Is it irresponsible for families on the dole to have more than 2 kids

Specialun

I was listening to this debate on 4fm last night

I agree that families on the dole should be more responsible and not just have large families when they are dependent on the state to live

Accidents happen but for cases where families are on benefit for a long period and continue to have kids then i think they should be looked at

What do you think AH?

****grabs popcorn ****

Sir Arthur Daley

That would be a ecumenical matter.

coolhull

This will end well

DrumSteve

Kill everyone.

kneemos

Lay off the popcorn.

_Redzer_

Shouldn't be having kids you can't afford. Simple as.

Gatling

I know the UK want to cap child benefits at 2 children ,
You'll get if for your first 2 but after that you get nothing which is right ,
One thing having a safety net another thing supporting lifestyles based off 5+ kids

anncoates

Specialun wrote: »

I was listening to this debate on 4fm last night

By debate, you presumably mean a pack of jabbering baboons being goaded to embarrass themselves on air by some identikit simpering South Dublin wannabe?

Reekwind

How strange. All families with children are eligible for child allowance, whether on the dole or not

Sh1tbag OToole

No people should have as many kids as they want.

Every cent thats paid in child benefit is a cent that isnt going to the bondholders

humbert

If the world were a logical place people wouldn't have more kids than they could support. So for people on welfare that would be none.

Temptamperu

Dont say anything about the rampent corruption from those in charge but f**k the poor right?

TeddyTedson

Gatling wrote: »

I know the UK want to cap child benefits at 2 children ,
You'll get if for your first 2 but after that you get nothing which is right ,
One thing having a safety net another thing supporting lifestyles based off 5+ kids

But you can't let the children be neglected because of the parents stupidity.
Maybe have unemployed men castrated if they breed more than one child.

Stained Class

I work. Wifey works too.

Not Mickey Mouse jobs.

We have 2 kids & can just about afford it.

Still, it's grand the way that some people who don't bother working or paying Taxes can breed like Rabbits.

Great country really.

Hilly Bill

If you can't afford to feed then don't breed.

Specialun

Temptamperu wrote: »

Dont say anything about the rampent corruption from those in charge but f**k the poor right?

How is it fooking the poor

Surely you shouldnt look to have what you cant afford no?

Stained Class

Reekwind wrote: »

How strange. All families with children are eligible for child allowance, whether on the dole or not

And rent allowance & medical cards & all the rest..............

Reekwind

Stained Class wrote: »

We have 2 kids & can just about afford it.

Still, it's grand the way that some people who don't bother working or paying Taxes can breed like Rabbits

And what child benefits are they getting that you're not?

EDIT:

And rent allowance & medical cards & all the rest..............

Which they have regardless of the number of children they have. So what you're essentially saying that these people who are in a worse financial situation than you are having the gall to procreate. The bastards

wexie

TeddyTedson wrote: »

But you can't let the children be neglected because of the parents stupidity.
Maybe have unemployed men castrated if they breed more than one child.

hmmm...not a bad idea....

Mandatory chemical sterilisation from age 15. If you haven't had a job by age 25 the whole thing comes off.

I think you're onto something Teddy

Stained Class

Reekwind wrote: »

And what child benefits are they getting that you're not?

Read above.

_Redzer_

wexie wrote: »

hmmm...not a bad idea....

Mandatory chemical sterilisation from age 15. If you haven't had a job by age 25 the whole thing comes off.

I think you're onto something Teddy

We need to invent a tablet to make all humans infertile until you come to a point and want kids so you take another pill to reverse it.

My idea. Patent pending

Femme_Fatale

_Redzer_ wrote: »

Shouldn't be having kids you can't afford. Simple as.

It really isn't. Accidents can happen, and having an abortion, particularly when it requires travelling to another country, isn't something everyone wishes to go through.

No it isn't good for people to have a lot of children they can't afford, but there are never any suggestions as to how this can be curbed.

Cut off benefits - the children (whose fault it isn't) are deprived.
And forced sterilisation - this isn't Saudi Arabia and the reality of such a system would be forcing people into a hospital and restraining them, then carrying out an invasive procedure; it's an idea that's often suggested but not thought through.

_Redzer_

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

It really isn't. Accidents can happen, and having an abortion, particularly when it requires travelling to another country, isn't something everyone wishes to go through.

True, but if that happens 5 times you're seriously taking the piss

wexie

_Redzer_ wrote: »

We need to invent a tablet to make all humans infertile until you come to a point and want kids so you take another pill to reverse it.

My idea. Patent pending

If you could also find some incentive for people to actually take it.....

I'll give you a good idea to help : invent something that makes semen taste of chocolate

jobeenfitz

It really is none of my business how many children other people have, be they rich, poor or somewhere in the middle.

Sh1tbag OToole

Stained Class wrote: »

I work. Wifey works too.

Not Mickey Mouse jobs.

We have 2 kids & can just about afford it.

Still, it's grand the way that some people who don't bother working or paying Taxes can breed like Rabbits.

Great country really.

The whole system is pretty much set up to make sure working people with wife and kids will always be just scraping by. I dont envy you but at the same time I dontthink there should be a cap on the number of kids you can have just because you're on the dole. Not everyone on the dole is a waster

Specialun

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

It really isn't. Accidents can happen, and having an abortion, particularly when it requires travelling to another country, isn't something everyone wishes to go through.

Accidents can happen for 1 or maybe 2 children...but for 3,4 or. 5 kids it would mean their as accident prone as mr bean

Stained Class

Reekwind wrote: »

And what child benefits are they getting that you're not?

EDIT:
Which they have regardless of the number of children they have. So what you're essentially saying that these people who are in a worse financial situation than you are having the gall to procreate. The bastards

Just Don't!

Coll1e

There are many reasons why somebody would choose to have children or not. Its not just an economic decision. Also most unemployed people are not scroungers as many here seem to think and would hope to be back in employment asap.

Specialun

jobeenfitz wrote: »

It really is none of my business how many children other people have, be they rich, poor or somewhere in the middle.

How is it none of your business when their on benefit to which your tax pays

_Redzer_

wexie wrote: »

If you could also find some incentive for people to actually take it.....

I'll give you a good idea to help : invent something that makes semen taste of chocolate

Nah, my tablet is once off, because seriously who wants to be fertile when their in their teens and early twenties? People will be trampling over each other to get them.

I'll be minted

apollo8

Specialun wrote: »

I was listening to this debate on 4fm last night

I agree that families on the dole should be more responsible and not just have large families when they are dependent on the state to live

Accidents happen but for cases where families are on benefit for a long period and continue to have kids then i think they should be looked at

What do you think AH?

****grabs popcorn ****

Having read the charter i feel safe iin saying you re a total arsehole

wolfpawnat

At the moment we have two kids and on the dole, this time last year we got the shock of our lives to find out I was pregnant. I was pregnant with no1 while working and in college. I didn't want a kid in this situation. Daddy is qualified next year in a career with good employment prospects. I cannot understand why anyone would actively choose to have kids while on the dole and live that life for the rest of their lives. We are scraping by by the skin of our teeth. Xmas will be pathetic and we are doing everything we can to try and get by. Why the hell would anyone bring any child electively into that existence, much less more than 2!

Reekwind

You know what, let's turn this around. Isn't it highly irresponsible for someone who can afford to have children to still be claiming €130 a month per child from the state? Isn't that exactly the sort of gombeen behaviour that we regularly decry in these threads?

Or is this just another snobbish whinge about the perceived excesses of the poor and how they don't deserve the same rights as you and I?

Cookie_Monster

it's irresponsible for anyone to have more than 2 kids in the modern world given the global population, never mind their economic situation.

Stained Class

Sh1tbag OToole wrote: »

The whole system is pretty much set up to make sure working people with wife and kids will always be just scraping by. I dont envy you but at the same time I dontthink there should be a cap on the number of kids you can have just because you're on the dole. Not everyone on the dole is a waster

Sooooo....... Eventually we have a country full of wasters entitled to be entitled....

Paw out for everything.

Grand while it lasts.

Specialun

apollo8 wrote: »

Having read the charter i feel safe iin saying you re a total arsehole

Why so?

apollo8

Reekwind wrote: »

You know what, let's turn this around. Isn't it highly irresponsible for someone who can afford to have children to still be claiming €130 a month per child from the state? Isn't that exactly the sort of gombeen behaviour that we regularly decry in these threads?

Or is this just another snobbish whinge about the perceived excesses of the poor and how they don't deserve the same rights as you and I?

YYay:mad:

Reekwind

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

it's irresponsible for anyone to have more than 2 kids in the modern world given the global population, never mind their economic situation.

If you're under 30 then there's a very good chance that you'll regret those words when you're still working at 75 because there's a lack of young workers paying into your pension fund. Ask Japan how pleasant that looming demographic time bomb is

Renegade Mechanic

At the risk of a backlash....
If you cant feed them, don't breed them. Obviously a large family can happen upon hard times. Theyre not what Im talking about. I mean a couple with a kid who find themselves on the dole. Just... take more care, responsibility even. I wouldnt want to have a child while on the dole. Id much rather ensure the financial means to provide for it beforehand.

wexie

Reekwind wrote: »

If you're under 30 then there's a very good chance that you'll regret those words when you're still working at 75 because there's a lack of young workers paying into your pension fund. Ask Japan how pleasant that looming demographic time bomb is

you're assuming that these kids, raised on the dole, will actually end up working and paying taxes.....

who knows, you might even be right in some cases.

Femme_Fatale

_Redzer_ wrote: »

True, but if that happens 5 times you're seriously taking the piss

Specialun wrote: »

Accidents can happen for 1 or maybe 2 children...but for 3,4 or. 5 kids it would mean their as accident prone as mr bean

Thought Redzer meant people shouldn't have children they can't afford, under any circumstances.

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

At the risk of a backlash....
If you cant feed them, don't breed them. Obviously a large family can happen upon hard times. Theyre not what Im talking about. I mean a couple with a kid who find themselves on the dole. Just... take more care, responsibility even. I wouldnt want to have a child while on the dole. Id much rather ensure the financial means to provide for it beforehand.

But we know that - it's not of any relevance when the children are here though.

Sh1tbag OToole

Stained Class wrote: »

Sooooo....... Eventually we have a country full of wasters entitled to be entitled....

Paw out for everything.

Grand while it lasts.

Wasting is a disease that gets passed down the generations with a 100% success rate?

In a few years all jobs will be done by robots so it doesnt matter too much if it is

Stained Class

Reekwind wrote: »

If you're under 30 then there's a very good chance that you'll regret those words when you're still working at 75 because there's a lack of young workers paying into your pension fund. Ask Japan how pleasant that looming demographic time bomb is

Reekwind. Go home. You're drunk!

Either that, you've never worked for a decent works pay in your life!:mad:

apollo8

Specialun wrote: »

Why so?

Says a lot about your maturity that you would ask

Femme_Fatale

Stained Class wrote: »

Reekwind. Go home. You're drunk!

Either that, you've never worked for a decent works pay in your life!:mad:

How did you come to that conclusion?

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

I've spent short periods on the dole and I have no idea how even a single bloke gets by. I had to decide between paying for groceries, light/heat, mortgage, car loan, credit card. I could probably pick 2 maybe 3 each week.

The last thing I'd ever try and do is raise a family on welfare, it'd be my idea of hell.

StephTomas1

Its just lazy on the parents having children they cant provide for, I know alot of mams who live of the labour with 2-4 kids but wouldn't bother getting a job.. JOKE

apollo8

wexie wrote: »

you're assuming that these kids, raised on the dole, will actually end up working and paying taxes.....

who knows, you might even be right in some cases.

cheap shot

Radiosonde

This thread needs a post about that family down the road who spend their child benefit on a Sky subscription and three foreign holidays a year.

Stained Class

Sh1tbag OToole wrote: »

Wasting is a disease that gets passed down the generations with a 100% success rate?

In a few years all jobs will be done by robots so it doesnt matter too much if it is

They said that 30 years ago & yet we had full employment here 5 years ago.

We just need to play to our own avantages here.

Easy education, English speaking, Tax breaks, etc..