Is it irresponsible for families on the dole to have more than 2 kids

zcorpian88 · 18-12-2013 01:30AM

Johnny Electricity wrote: »

What were you doing, lurking in the bushes?

Nah, all I got to do is walk by the house, giant telly on the wall in the sitting room, too hard to miss!

Stained Class · 18-12-2013 01:32AM

Reekwind wrote: »

I'll tell you what I've never done, I've never claimed €130 per month to raise a child in this country. Have you? In which case, how on earth can you justify the state giving you a helping hand yet ignoring someone in a worse financial situation?

Again, the double standards are remarkable. Welfare to the middle class: good. Welfare to the unemployed or working poor: bad. And you suggest that I'm drunk or somehow cheating the state?

(And for the record: yes, I "work for a decent works pay" [sic]. The difference is that I don't think that makes me a better class of citizen or gives me the right to sneer at others)

Well, I don't know your situation. I've outlined mine at the outset of this thread & you haven't.

All you're doing is nitpicking.

You don't have a leg to stand on.

Mountainsandh · 18-12-2013 01:32AM

Johnny Electricity wrote: »

I don't believe those stories. The only way it's possible is if their scamming the system.

Unfortunately it is true, i see a lot of that myself, again, via job, not hearsay. It really is not uncommon.

apollo8 · 18-12-2013 01:33AM

zcorpian88 wrote: »

Totally true and have seen it, big feckin sky dish on the wall and can hear the Dad of the house inside shouting at a football match on Sky Sports to make it worse!

The price of sly per month is about one night in a pub

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy · 18-12-2013 01:34AM

zcorpian88 wrote: »

Nah, all I got to do is walk by the house, giant telly on the wall in the sitting room, too hard to miss!

Right so.

Give us some background, has daddy of the house ever worked, might he have lost a job where he bought his 60inch plasma out of his hard earned wages, recently laid off, yet still locked into his sky contract? Or is he a career dole-head, gets an exceptional needs payment off the CWO to meet the monthly broadband payment?

wolfpawnat · 18-12-2013 01:35AM

I have a 35 a month sky package. I don't drink, smoke, go out for an evening, go to the cinema, and I pay a tv licence, so I feel I should have one little comfort. No movies or sport packages though. I'm not a píss taker.

jobeenfitz · 18-12-2013 01:36AM

Specialun wrote: »

How is it none of your business when their on benefit to which your tax pays

Yes a portion of my tax goes towards this I'm sure. Don't see how it follows I have any right to tell anybody how many children to have or not.
I think China had some similar policy which caused lots of baby murdering.
I am not that arrogant to dictate to others just because I pay tax.

wolfpawnat · 18-12-2013 01:38AM

Gatling wrote: »

Who's paying you or the tax payer

The taxpayer, for now. I am not a career dole monkey. I am merely getting by until the very near future. I am doing a course online while my partner finishes a degree with high employment prospects. One or both of us will more than likely be employed by xmas 2014.

I await your lambasting of me and your ridicule.

Gatling · 18-12-2013 01:39AM

jobeenfitz wrote: »

Yes a portion of my tax goes towards this I'm sure. Don't see how it follows I have any right to tell anybody how many children to have or not.
I think China had some similar policy which caused lots of baby murdering.
I am not that arrogant to dictate to others just because I pay tax.

What people are saying you shouldn't be having 6+ kids just because welfare is paying for everything,

Gatling · 18-12-2013 01:40AM

wolfpawnat wrote: »

The taxpayer, for now. I am not a career dole monkey. I am merely getting by until the very near future. I am doing a course online while my partner finishes a degree with high employment prospects. One or both of us will more than likely be employed by xmas 2014.

I await your lambasting of me and your ridicule.

My apologies chap I had deleted the post / didn't mean to cause offence

Stained Class · 18-12-2013 01:41AM

Johnny Electricity wrote: »

The last thing I'd ever try and do is raise a family on welfare, it'd be my idea of hell.

Some people seem do be doing well out of it.

Mind you, I'd feel sorry for the (loads of) kids they have.

What chance have they?

Reekwind · 18-12-2013 01:42AM

Stained Class wrote: »

Well, I don't know your situation. I've outlined mine at the outset of this thread & you haven't.

You don't have a leg to stand on.

Does this make sense to anyone? Would my logic be less valid if I was on the dole or a banker? Do we have to exchange bank details to lend credibility to our positions? Or are you just backing away from an indefensibly bad piece of logic?

Seriously, I think you bang on about "entitlement", much like your initial complaint, because there's absolutely nothing of substance to your argument. There's not even a real argument - just a general moaning that people who don't have a job have it easy. You've raised kids using state money and now you're scrabbling around trying to rationalise why someone who doesn't have your slender advantages shouldn't be allowed to do the same

You've not responded in a coherent way to any of my posts because you can't. Hence the sneering and 'holier than thou' nonsense in lieu of an actual argument. God, you better hope that I'm not on the dole - otherwise this would be a pretty embarrassing demonstration as to how it's not the unemployed who are knuckle-dragging morons

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy · 18-12-2013 01:43AM

Stained Class wrote: »

Some people seem do be doing well out of it.

Mind you, I'd feel sorry for the (loads of) kids they have.

What chance have they?

Depends on the child. My best friend had a rough, unstable childhood by anyone's standards yet he's a qualified chartered engineer now.

Femme_Fatale · 18-12-2013 01:43AM

Taxes taxes taxes. What about the kids born into these situations, who rarely get focused on? Improved chances for those kids should surely be the main priority.

(In before hackneyed Maud Flanders quote).

zcorpian88 · 18-12-2013 01:44AM

Johnny Electricity wrote: »

Right so.

Give us some background, has daddy of the house ever worked, might he have lost a job where he bought his 60inch plasma out of his hard earned wages, recently laid off, yet still locked into his sky contract? Or is he a career dole-head, gets an exceptional needs payment off the CWO to meet the monthly broadband payment?

Ok, he has never worked, 6 kids, most under 7 years old I would say and a 9/10 year old. The wife doesn't work either. They live in an estate near mine, way nicer estate mind you.

Also had a relative of his live beside me, he had 4 kids and himself and the missus didn't work and managed to keep a car on the road. Sky and broadband, wife was a fierce loudmouth going down to another neighbours house with a bag of drink every weekend. Used to wake me a lot during the day too the whole time when I had to work nights for a bit, charming woman, glad they moved! Probably got a way nicer place no doubt!

apollo8 · 18-12-2013 01:45AM

Specialun wrote: »

Says the buachaill who called me an a$$hole right off the bat

Oh you were serious in OP ok then whats less than an asshhole are you a troll or a plain oul asshole

Mountainsandh · 18-12-2013 01:47AM

Babies need not be murdered if they are not conceived. The women I know who are constantly pregnant would have a pretty good idea on how to not get pregnant by now. Yet, 6 babies later, possibly with yet another partner, they decide to "go again".
The children usually suffer in these situations, it's really not just about finances.

wolfpawnat · 18-12-2013 01:48AM

Gatling wrote: »

My apologies chap I had deleted the post / didn't mean to cause offence

No worries. I get sick of being called a dosser and a dole monkey. We are just trying to better ourselves and get back on the working side of things.

I know there are so many taking the píss, especially regarding having children and not a working bone in their body. I see it every day, especially in the dole queue once a month. I can barely get by, we pay our bills, we don't even get a medical card (I feel left out there) but every month there is nothing extra in the bank. I can't see how anyone would want to bring kids into this electively.

My son is 4 and he is telling me he wants to be an animal doctor like daddy but in an office (a department job, kid is smart) when he is finished "big boy school" by seeing his dad strive for something every day, we are instilling a work ethic in him already. I tell him he has to work hard, that it's not easy. He sits at the table every night to do his homework, he was sick and wanted to go to school because he wants to go to "Big boy school" (UCD).

I heard a mother tell her daughter from his class she probably would never be a vet as it is a lot of work. What sort of thing is that to tell a child? Telling them to not even bother. It really písses me off. That is just breeding the next generation of layabouts.

Ruu · 18-12-2013 01:52AM

No, we wont be doing this here.

Is it irresponsible for families on the dole to have more than 2 kids

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