Is it irresponsible for families on the dole to have more than 2 kids

apollo8 · 18-12-2013 01:07AM

Specialun wrote: »

I was listening to this debate on 4fm last night

I agree that families on the dole should be more responsible and not just have large families when they are dependent on the state to live

Accidents happen but for cases where families are on benefit for a long period and continue to have kids then i think they should be looked at

What do you think AH?

****grabs popcorn ****

Having read the charter i feel safe iin saying you re a total arsehole

wolfpawnat · 18-12-2013 01:07AM

At the moment we have two kids and on the dole, this time last year we got the shock of our lives to find out I was pregnant. I was pregnant with no1 while working and in college. I didn't want a kid in this situation. Daddy is qualified next year in a career with good employment prospects. I cannot understand why anyone would actively choose to have kids while on the dole and live that life for the rest of their lives. We are scraping by by the skin of our teeth. Xmas will be pathetic and we are doing everything we can to try and get by. Why the hell would anyone bring any child electively into that existence, much less more than 2!

Reekwind · 18-12-2013 01:08AM

You know what, let's turn this around. Isn't it highly irresponsible for someone who can afford to have children to still be claiming €130 a month per child from the state? Isn't that exactly the sort of gombeen behaviour that we regularly decry in these threads?

Or is this just another snobbish whinge about the perceived excesses of the poor and how they don't deserve the same rights as you and I?

Cookie_Monster · 18-12-2013 01:09AM

it's irresponsible for anyone to have more than 2 kids in the modern world given the global population, never mind their economic situation.

Stained Class · 18-12-2013 01:09AM

Sh1tbag OToole wrote: »

The whole system is pretty much set up to make sure working people with wife and kids will always be just scraping by. I dont envy you but at the same time I dontthink there should be a cap on the number of kids you can have just because you're on the dole. Not everyone on the dole is a waster

Sooooo....... Eventually we have a country full of wasters entitled to be entitled....

Paw out for everything.

Grand while it lasts.

Specialun · 18-12-2013 01:09AM

apollo8 wrote: »

Having read the charter i feel safe iin saying you re a total arsehole

Why so?

apollo8 · 18-12-2013 01:12AM

Reekwind wrote: »

You know what, let's turn this around. Isn't it highly irresponsible for someone who can afford to have children to still be claiming €130 a month per child from the state? Isn't that exactly the sort of gombeen behaviour that we regularly decry in these threads?

Or is this just another snobbish whinge about the perceived excesses of the poor and how they don't deserve the same rights as you and I?

YYay:mad:

Reekwind · 18-12-2013 01:12AM

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

it's irresponsible for anyone to have more than 2 kids in the modern world given the global population, never mind their economic situation.

If you're under 30 then there's a very good chance that you'll regret those words when you're still working at 75 because there's a lack of young workers paying into your pension fund. Ask Japan how pleasant that looming demographic time bomb is

Renegade Mechanic · 18-12-2013 01:12AM

At the risk of a backlash....
If you cant feed them, don't breed them. Obviously a large family can happen upon hard times. Theyre not what Im talking about. I mean a couple with a kid who find themselves on the dole. Just... take more care, responsibility even. I wouldnt want to have a child while on the dole. Id much rather ensure the financial means to provide for it beforehand.

wexie · 18-12-2013 01:13AM

Reekwind wrote: »

If you're under 30 then there's a very good chance that you'll regret those words when you're still working at 75 because there's a lack of young workers paying into your pension fund. Ask Japan how pleasant that looming demographic time bomb is

you're assuming that these kids, raised on the dole, will actually end up working and paying taxes.....

who knows, you might even be right in some cases.

Femme_Fatale · 18-12-2013 01:14AM

_Redzer_ wrote: »

True, but if that happens 5 times you're seriously taking the piss

Specialun wrote: »

Accidents can happen for 1 or maybe 2 children...but for 3,4 or. 5 kids it would mean their as accident prone as mr bean

Thought Redzer meant people shouldn't have children they can't afford, under any circumstances.

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

At the risk of a backlash....
If you cant feed them, don't breed them. Obviously a large family can happen upon hard times. Theyre not what Im talking about. I mean a couple with a kid who find themselves on the dole. Just... take more care, responsibility even. I wouldnt want to have a child while on the dole. Id much rather ensure the financial means to provide for it beforehand.

But we know that - it's not of any relevance when the children are here though.

Sh1tbag OToole · 18-12-2013 01:14AM

Stained Class wrote: »

Sooooo....... Eventually we have a country full of wasters entitled to be entitled....

Paw out for everything.

Grand while it lasts.

Wasting is a disease that gets passed down the generations with a 100% success rate?

In a few years all jobs will be done by robots so it doesnt matter too much if it is

Stained Class · 18-12-2013 01:17AM

Reekwind wrote: »

If you're under 30 then there's a very good chance that you'll regret those words when you're still working at 75 because there's a lack of young workers paying into your pension fund. Ask Japan how pleasant that looming demographic time bomb is

Reekwind. Go home. You're drunk!

Either that, you've never worked for a decent works pay in your life!:mad:

apollo8 · 18-12-2013 01:18AM

Specialun wrote: »

Why so?

Says a lot about your maturity that you would ask

Femme_Fatale · 18-12-2013 01:18AM

Stained Class wrote: »

Reekwind. Go home. You're drunk!

Either that, you've never worked for a decent works pay in your life!:mad:

How did you come to that conclusion?

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy · 18-12-2013 01:20AM

I've spent short periods on the dole and I have no idea how even a single bloke gets by. I had to decide between paying for groceries, light/heat, mortgage, car loan, credit card. I could probably pick 2 maybe 3 each week.

The last thing I'd ever try and do is raise a family on welfare, it'd be my idea of hell.

StephTomas1 · 18-12-2013 01:20AM

Its just lazy on the parents having children they cant provide for, I know alot of mams who live of the labour with 2-4 kids but wouldn't bother getting a job.. JOKE

apollo8 · 18-12-2013 01:21AM

wexie wrote: »

you're assuming that these kids, raised on the dole, will actually end up working and paying taxes.....

who knows, you might even be right in some cases.

cheap shot

Radiosonde · 18-12-2013 01:21AM

This thread needs a post about that family down the road who spend their child benefit on a Sky subscription and three foreign holidays a year.

Stained Class · 18-12-2013 01:22AM

Sh1tbag OToole wrote: »

Wasting is a disease that gets passed down the generations with a 100% success rate?

In a few years all jobs will be done by robots so it doesnt matter too much if it is

They said that 30 years ago & yet we had full employment here 5 years ago.

We just need to play to our own avantages here.

Easy education, English speaking, Tax breaks, etc..

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy · 18-12-2013 01:22AM

Radiosonde wrote: »

This thread needs a post about that family down the road who spend their child benefit on a Sky subscription and three foreign holidays a year.

I don't believe those stories. The only way it's possible is if their scamming the system.

Femme_Fatale · 18-12-2013 01:22AM

The Niall Boylan show btw is the runt offspring of Liveline. It's utter rabble-rousing troll radio. The most inflammatory, polarising and simplistic topics are brought up in order to cause a sh1t-storm, and the stupidest, most hateful callers take the bait and are put on air.

Specialun · 18-12-2013 01:23AM

apollo8 wrote: »

Says a lot about your maturity that you would ask

Says the buachaill who called me an a$$hole right off the bat

Reekwind · 18-12-2013 01:24AM

Stained Class wrote: »

Reekwind. Go home. You're drunk!

Either that, you've never worked for a decent works pay in your life!:mad:

I'll tell you what I've never done, I've never claimed €130 per month to raise a child in this country. Have you? In which case, how on earth can you justify the state giving you a helping hand yet ignoring someone in a worse financial situation?

Again, the double standards are remarkable. Welfare to the middle class: good. Welfare to the unemployed or working poor: bad. And you suggest that I'm drunk or somehow cheating the state?

(And for the record: yes, I "work for a decent works pay" [sic]. The difference is that I don't think that makes me a better class of citizen or gives me the right to sneer at others)

Stained Class · 18-12-2013 01:24AM

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

How did you come to that conclusion?

That poster bangs of self entitlement.

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy · 18-12-2013 01:26AM

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

The Niall Boylan show btw is the runt offspring of Liveline. It's utter rabble-rousing troll radio. The most inflammatory, polarising and simplistic topics are brought up in order to cause a sh1t-storm, and the stupidest, most hateful callers take the bait and are put on air.

Like a spoken version of After Hours, almost.

zcorpian88 · 18-12-2013 01:27AM

Johnny Electricity wrote: »

I don't believe those stories. The only way it's possible is if their scamming the system.

Totally true and have seen it, big feckin sky dish on the wall and can hear the Dad of the house inside shouting at a football match on Sky Sports to make it worse!

Mountainsandh · 18-12-2013 01:27AM

I think when you actually see the extent of the problem, you become less tolerant. In my job I see it a lot, for real, not hearsay: 8 kids from different dads and more on the way... These are not accidents. Kid number one follows the pattern and gets pregnant simultaneously to Mum, and another family starts.
At the moment I earn less than the dole or just about, Mr Mountains is self employed and hasn't had work in ages, we have 2 kids, and no other help than Child benefit. I had to pay 80 euros to consult a GP for myself and daughter yesterday. Ironically, I pay a lot more than that in USC, to support (amongst other things I hope) the 8 kids unemployed family, with same Cb, but also housing help, medical cards, and numerous other financial top ups.
I agree that there should be some dis-incentives to curb the large, dependant family culture.
Having babies should never be a "career plan" for young girls, it currently is for some.

apollo8 · 18-12-2013 01:28AM

Johnny Electricity wrote: »

I've spent short periods on the dole and I have no idea how even a single bloke gets by. I had to decide between paying for groceries, light/heat, mortgage, car loan, credit card. I could probably pick 2 maybe 3 each week.

The last thing I'd ever try and do is raise a family on welfare, it'd be my idea of hell.

Welll said lets cut the crap about dole famalies having it good hellish more like:mad:

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy · 18-12-2013 01:28AM

zcorpian88 wrote: »

Totally true and have seen it, big feckin sky dish on the wall and can hear the Dad of the house inside shouting at a football match on Sky Sports to make it worse!

What were you doing, lurking in the bushes?

Is it irresponsible for families on the dole to have more than 2 kids

Comments