Al Jazeera

Right.

AJs Liveonsat is a great resource.

No argument.

But when people (in this instance me) throw doubt on whether matches will appear on certain channels, could people (in this instance STB) not throw them forward as some sort of "well LJs have listed it so it must be true" type resource?

Please?

For a million good reasons people doubted these matches would appear on Hotbird. The stock answer seemed to be "but LJs have listed it at Hotbird". As I've highlighted from earlier this season, it's silly to do that.

Lesson learned?

And I'm pissed I was wrong but not in the slightest bit surprised.

Nowso wrote: »

it was listed on the al jazeera website that it would be

Not necessarily. I wouldn't be surprised if the games were indeed shown on those channels in the Middle East. Probably just Hotbird that was different

STB wrote: »

I said nothing of the sort. What I did say was



Seriously, what is wrong with you ? Take your self righteous shít elsewhere mate.

In the middle of a discussion debating whether the matches would be shown on Hotbird following them being listed on the mentioned channels on Al Jazeera's website you posted (as if it would end the discussion presumably?)

Both Listed on Liveonsat as being on 13.

We were all aware of that so what was your point if it wasn't what I seemed to have misunderstood it to be? And if I did misunderstand it I'm happy to apologise.

But, as in the past, if you have a problem discussing something without being abusive, might it be better for you not to discuss it at all?

STB wrote: »

Take your self righteous shít elsewhere mate.

STB wrote: »

Neither are you running this board.

Presumably, based on that previous quote, you think you are :rolleyes:

Oh, sorry, despite you doing a lot of second-guessing of me (moral high ground? What the hell are you on about?) I've been told not to do it with you (I did use the word "presumably" in the quote you brought up - you do know what that means, don't you?!

So, all you needed to say is you didn't mean it that way, this is generally the way message-boards work - and you're accusing me of being childish!

Hypocrisy, mate.

And you know the exact thread I'm referring to in referring to your abusive nature but I'd like you to do me a favour and highlight where I've been abusive...

It wasn't on Hotbird. As I've said I am very pissed about being right but I was (only the second time I've mentioned it you know; you can't count either!).

I do think it is you that needs to let stuff go, mate.

Over and out.

mightybashful wrote: »

This. Just as they started showing Scottish football again

Piracy is not the true reason they stopped showing the 3pm matches ,pretty weak excuse .

Zardoz wrote: »

Piracy is not the true reason they stopped showing the 3pm matches ,pretty weak excuse .

Yeah, I do not get this piracy reason either. If it is piracy would not Setanta be stopped too?

I just do not get it. Al azeera paid for the rights to show the matches and now they are not being allowed to show them; I just do not understand.

radiowaves wrote: »

Where and by how much is Setanta pirated?

Hi,

I have no idea.

What I mean is, if they are saying that Al Jazeera can not broadcast 3pm games because they are pirated (I have no idea how they are pirated) then whoever is doing this pirating can just pirate other stations showing 3pm games. So why are some stations like Setanta not stopped from showing the 3pm games.

Regards

radiowaves wrote: »

Setanta show just one game. So do most other providers.

Jazeera used to show all the 3pms (and all the other matches too).

There was/is no point in pirating Setanta when other providers were able to give you the same game - and so many more at 3pm and beyond (and in HD!).

Publicans all over England are/were using satellite and IPTV services that use Jazeera's signal. Jazeera do not secure their cards to a receiver so in the Premier League's eyes they were not doing enough to combat the piracy.

Others are pirated too but only in pockets because they only had 1 3pm - Jazeera were the biggest show in town, they had all the games.

Mind you, what do I know (apart from what Jazeera themselves have press released)?

We're still waiting for Zardoz to enlighten us to what was the true reason. He obviously knows more than the actual people involved in negotiations with the Premier League!

Maybe you have hit the nail on the head there, as in, they are being pirated through their IPTV service.

mightybashful wrote: »

Will this stop IPTV though?

I don't think it would stop it but most likely it would make it more expensive. Rather than one subscription, the iptv provider would need about 7 subscriptions to al jaz.

Zardoz wrote: »

Most of these pubs you mention are paying for legitimate subscriptions via satellite or via Al Jazeera's official online streaming service.
Paying for a service is not piracy.

Pairing a card to a set top box will not stop this ,people will just buy the set top box and paired card and continue to show the service.
How will they stop their iptv service being shown in the UK ??

The real mesaage of the notice on Al Jazeera is translated as 'in order for the FAPL to continue to run their cartel in the UK, they now hold other countries TV providers to ransom by only allowing them a very limited number of Saturday 3PM games, thus ensuring that their already overpriced UK market will continue to be ripped off in the future, we thank you for your support'

The fact that a payment has been made does not exclude a buyer from their legal obligations.

Sky and BT are licensed exclusively to broadcast copyrighted Premier League material in public places in the UK. Use of any other service to do so is piracy, whether using official subscription cards or not. Not to mention breaking terms and conditions. And you must be aware of the situation regarding JSC's website?

Besides, the official receivers will very likely have far less sensitive tuners than the receivers in use now, that's even if the channels remain on beams receivable in the UK.

In the eyes of the Premier League JSC are not doing enough to combat piracy of their signals, by pairing cards to official receivers they would presumably be seen to be doing all they can to stop it. We'll have to wait and see if this will be enough to satisfy the Premier Leagur.

Zardoz wrote: »

The Premier league were well aware of Al Jazeera's settop box and popularity pan Europe when they awarded them the rights earlier this year.
They were quick to accept the $360m that Al Jazeera bid because it was by far the highest offer on the table.
The Premier League wanted their cake and eat it too.

They are quick to take the cash but then decide to block rights afterwards if it doesnt suit them but expect their legitimate subscribers to keep paying top dollar for a reduced service.
Imagine Sky started blocking Super Sundays over here because of so called piracy ,people wouldn't be long complaining.

You've got some sort of bee in your bonnet about the Premier League that is leading you to make some really ridiculous points to be honest.

I'm not sure why any provider should be denied buying rights because they're popular??? Jaysus, the bastards actually bid a lot of money!!!

As for the Super Sunday comment, you are actually aware that Sky rightfully broadcast their Premier League coverage into Ireland, aren't you?

Zardoz wrote: »

As Al Jazeera rightfully broadcast into the Middle East

The issue is not where Jazeera Sports broadcast to. Pirated signals originating from Jazeera Sports are being used in public houses in the UK and, so the claim goes, their availability is affecting attendances in the Premier League, Football League and non-league - that's why they are being asked to temporarily cease broadcasting all but one of the 3pms. Other time-slots, including the "Super Sunday" one, have not been stopped. So, if you still can't see why your Super Sunday comment was ridiculous there's no point in debating it further.

I am on record on this forum as stating that I believe they are approaching the perceived problem wrong, but the fact of the matter is, there is a belief that broadcasting football at 3pm in England adversely affects attendances (and participation in the sport). And because Jazeera haven't paired cards to receivers they have been punished.

Deleted User wrote: »

If they seriously believe people from the UK watching foreign sat is affecting attendances in the Premier League, I love to see if the attendances go up now its restricted to just 1 match!

As would I.

But it's not just the Premier League.

The Premier League clubs also believe that even one televised match affects attendances. There were many complaints from clubs earlier this season about the fact that on both St Stephen's Day & New Year's Day there will be a UK televised match at 3pm. Neither day is a Saturday, of course, but even though TV coverage is relatively new to these particular days the slots for live coverage have usually been away from the traditional 3pm kick-off time.

As attendance at football matches is based on many factors I'm not sure that any drop in attendance could be proved to be because of live TV coverage.

Indeed, as I've said before, boats and planes leaving this country heading for England are packed on Friday nights and Saturday mornings. In most cases the throngs are heading to actual matches that will be televised but even if that wasn't the case, the availability of up to 6 live matches doesn't put these people off.

Other countries from around Europe, also with good TV coverage (and up to a couple of years ago every match was televised!) are well-represented at football grounds in England.

The argument that an English person prefers to sit at home instead of making a (say) 15 minute journey to a ground seems ridiculous when you consider the journeys Irish and continental supporters make, but for whatever reason, the belief persists that attendances are influenced by the availability, or otherwise, of live televised football.

radiowaves wrote: »

As would I.

But it's not just the Premier League.

The Premier League clubs also believe that even one televised match affects attendances. There were many complaints from clubs earlier this season about the fact that on both St Stephen's Day & New Year's Day there will be a UK televised match at 3pm. Neither day is a Saturday, of course, but even though TV coverage is relatively new to these particular days the slots for live coverage have usually been away from the traditional 3pm kick-off time.

As attendance at football matches is based on many factors I'm not sure that any drop in attendance could be proved to be because of live TV coverage.

Indeed, as I've said before, boats and planes leaving this country heading for England are packed on Friday nights and Saturday mornings. In most cases the throngs are heading to actual matches that will be televised but even if that wasn't the case, the availability of up to 6 live matches doesn't put these people off.

Other countries from around Europe, also with good TV coverage (and up to a couple of years ago every match was televised!) are well-represented at football grounds in England.

The argument that an English person prefers to sit at home instead of making a (say) 15 minute journey to a ground seems ridiculous when you consider the journeys Irish and continental supporters make, but for whatever reason, the belief persists that attendances are influenced by the availability, or otherwise, of live televised football.

Actually both those days have always had televised fixtures going back to the start of the premiership if my memory serves me right. You are correct though, the games were always later (5pm or so).