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Speed cameras in Ireland - a guide

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    #212
    ironclaw
    Registered Users Posts: 8,004 ✭✭✭ironclaw


    mikeecho wrote: »
    what specs do you have for the camera system ? or are you regurgitating what others have said and making the rest up ?

    For the record, I don't regurgitate. I only post what I know to be fact. I've probably come up against every police threat known to man.

    As regards the above,its personal experience and hard fact. Its not exactly military spec or classified info. Its just a camera that has a very quick reacting iris and white balance. They are publicly available. So irregardless of lighting conditions it can get a perfect snap shot. The example I was shown was multiple passes with dips, heads, fogs, sudden heads, sudden dips etc. Snapped every time. Used for ANPR as well. If you search hard enough, the manufacturer has a video on YouTube.

    You also have to remember the camera is day and night, so that adds a level of complexity in terms of filters etc.


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    #213
    JMSE
    Registered Users Posts: 902 ✭✭✭JMSE


    flazio wrote: »
    The official reason is because somebody died there.

    when?


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    #214
    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    JMSE wrote: »
    I see they've created a new zone on the N22 between Glenflesk and Killarney for the gosafes to operate. Humbug to that, I enjoyed manys an evening cruising through the hills to Ballyvourney happy in the knowledge that it was just the boys in blue I had to worry about. Why the new zone I wonder??



    The RSA's road collisions map shows three fatal crashes on the N22 in that general area.

    Personally I think it is irrational to wait until people die before considering speed surveillance in any location, but that's the politics of Irish traffic law enforcement for you.


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    #215
    topcat31
    Registered Users Posts: 2 ✭topcat31


    was caught doing 39km on Eden Quay in Dublin which is a 30km zone .was caught by a go safe van but when i looked up the garda website Eden Quay is not listed on the map for go safe camera locations .is there anything i can do


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    #216
    ironclaw
    Registered Users Posts: 8,004 ✭✭✭ironclaw


    topcat31 wrote: »
    was caught doing 39km on Eden Quay in Dublin which is a 30km zone .was caught by a go safe van but when i looked up the garda website Eden Quay is not listed on the map for go safe camera locations .is there anything i can do

    You weren't caught by a GoSafe van. Unless the GoSafe van is in a GoSafe zone as listed by the Garda website, it cannot issue a fine.

    You were caught by a Garda van. They can appear on any road in the country, at any time and issue a fine.

    Can people please take a moment to realise the difference between a Garda van and a GoSafe van?

    Also at 39km/h true speed, your speedo would have been showing closer to ~45km/h. You would have known your were well over the limit. Apologises for the harshness but as a person who has the utmost hatred for the vans I have no sympathy, its a well marked 'dead slow' zone which isn't very long.


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    #217
    topcat31
    Registered Users Posts: 2 ✭topcat31


    it was a go safe van i saw it too late hands up i was caught speeding but the location was not marked on the garda list of locations.if you look it up eden quay is not of of the locations


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    #218
    ironclaw
    Registered Users Posts: 8,004 ✭✭✭ironclaw


    topcat31 wrote: »
    it was a go safe van i saw it too late hands up i was caught speeding but the location was not marked on the garda list of locations.if you look it up eden quay is not of of the locations

    It was not a GoSafe van if it was on Eden Quay and gave you a fine. It was a Garda van. They live there and they are allowed issue fines. Zones only apply to GoSafe.

    Look at my post here: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=83936423&postcount=7

    If you are categorically sure it was a GoSafe van i.e. Had all the markings and trimmings, and looks like one in the photos marked 'GoSafe that can issue fines' you might have a case. But I sincerely doubt it. I'd wager your legal costs it wasn't a GoSafe van. They cannot process fines for images outside their zones. Note as well, they have more zones now:

    http://www.garda.ie/gosafe.htm

    Please carefully read the difference between a Garda van and a GoSafe van.


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    #219
    nacimroc
    Registered Users Posts: 518 ✭✭✭nacimroc


    I heard the RSA announce a few weeks ago they no longer only operate in areas where people died. They added 700 new locations of their own choosing.


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    #220
    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    About time.


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    #221
    bbuzz
    Registered Users Posts: 205 ✭✭bbuzz


    With the new locations, do they have to have the speed camera signs up before they can start catching people? Or are the sign "optional"?

    They added part of the N11 in Stillorgan and a sign has been installed just before Priory Avenue (going south), but there's two junctions between the sign and where they generally park up (at St John of Gods). Bit unfair to people who join the dual-carriageway after the speed camera sign, but before the actual speed camera. Also haven't seen any on the northbound side.


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    #222
    ironclaw
    Registered Users Posts: 8,004 ✭✭✭ironclaw


    bbuzz wrote: »
    With the new locations, do they have to have the speed camera signs up before they can start catching people? Or are the sign "optional"?

    They added part of the N11 in Stillorgan and a sign has been installed just before Priory Avenue (going south), but there's two junctions between the sign and where they generally park up (at St John of Gods). Bit unfair to people who join the dual-carriageway after the speed camera sign, but before the actual speed camera. Also haven't seen any on the northbound side.

    They can appear anywhere between the signs, not just 'exactly' where the signs are. The zones have only been designated recently so I'd imagine the signs are still being put up. For instance, the N11 from Fassaroe to Glen of the Downs is a new zone but no signs are currently in place.

    However, if you take that as an example, there is no where for a van to safely park before Kilmacanogue. The usual pencil pusher in an office with a highlighter with no local knowledge. Its very easy to guess where these vans will be if you have any knowledge of the locality.

    As for the Foxrock / Stillorgan section the Gardai / Garda van live there anyway so I never push more than the limit anyway. No sympathy for anyone caught along there.


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    #223
    bbuzz
    Registered Users Posts: 205 ✭✭bbuzz


    ironclaw wrote: »
    They can appear anywhere between the signs, not just 'exactly' where the signs are. The zones have only been designated recently so I'd imagine the signs are still being put up. For instance, the N11 from Fassaroe to Glen of the Downs is a new zone but no signs are currently in place.

    However, if you take that as an example, there is no where for a van to safely park before Kilmacanogue. The usual pencil pusher in an office with a highlighter with no local knowledge. Its very easy to guess where these vans will be if you have any knowledge of the locality.

    As for the Foxrock / Stillorgan section the Gardai / Garda van live there anyway so I never push more than the limit anyway. No sympathy for anyone caught along there.

    I realise that they can appear anywhere in the speed camera zone, my point was that there's nothing to tell people who join the dual carriageway after the sign that they are entering a speed camera zone


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    #224
    ironclaw
    Registered Users Posts: 8,004 ✭✭✭ironclaw


    bbuzz wrote: »
    I realise that they can appear anywhere in the speed camera zone, my point was that there's nothing to tell people who join the dual carriageway after the sign that they are entering a speed camera zone

    True actually. Way too many signs / cost I'd imagine is probably the answer to that.


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    #225
    ohyesthefinest
    Registered Users Posts: 235 ✭✭ohyesthefinest


    I passed a Garda Van (not traffic corp) which had a camera looking yoke on the dashboard just above the steering wheel. I am wondering can this calculate speed as I was roughly going 80 in a 80 zone. Cheers


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    #226
    ohyesthefinest
    Registered Users Posts: 235 ✭✭ohyesthefinest


    The Van was moving by the way.


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    #227
    ironclaw
    Registered Users Posts: 8,004 ✭✭✭ironclaw


    ohyesthefinest wrote: »
    I passed a Garda Van (not traffic corp) which had a camera looking yoke on the dashboard just above the steering wheel. I am wondering can this calculate speed as I was roughly going 80 in a 80 zone. Cheers

    A Garda Transit van? Be more specific. There are Garda Jeeps with ANPR.

    And in all cases camera vans don't prosecute or operate for speed whilst moving.


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    #228
    ohyesthefinest
    Registered Users Posts: 235 ✭✭ohyesthefinest


    Yep, a Garda transit van. So in other words I have nothing to worry about?


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    #229
    ironclaw
    Registered Users Posts: 8,004 ✭✭✭ironclaw


    ohyesthefinest wrote: »
    Yep, a Garda transit van. So in other words I have nothing to worry about?

    Your fine :)


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    #230
    Padkir
    Registered Users Posts: 1,289 ✭✭✭Padkir


    ironclaw wrote: »
    Your fine :)

    "Your fine" might be in the post...

    However, you're fine! :D

    Got I hate grammar nazi me when I've been drinking! :p


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    #231
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,779 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Okay driving along the Blackrock bypass heading into town and there was a garda car parked in the small slip lane where buses pull in on the opposite side of the road to the garda station. There was no garda present but there was a small box that looked like a camera pointing out the back window of the car. Im pretty sure i was at least 5kph over the speed limit so should i be worried or was it nothing?


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    #232
    AltAccount
    Registered Users Posts: 2,058 ✭✭✭AltAccount


    If it was the size of a cigarette box or so, it was ANPR and tax/insurance/stolen car-related


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    #233
    Ofiann
    Registered Users Posts: 1 ✭Ofiann


    Hi folks, today i passed a speed cam between oldcastle and virginia, ot was around half way, i was doing 80km, but i am not sure what speed limit was. maybe some1 can help me? about 4 miles after the speed van i did see a sign that said 80km but i couldn't spot it again on google map!


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    #234
    DanWall
    Registered Users Posts: 509 ✭✭✭DanWall


    I was always interested in the long term accuracy of these speed cameras, if the are catching people for small amounts over the limit. From a calibration point of view it must be at least 4 times better than the recorded figure (this is standard industrial practice) eg. if they say you are doing 4kph over the camera must be better than 1kmph accurate.


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    #235
    ironclaw
    Registered Users Posts: 8,004 ✭✭✭ironclaw


    DanWall wrote: »
    I was always interested in the long term accuracy of these speed cameras, if the are catching people for small amounts over the limit. From a calibration point of view it must be at least 4 times better than the recorded figure (this is standard industrial practice) eg. if they say you are doing 4kph over the camera must be better than 1kmph accurate.

    Accuracy apparently is +/- 1.5km/h. At a minimum, its +/- 3km/h. At least that was the old spec I read.

    But look at it this way, your car speedo is normally over reading by between 5 to 10%. So at 60km/h on your speedo, your probably doing anywhere between 57km/h and 54km/h in reality.

    So, if a camera snaps you at 62km/h, your speedo will be (most likely) reading higher than 65km/h. So you know you are speeding. You know you are well over.

    Anyway, Irish law states there is no requirement for the unit to be calibrated or for them to prove the unit is accurate or even in full working order.


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    #236
    D_murph
    Registered Users Posts: 773 ✭✭✭D_murph


    ironclaw wrote: »
    Accuracy apparently is +/- 1.5km/h. At a minimum, its +/- 3km/h. At least that was the old spec I read.

    But look at it this way, your car speedo is normally over reading by between 5 to 10%. So at 60km/h on your speedo, your probably doing anywhere between 57km/h and 54km/h in reality.

    So, if a camera snaps you at 62km/h, your speedo will be (most likely) reading higher than 65km/h. So you know you are speeding. You know you are well over.

    Anyway, Irish law states there is no requirement for the unit to be calibrated or for them to prove the unit is accurate or even in full working order.

    That last part is a disgrace on its own. The equipment could be faulty but the drivers that it wrongfully takes pictures of will have no comeback.
    They really want our money bad :rolleyes:.


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    #237
    DanWall
    Registered Users Posts: 509 ✭✭✭DanWall


    Yes the speedo is always reading positive and it also depends on the wear on the tyres. I use my Sat Nav which is about 5kph less than the speedo and is more accurate according to Garmin.
    If it was a factory they would have to follow these guidelines for ISO 9000 etc.
    There is a large amount of uncertainty when they are doing people for small amounts such as 5 kph


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    #238
    D_murph
    Registered Users Posts: 773 ✭✭✭D_murph


    My point is that it is a disgrace that they do not have to calibrate the equipment at all to validate prosecutions.

    The same old speed guns (that have most likely been dropped a few times throughout their time and/or are several years old, are still being used to fine motorists that may well have been innocent but there is no way for them to have a comeback due to this flawed part of the law.

    Guilty until proven innocent if the offence is small enough, it seems :rolleyes:


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    #239
    keithclancy
    Registered Users Posts: 9,222 ✭✭✭keithclancy


    D_murph wrote: »
    My point is that it is a disgrace that they do not have to calibrate the equipment at all to validate prosecutions.

    The same old speed guns (that have most likely been dropped a few times throughout their time and/or are several years old, are still being used to fine motorists that may well have been innocent but there is no way for them to have a comeback due to this flawed part of the law.

    Guilty until proven innocent if the offence is small enough, it seems :rolleyes:

    Meh could also work in your favor ... they don't automatically read everything as faster when they are defective :)

    At least its not like the US, where in some parts its enough for the copy to just say in his opinion you were driving too fast ;P


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    #240
    Iwannahurl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,156 ✭✭✭Iwannahurl


    DanWall wrote: »
    There is a large amount of uncertainty when they are doing people for small amounts such as 5 kph




    How many motorists are being done for "small amounts such as 5 kph"?

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=87168415


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    #241
    D_murph
    Registered Users Posts: 773 ✭✭✭D_murph


    keithclancy wrote: »
    Meh could also work in your favor ... they don't automatically read everything as faster when they are defective :)

    At least its not like the US, where in some parts its enough for the copy to just say in his opinion you were driving too fast ;P

    Not guaranteed to read your speed as faster, no but they actually can do it and have done in the past. It has something to do with reflections from other cars nearby etc. A guy in the UK (Professor Clarke I think it was) was able to get prove it a few years ago. No links cos Im doing this on my phone but it can be googled for if you want :).

    Cops here can just say you were driving too fast for conditions or dangerously also ;).


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