ESB vote to strike over gold plated pensions as winter arrives

tayto lover · 20-11-2013 10:40PM

hansfrei wrote: »

Balls? Yes I has balls. No, I wouldn't inflict a powercut on old people in winter. No I wouldn't bail out a pension company who fvcked up. Sue them, have them thrown in the clinker. Sack them at least.

That's just what the big boss man is hoping for.
Someone has to make a stance is this wee country before we're all fcuked.

Skylinehead · 20-11-2013 10:41PM

tayto lover wrote: »

That's just what the big boss man is hoping for.
Someone has to make a stance is this wee country before we're all fcuked.

Go on strike and we're all fcuked. I believe they have a legitimate grievance, but this isn't the way to go about it.

P_1 · 20-11-2013 10:42PM

tayto lover wrote: »

That's just what the big boss man is hoping for.
Someone has to make a stance is this wee country before we're all fcuked.

And how, pray tell, is shooting yourself in the foot by cutting off people's electricity, people who by the way have done sweet fcuk all to cause the original problem, taking a stance?

btard · 20-11-2013 10:42PM

baddebt wrote: »

in 2010 pension agreement within ESB the board of mgmt , agreed that this €591m (from the sale of power stations) would be put into the pension pot , with the ESB workers agreeing to what is know as a career averge pension (ie your final pension is based on your average wage of your lifetime in the company , rather than based on your final salary which was normal) ,

now mgmt (after ring fencing ans securing their own pensions) have done a u-turn on the rest of us (by manipulating the books in order to get a credit rating to enable them borrow billions on the markets) ,

any employee in ESB prior to 1995 is not entitled to ANY STATE pension (because of a deal then done between Gov and ESB)

I'm here almost 10 years , have put 18,000 into my pension (a compulsory pension ,...i did not want to join , but had no option) ,
now take some who has 40 years service , gave their life to the company only to find , now , after pumping in 72000 into there pension( i'm basing that on my contribution) , now they find they are retiring tomorrow ....no pension , no state pension .
SOUND FAIR ? I THINK NOT .
for the record my earnings are €32k pa , no bonus's , no perks , no expenses no extras.

Your case is righteous, but that is not the reason you will win. The public don't give a flying **** about what's fair or righteous unless it affects themselves. Most of them have been taking it up the arse for so long they will begudge anyone who has the nouse or power to fight back. No...you will win because your union leader is the best in the business. I will stock up on candles and coal. I look forward to your victory. Good luck

tayto lover · 20-11-2013 10:42PM

hansfrei wrote: »

Thats a horrible comment and I'm surprised at you.

I have no other means of cooking it if there's a strike.
How is it horrible exactly if it's a joke FFS? Mike got it.

Busted Flat. · 20-11-2013 10:42PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Is he not sent out by his big boss?

Vhat ze the decision made at the Nuremberg trials, I vas only following ze orders.

Ace2007 · 20-11-2013 10:43PM

tayto lover wrote: »

There you go.
Take your time reading.

http://www.pensionsombudsman.ie/cms/sites/default/files/understanding.pdf

By the way who is at fault here the company or the workers?

keep posting links, instead of giving your understanding of how it all works. When you give your understanding of it all, I'll respond to you.

I'll give you a clue, the company as you keep calling it, are separate to the trustees which look after the contributions. In fact if you or any employee bothers to look at the TAR, you'll see there are a whole host of people involve in the process and not just the "company".

But please continue to support the strike. Has nothing to do with the government or the public yet they want to threaten action against them.

tayto lover · 20-11-2013 10:44PM

P_1 wrote: »

And how, pray tell, is shooting yourself in the foot by cutting off people's electricity, people who by the way have done sweet fcuk all to cause the original problem, taking a stance?

It's their best shot at getting what they want though.
It seems to be heading towards a game of chicken between both parties.

hansfrei · 20-11-2013 10:45PM

tayto lover wrote: »

That's just what the big boss man is hoping for.
Someone has to make a stance is this wee country before we're all fcuked.

He's your boss man. Appointed by the board of the ESB. Internal dispute is internal. It has NOTHING to do with me or the government. A strike will effect me and my job, the elderly and your customers not the people you're employing to handle your pension.

tayto lover · 20-11-2013 10:46PM

P_1 wrote: »

And how, pray tell, is shooting yourself in the foot by cutting off people's electricity, people who by the way have done sweet fcuk all to cause the original problem, taking a stance?

They are obviously hoping that the company will back down.
The company will also lose revenue too if the strike goes ahead.

tayto lover · 20-11-2013 10:47PM

hansfrei wrote: »

He's your boss man. Appointed by the board of the ESB. Internal dispute is internal. It has NOTHING to do with me or the government. A strike will effect me and my job, the elderly and your customers not the people you're employing to handle your pension.

A teachers strike will also effect workers who would have to stay home and mind kids. It's the weapon they use. If nobody was effected then a strike would be useless.

P_1 · 20-11-2013 10:47PM

tayto lover wrote: »

They are obviously hoping that the company will back down.
The company will also lose revenue too if the strike goes ahead.

True, I can see the merits in such a tactic. It is a fcuking disgusting tactic in my eyes though

Busted Flat. · 20-11-2013 10:47PM

Jett Nervous Pen wrote: »

The ESB is not in the public sector, the money they pay on wages or discounts they allow is not public money.

But it is the ordinary person that is held to ransom, when the baby cries give him more money, who pays, we do. Who has control of our lighting cooking and heating the overpaid children in the ESB. If you upset them they will throw their toys out of the pram.

Gumbo · 20-11-2013 10:48PM

Busted Flat. wrote: »

The ESB person goes out to cut your electricty supply to a family because of lack of money due to loss of job, is getting his electricity at less than half the price than the family he is cutting off. Jaysus it makes you wonder did Nidge take the wrong career approach.

No they are not. You are mis reading the I do article.

tayto lover · 20-11-2013 10:49PM

hansfrei wrote: »

He's your boss man. Appointed by the board of the ESB. Internal dispute is internal. It has NOTHING to do with me or the government. A strike will effect me and my job, the elderly and your customers not the people you're employing to handle your pension.

Ah I'm not an ESB worker. I do support their stance.

P_1 · 20-11-2013 10:50PM

I actually wonder if it might be worthwhile breaking up the monopoly that ESB currently has over the distribution of electricity in this country in light of the threat that a strike has

Ace2007 · 20-11-2013 10:51PM

baddebt wrote: »

in 2010 pension agreement within ESB the board of mgmt , agreed that this €591m (from the sale of power stations) would be put into the pension pot , with the ESB workers agreeing to what is know as a career averge pension (ie your final pension is based on your average wage of your lifetime in the company , rather than based on your final salary which was normal) ,

now mgmt (after ring fencing ans securing their own pensions) have done a u-turn on the rest of us (by manipulating the books in order to get a credit rating to enable them borrow billions on the markets) ,

any employee in ESB prior to 1995 is not entitled to ANY STATE pension (because of a deal then done between Gov and ESB)

I'm here almost 10 years , have put 18,000 into my pension (a compulsory pension ,...i did not want to join , but had no option) ,
now take some who has 40 years service , gave their life to the company only to find , now , after pumping in 72000 into there pension( i'm basing that on my contribution) , now they find they are retiring tomorrow ....no pension , no state pension .
SOUND FAIR ? I THINK NOT .
for the record my earnings are €32k pa , no bonus's , no perks , no expenses no extras.

auditor's sign off on accounts, so for you to say they manipulating the books is not true, if accounting practise allow it, then that is the fault of the laws, not of the company.

Regarding the state pension - there are other companies where this applies and not solely to ESB. Also to say it was done between ESB and the government is again not true, what you see as ESB and who did the deal are different.

I agree with you that it's not fair, but why is the threat their now, why did you as employees not take legal action in 2010 when the initial deal was done, in 2010 there was a 2billion deficit, the ESB agreed to put in 570, which would leave 1.5 deficit. As an employee how did you expect this deficit to be filled? You must know the answers to this, otherwise you would have taken action 3 years ago?

hansfrei · 20-11-2013 10:59PM

tayto lover wrote: »

A teachers strike will also effect workers who would have to stay home and mind kids. It's the weapon they use. If nobody was effected then a strike would be useless.

I'm aware its a tactic they use. I'll counter it in any way I can. It's me and my family they're effecting. Not someone employed by ESB and protected by ESBs unions.

They won't care if my job goes to Asia because of a strike. They won't care if my elderly parents die in the cold.

Unions weren't designed to fvck peoples lives up.

tayto lover · 20-11-2013 11:06PM

hansfrei wrote: »

I'm aware its a tactic they use. I'll counter it in any way I can. It's me and my family they're effecting. Not someone employed by ESB and protected by ESBs unions.

They won't care if my job goes to Asia because of a strike. They won't care if my elderly parents die in the cold.

Unions weren't designed to fvck peoples lives up.

A strike will effect us all. That is it's purpose.
Everyone depends on electricity.
They have a strong weapon.
However the right of workers in this country are being eroded weekly. Someone has to call a halt. I worked in places that had no union years ago and the conditions were Hell. No rights whatsoever.

Frankie5Angels · 20-11-2013 11:07PM

hansfrei wrote: »

I'm aware its a tactic they use. I'll counter it in any way I can. It's me and my family they're effecting. Not someone employed by ESB and protected by ESBs unions.

They won't care if my job goes to Asia because of a strike. They won't care if my elderly parents die in the cold.

Unions weren't designed to fvck peoples lives up.

But it's not just you or the general public - any action WILL affect ESB employees, their families, their elderly parents too. If the lights go out, they go out everywhere - not just on non-ESB homes.

periodictable · 20-11-2013 11:07PM

we need this attitude towards the public sector

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paF5tEaqcVQ

hansfrei · 20-11-2013 11:09PM

tayto lover wrote: »

A strike will effect us all. That is it's purpose.
Everyone depends on electricity.
They have a strong weapon.
However the right of workers in this country are being eroded weekly. Someone has to call a halt. I worked in places that had no union years ago and the conditions were Hell. No rights whatsoever.

Well heres your brother.

This ain't the good fight you think it is.

tayto lover · 20-11-2013 11:10PM

periodictable wrote: »

we need this attitude towards the public sector

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paF5tEaqcVQ

You need a life.

Skylinehead · 20-11-2013 11:10PM

tayto lover wrote: »

A strike will effect us all. That is it's purpose.
Everyone depends on electricity.
They have a strong weapon.
However the right of workers in this country are being eroded weekly. Someone has to call a halt. I worked in places that had no union years ago and the conditions were Hell. No rights whatsoever.

The vast majority of us get on perfectly fine without unions, conditions aren't hell, and we all get the same rights.

Gumbo · 20-11-2013 11:13PM

periodictable wrote: »

we need this attitude towards the public sector

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paF5tEaqcVQ

What has the public sector got to do with this thread?

hansfrei · 20-11-2013 11:14PM

Frankie5Angels wrote: »

But it's not just you or the general public - any action WILL affect ESB employees, their families, their elderly parents too. If the lights go out, they go out everywhere - not just on non-ESB homes.

Two things.

Its your pension company causing this. Employed by and for the ESB.

This is a legal matter between you and the people you employ to look after your pension. If my pension provider screws me over ( and they might) I wont blame anyone else but them.

homerjay2005 · 20-11-2013 11:16PM

Skylinehead wrote: »

The vast majority of us get on perfectly fine without unions, conditions aren't hell, and we all get the same rights.

my problem with the Unions, is that the majority of people who have them are the ones who dont need them.

its the people struggling in s*it conditions on minimum wage (or below it) that deserve them, not some overpaid jokers on 50K+ who are as productive as a chocolate tea pot when it suits them.

BZ7 · 20-11-2013 11:26PM

Hey ESB! Yeah you! The electricty supply board! Yeah! You! ESB!

Your beef is with the gubberment! Not me! Not us! We're just simple folk trying to get along in life, trying to cook food for our families. Trying to keep warm. It's cold out there.

Simple folk with simple ways we are. Just trying to get along.

20-11-2013 11:29PM

Busted Flat. wrote: »

But it is the ordinary person that is held to ransom, when the baby cries give him more money, who pays, we do. Who has control of our lighting cooking and heating the overpaid children in the ESB. If you upset them they will throw their toys out of the pram.

What exactly qualifies you to decide that they are overpaid?

Its another favourite pastime of a lot of AH posters deciding who is overpaid just because it's more than they earn.

periodictable · 20-11-2013 11:57PM

tayto lover wrote: »

You need a life.

I have one...this just for you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrlFyiudvs4

ESB vote to strike over gold plated pensions as winter arrives

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