all your wages goes on rent alone lol, this is when people are forced into taking bribes from criminals just to survive, not saying that anyone will but this is when temptation can take over, just to cover the necessity of living, the London met has had problems apparently like this before because of the extortionate living expenses and lack of pay, again just surmising

DesertCreat_15 · 21-12-2013 02:37AM

HighburyLad wrote: »

Holy crap! no rent allowance?! Dublin is apparently where serious numbers are needed, if that is true, how are you to afford rent or accommodation in Dublin, all your wages goes on rent alone lol, this is when people are forced into taking bribes from criminals just to survive, not saying that anyone will but this is when temptation can take over, just to cover the necessity of living, the London met has had problems apparently like this before because of the extortionate living expenses and lack of pay, again just surmising

Not as bad when you share a house with a few colleagues for a year or two! Get the foot in the ladder together and it'll work out a lot cheaper, if you were willing to travel half an hour out of Dub you'd be in a more manageable scale of rent. if you prefer your own pad!

msg11 · 21-12-2013 02:49AM

HighburyLad wrote: »

Holy crap! no rent allowance?! Dublin is apparently where serious numbers are needed, if that is true, how are you to afford rent or accommodation in Dublin, all your wages goes on rent alone lol, this is when people are forced into taking bribes from criminals just to survive, not saying that anyone will but this is when temptation can take over, just to cover the necessity of living, the London met has had problems apparently like this before because of the extortionate living expenses and lack of pay, again just surmising

That's if criminals want to give out bribes. The new pay is a bit ridiculous then again back when I started in Tesco the pay was low now its one of the best paying employers. Think in the long term folks, the price of rent in Dublin is not sustainable. Landlords are getting away with it because the banks won't give out mortgages. Something is going to give either the banks or the landlords and considering the banks fund the landlords, all the pressure for money on the tenant. The landlords going to have to reduce the rates or they'll have an empty house.

Pappa Charlie · 21-12-2013 03:23AM

msg11 wrote: »

That's if criminals want to give out bribes. The new pay is a bit ridiculous then again back when I started in Tesco the pay was low now its one of the best paying employers. Think in the long term folks, the price of rent in Dublin is not sustainable. Landlords are getting away with it because the banks won't give out mortgages. Something is going to give either the banks or the landlords and considering the banks fund the landlords, all the pressure for money on the tenant. The landlords going to have to reduce the rates or they'll have an empty house.

The pay is ****e but get the foot in the door and in the job, you will then be in the Gra and part of the union. I would bet my life that as the economy grows the government will bring pay up to current levels and even those levels will rise also. Anyone pulling back over pay is a fool, if it what you want go do it, the pay will sort its self out!

Santa Cruz · 21-12-2013 11:20AM

Pappa Charlie wrote: »

The pay is ****e but get the foot in the door and in the job, you will then be in the Gra and part of the union. I would bet my life that as the economy grows the government will bring pay up to current levels and even those levels will rise also. Anyone pulling back over pay is a fool, if it what you want go do it, the pay will sort its self out!

The G.R.A. is not a union and have no right to strike. The new conditions are here to stay. If you are waiting for the economy to recover enough to bring Garda Pay back to what it was you will be waiting a while.
People will have to get serious about this desire to be a Garda and examine the practicalities. Look at the pay scales, cost of accommodation, transport etc. and see what you get in the wage packet each week. A lot of the applicants will be fairly disillusioned very soon.

Zadie10 · 21-12-2013 12:37PM

Pappa Charlie wrote: »

Anyone pulling back over pay is a fool

If they have a mortgage to pay and kids to feed then they are just being realistic.

Pappa Charlie · 21-12-2013 02:02PM

Santa Cruz wrote: »

The G.R.A. is not a union and have no right to strike. The new conditions are here to stay. If you are waiting for the economy to recover enough to bring Garda Pay back to what it was you will be waiting a while.
People will have to get serious about this desire to be a Garda and examine the practicalities. Look at the pay scales, cost of accommodation, transport etc. and see what you get in the wage packet each week. A lot of the applicants will be fairly disillusioned very soon.

They are just as powerful when it comes down to it and it was the gardai and in particular the AGSI who walked out of Croke park 2 when other groups broke rank and got weak in the face of government bullying. If it's all about the money for you then it's probally not the job for you anyway. The same variables apply to every job and this isn't the first recession I've seen!

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